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Don Gato
Apr 28, 2013

Actually a bipedal cat.

Grimey Drawer

Saagonsa posted:

We got SMTxFE, we'll get SMT5

Moreso than FF7remake coming out, that was the biggest shock of something I never actually expected would exist.

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Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010

Like a bull in a china shop.

Well, if the bull owned the china shop.


Also, didn't it take several years for us to get any information about Persona 5 after its very first teaser?

Wrex Ruckus
Aug 24, 2015

Rich people sure are different.


Grimey Drawer

social media was a mistake






Originally published by Atlus for the Sega Saturn in 1997,

ZenMasterBullshit
Nov 2, 2011

Ziggy Hero!
Ziggy! Save! Everyone!


Take Over's music is pretty good but lyrically it's probably one of the lower quality fight songs. I do appreciate that it's kind of a 180 degree change in attitude from Last Surprise befitting the game calling itself Royal. It fits the Post Casino Squad way more.

But Reach Out To the Truth and Mass Destruction still the best

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

He will know I am near when he hears the screams of my enemies.

Honestly I just appreciate that P5's lyrics actually make some sort of sense. Just reading the lyrics for Reach Out to the Truth is baffling:

Now I face up, I make head
I bleach out cock and bull of this globe
Thinking and seeing on the whole moment Now It's on

Saagonsa
Dec 29, 2012



Grimey Drawer

As purely just a battle theme I do have to admit that Take Over is extremely powerful. Still like Wiping All Out more personally though

Polderjoch
Jun 27, 2019


I like Last Surprise way more than Take Over. Reach Out For the Truth and Time to Make History are both nice but I prefer the latter because the former grates on me pretty easily.

Mass Destruction is the best, Wiping All Out a close second.

ZenMasterBullshit
Nov 2, 2011

Ziggy Hero!
Ziggy! Save! Everyone!


I will say, the Royal changes to the Okuumura Boss fight are so utterly pointless . They added Cognitive Haru to the boss fight (even if that makes the earlier scene make less sense), solely to give Okumura more press turns before you easily wipe the board because baton pass is incredibly strong in this game. Oh they've also got a phase where they becomes a robot but you just have to burn through their HP in 2 turns or survive their self destruct which maybe 70% of your max HP. It just felt like extra padding to a boss fight that was already full of it. Especially since AoE buffs in this game have such long animations and he loves to cast them it was just running out the clock, but not in a meaningful way, I still finished the fight with 17 minutes to spare.

Andrigaar
Dec 12, 2003
Saint of Killers


PMush Perfect posted:

There are more if you maxed Aeon and talked to Margaret about finding out where Marie went. If you do, you'll unlock a third semester, and a preeetty rough dungeon.

Interesting in hearing your thoughts after Valentine's Day, if you get there.

Aeon was maxed as the third girlfriend, and I should have just finished the normal ending requirement 11 days before XMas. Due to the immediate time skip I sort of wish I'd waited a few days longer and tried to get farther in Death's SLink while reading my last few books at night.
Saved at the prompt, but it went to a long VN sequence so I alt+f4'd out. Too tired to watch more teen drama.

Since Golden ending is at least pathed to, I'll try to remember to report back when I get around to whatever happens in that spoiler text.

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010

Like a bull in a china shop.

Well, if the bull owned the china shop.


Saagonsa posted:

As purely just a battle theme I do have to admit that Take Over is extremely powerful. Still like Wiping All Out more personally though

Wiping All Out is fantastic not just as music, but as specifically a normal encounter theme. Something that Reach Out To The Truth and (especially) Mass Destruction fumble is that, because this song is gonna be playing approximately a million times over a hundred+ hour game, and it's going to play from the top every single time, that opener has to stand a lot of play.

Wiping All Out is the first one that really figures that one out. Time To Make History understands it, too, even if I don't really like it as much. And Last Surprise nails it, of course.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012



Oven Wrangler

That's onto something, I think, though the opening of Mass Destruction is memetic for a reason, that poo poo's great. Like, FFXIII has one of that series' best tracks, period in Blinded by Light, but it's a terrible main battle theme because the opening bars are so slow and the good poo poo with the violin is so deeply buried (a full minute into it] in the track you straight-up won't hear it most of the time.

Justin_Brett
Oct 23, 2012

GAMERDOME put down LOSER

Cleretic posted:

Also, didn't it take several years for us to get any information about Persona 5 after its very first teaser?

That is true but I think it's kind of a false equivalence to compare the two. Persona always finds stuff to do between main games to keep in the public eye but the only outright new thing SMT has gotten since Apocalypse was the gacha game.

Justin_Brett fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Jul 5, 2020

Drakenel
Dec 2, 2008

I'll gut you like a cornish game pyjak!


Arist posted:

That's onto something, I think, though the opening of Mass Destruction is memetic for a reason, that poo poo's great. Like, FFXIII has one of that series' best tracks, period in Blinded by Light, but it's a terrible main battle theme because the opening bars are so slow and the good poo poo with the violin is so deeply buried (a full minute into it] in the track you straight-up won't hear it most of the time.

Its been a long time since i've played persona 3, but BABYBABYBABYBABYBABYBABY AWWWW YEAHHHHHHHHHH

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)


wasn't there a goon that misheard baby baby baby as something really really stupid

Saagonsa
Dec 29, 2012



Grimey Drawer

Tired Moritz posted:

wasn't there a goon that misheard baby baby baby as something really really stupid

Melmemelmemelme

I still sometimes think of it out of nowhere

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013


Zofia Today
Alm: Human Disaster


Lipstick Apathy

Still my fave scene where "Mass Destruction" was used.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrh8anV3MSY#t=63s

ZenMasterBullshit
Nov 2, 2011

Ziggy Hero!
Ziggy! Save! Everyone!


Wark Say posted:

Still my fave scene where "Mass Destruction" was used.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrh8anV3MSY#t=63s

Is Shinki's VA the same as Zapp renfro from BBB?

Arist
Feb 13, 2012



Oven Wrangler

Shinji? Yes.

ZenMasterBullshit
Nov 2, 2011

Ziggy Hero!
Ziggy! Save! Everyone!


Arist posted:

Shinji? Yes.

That's a good pick.

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013


Zofia Today
Alm: Human Disaster


Lipstick Apathy

Yeah, Kazuya Nakai. Also responsible for voicing the best version of Hijikata Toshizou.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU17NpwxmGw

Arist
Feb 13, 2012



Oven Wrangler

Persona 4 and 5 especially are like, gathering points for prominent Japanese voice talent. I barely know any Japanese voice actors but I know a ton of the ones playing the main cast of 4 and 5.

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013


Zofia Today
Alm: Human Disaster


Lipstick Apathy

Arist posted:

Persona 4 and 5 especially are like, gathering points for prominent Japanese voice talent. I barely know any Japanese voice actors but I know a ton of the ones playing the main cast of 4 and 5.
Pretty much every Persona that has had VA's had pretty significant names (off the top of my head and just the playable main cast; I'm probably forgetting at least a couple of big ones and excluding the remakes/spin-offs which added characters)
  • P2 Duology has: Takehito Koyasu, Akiko Yajima, Kosuke Toriumi, Hiroko Konishi, Tomoe Hanba, Joji Nakata, Toshiyuki Morikawa.
  • P3 has: Hikaru Midorikawa, Rie Tanaka, Kosuke Toriumi (again), Megumi Ogata, Mamiko Noto, Maaya Sakamoto, Kazuya Nakai, Chiwa Saito.
  • P4 has: Showtaro Morikubo, Yui Horie, Kappei Yamaguchi, Ami Koshimizu, Tomokazu Seki, Rie Kugimiya, Romi Park.
  • P5 has: Jun Fukuyama, Mamoru Miyano, Nana Mizuki, Ikue Otani, Tomokazu Sugita, Rina Sato, Aoi Yuuki (who voiced the delivery girl in the P4 Anime), Haruka Tomatsu, Soichiro Hoshi.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010





Is Persona 4 more popular in the West than in Japan? I just always heard P4 was what really catapulted Persona into the juggernaut of success it has become.

I just find this peculiar since it came out in 2008? I remember a long time ago being a Final Fantasy IX stan and attributing its lack of fame to the fact it came out at the end of the PS1's lifespan and the PS2 was right around the corner. But if P4 came out on the PS2 in 2008 the next gen of consoles weren't around the corner, they were here and in force. 2008 is he year MGS4 came out on PS3 and I think the 360 had been out since 2006.

Thank God it did so well in spite of all this.

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

He will know I am near when he hears the screams of my enemies.

Persona 3 was the real kickstarter, but even though P4 was a success, the franchise was always still a bit niche despite spawning a billion spinoffs.

Persona 5 was the first real blockbuster game that really put the series on the map.

Perfect Potato
Mar 4, 2009


The PS2 was a force of nature which was great for P4, not so much for FFIX. And the 599$ USD work a second job bluray meme machine was no PS2. Different sales metrics for success for FF and Persona though obviously

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



NikkolasKing posted:

Is Persona 4 more popular in the West than in Japan? I just always heard P4 was what really catapulted Persona into the juggernaut of success it has become.

I just find this peculiar since it came out in 2008? I remember a long time ago being a Final Fantasy IX stan and attributing its lack of fame to the fact it came out at the end of the PS1's lifespan and the PS2 was right around the corner. But if P4 came out on the PS2 in 2008 the next gen of consoles weren't around the corner, they were here and in force. 2008 is he year MGS4 came out on PS3 and I think the 360 had been out since 2006.

Thank God it did so well in spite of all this.

Persona 3 was absolutely the one that did that in both countries. It was a tremendously unexpected success and was even received positively enough in America that they released the improved version which is pretty drat uncommon for that time frame.

Persona 4 came out to a higher start but that is because Persona 3 was so popular. The fact that P4 was also well received helped Persona 5, and Persona 5 was well received enough that P6 will probably do better than P5 unless it looks goddamn awful.

ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Jul 6, 2020

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010

Like a bull in a china shop.

Well, if the bull owned the china shop.


I also think that, far as I know, it's changed a little because Megaten as a whole is more of a known quantity in Japan. P3 and (to a greater extent) P4 was what really set Atlus and Megaten as A Thing outside of a small consumer base in the west, while in Japan... I mean, they'd been around and fairly consistent since the NES days or so.

In Japan it's comparable to... maybe Bioware launching Mass Effect, or Ubisoft launching Assassin's Creed? A name that people would have vaguely known finally hitting it big, rather than the huge hit out of effectively nowhere it was in the west.

Cleretic fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Jul 6, 2020

Andrigaar
Dec 12, 2003
Saint of Killers


I won't even lie. I spent a good few years confusing Persona and Pandemonium just because of their names. Which makes less sense when younger me had grabbed an ISO of Eternal Punishment and played several hours of it before it got too hard for my patience. Weirdly I did know about SMT due to SNES fan translations, though I never checked them out.

The release of P3+FES is what reminded me about the franchise and got me to pre-order P4 and eventually snap up the earlier games on PSP/Vita. Didn't have a PS2 till later on, so Nocture and DDS' limited runs sold for way over MSRP and kept me from checking the main entries out.

YggiDee
Sep 12, 2007




The Persona 3 LP on this very forum is literally what got me into the entire franchise and I've since bought probably twenty Persona/SMT games since then.

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014




Fan of Britches

I just beat p4g and its good.

Sam Faust
Feb 20, 2015



deadly_pudding posted:

So, is SMT V ever coming out? It's been radio silence for like 2 years or something

I remember back in January Atlus made a tweet along the lines of "get ready for some SMTV news soon" and followed up by absolutely nothing.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.




I find it funny that before Persona 5, the best seller in the series was still the first game on PS1.

Different economy and everything, but still.

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010


They'll never see it coming...


Sam Faust posted:

I remember back in January Atlus made a tweet along the lines of "get ready for some SMTV news soon" and followed up by absolutely nothing.

A more generous person might be inclined to blame the COVID pandemic.

Atlus fans know better.

AlphaKeny1
Feb 17, 2006



Yeah, we probably wont get SMTV for another 2-3 years

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010

Like a bull in a china shop.

Well, if the bull owned the china shop.


Arist posted:

That's onto something, I think, though the opening of Mass Destruction is memetic for a reason, that poo poo's great. Like, FFXIII has one of that series' best tracks, period in Blinded by Light, but it's a terrible main battle theme because the opening bars are so slow and the good poo poo with the violin is so deeply buried (a full minute into it] in the track you straight-up won't hear it most of the time.

I have no idea how I missed this, but this is a separate but related problem: when your main battle theme starts too slow, to the point where you'll rarely get to the good part. And yeah, Blinded By Light is a perfect example. I'd also put forward FFVII and Chrono Trigger's main battle themes, which just have too much leadup for you to get to the fun parts most of the time.

I think regular P5 is a masterclass in how to do a good main battle theme. Because Last Surprise has a strong enough start to avoid the Blinded By Light problem, but also isn't hard enough to have the Mass Destruction problem where it just gets annoying to only hear that opening so much (if you want a non-SMT example, say hello to the field battle theme for FFXIV's latest expansion). And of course, Last Surprise benefits from them setting it up so that the chorus comes in for your first All-Out Attack, so you'll usually hear the good part of the song anyway.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!


FF9 solved this by making their intro long because they knew battles took 30 seconds just to start

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



Lightning Returns fixed the FFXIII issue by just doing a remix of the song that starts at the best part.

Homora Gaykemi
Apr 30, 2020

"We live together in her Skull Cave. We cook each other dinner all the time. She gifted me this beautiful horse. Do you think I should ask her out?"*

*Ancient lesbo saying


SMTV is taking so long because they're catering to me, personally, by reworking it to be Soul Hackers sequel

PMush Perfect
Sep 30, 2009

MY PAPER SOLDIERS
FORM A WALL
FIVE PACES THICK
AND TWICE AS TALL




deadly_pudding posted:

there's no big enough
There is an entire world of Persona music mashups. A small selection of my favorites:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64WZitWZ6o0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KETX6T3c4b0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp7Bk6AhoeU

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Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006



Maybe SMTV is taking so long because they're trying to figure out a way to actually hack Satan into the game.

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