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Devil Survivor 1 might have a superior story but 2 has way better characters and, through them, more interesting choices. I liked several of the characters in 1, and Naoya might be the best Chaos rep ever, but DeSu 2 had quantity and quality. Loved everyone in that game so much with a couple notable exceptions. It's honestly impressive Ronaldo was so unlikable that he made people just reject the idea of Egalitarianism. Equality and empathy for all? Sounds great! Oh...it's Ronaldo's plan? Welp, what else ya got? EDIT: I have a random Japanese language question. Why does everyone call her "Nanako-chan" except Dojima? I just noticed that a while ago because I'm slow. I thought family members still used honorifics. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Jul 29, 2020 |
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Maybe it's got something to do with how detached he is from her as a father?
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Jul 29, 2020 23:02
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NikkolasKing posted:I have a random Japanese language question. Why does everyone call her "Nanako-chan" except Dojima? I just noticed that a while ago because I'm slow. I thought family members still used honorifics. You can drop honorifics for people who you're very close to, like family or other loved ones
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KonvexKonkav posted:I'm pretty confident that this will happen since this was also included in P5R. Was it? I don't remember seeing that.
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NikkolasKing posted:Devil Survivor 1 might have a superior story but 2 has way better characters and, through them, more interesting choices. I liked several of the characters in 1, and Naoya might be the best Chaos rep ever, but DeSu 2 had quantity and quality. Loved everyone in that game so much with a couple notable exceptions. I was cool with Ronaldo.
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Jul 29, 2020 23:50
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NikkolasKing posted:Devil Survivor 1 might have a superior story but 2 has way better characters and, through them, more interesting choices. I liked several of the characters in 1, and Naoya might be the best Chaos rep ever, but DeSu 2 had quantity and quality. Loved everyone in that game so much with a couple notable exceptions. That isn't really the case. Ronaldo's plan was to pacify every single human being.They would be peaceful and work together but have no drive or ambition because those things bring about strife. It is a very cynical and understandable viewpoint but "the only way to get peace is to lobotomize the world" isn't really something that is an easy positive.
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ImpAtom posted:That isn't really the case. Ronaldo's plan was to pacify every single human being.They would be peaceful and work together but have no drive or ambition because those things bring about strife. It is a very cynical and understandable viewpoint but "the only way to get peace is to lobotomize the world" isn't really something that is an easy positive. I never got his ending, I was just saying what Ronaldo and Airi said when supporting their case. They really do just say "everyone should be equal and we should care for one another." It's explicitly opposed to Yamato's "hierarchy is good and everyone should be out for themselves." The fact it didn't turn out well or as expected is unsurprising but that's not the sales pitch Ronaldo gives you.
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Katana_Warrior posted:You can drop honorifics for people who you're very close to, like family or other loved ones Or if you're just very rude. A lot of 'tough guys' in games just drop honorifics.
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ApplesandOranges posted:Or if you're just very rude. A lot of 'tough guys' in games just drop honorifics. A fact I wouldn't notice in most Japanese games since I only use dubs outside of VN's. That's another thing I've wondered about. Who was the P3 localizer who decided to keep the honorifics? It's an interesting creative choice and makes Persona a bit more distinctive to a Western audience I think. Also thanks for the reply Katana_Warrior.
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Jul 30, 2020 01:06
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NikkolasKing posted:A fact I wouldn't notice in most Japanese games since I only use dubs outside of VN's. I've always felt like a lot of Atlus' specific localization style came as a reaction to how badly they hosed Persona 1. Trying to recontextualize this very Japanese game as being in America caused probably the most miserable failure of localization there's ever been (say what you will about something like Megaman Battle Network 4, at least they finished localizing the game), and things were only going to get harder in the next generation. So gently caress it, go the other way entirely, and make even the translated voiced lines as Japanese as they can manage without it getting distracting or obtuse. We're probably better off for them taking that gamble. Not even just for Persona, them deciding to be unapologetically Japanese and still being successful probably gave Yakuza its second wind in the west, and I'm sure there's other examples.
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NikkolasKing posted:I never got his ending, I was just saying what Ronaldo and Airi said when supporting their case. They really do just say "everyone should be equal and we should care for one another." It's explicitly opposed to Yamato's "hierarchy is good and everyone should be out for themselves." Ronaldo's plan felt very reactionary to Yamato's to me; "Oh you're going to push a meritocracy? gently caress you my world is the total opposite!!" I could believe that he truly does want what's fair for all, but I don't think he really thought out all the details of his plan and Polaris filled in the blanks for him.
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gently caress Ronaldo.
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ChaosArgate posted:Ronaldo's plan felt very reactionary to Yamato's to me; "Oh you're going to push a meritocracy? gently caress you my world is the total opposite!!" I could believe that he truly does want what's fair for all, but I don't think he really thought out all the details of his plan and Polaris filled in the blanks for him. Absolutely. Given Ronaldo's and Yamato's "history' that is pretty likely. Ronaldo's good ideas are utterly ruined by the fact he himself is kinda lovely and driven by revenge and pettiness. They do have an interesting dichotomy. Yamato is far from stoic, especially by the end in his route where he's positively overjoyed, but he's usually very composed and reserved with most people and situations. Ronaldo is a hothead and just gets worse as time goes on, boiling over with rage. It is a stretch to exactly line them up with Law and Chaos but they more or less fit those roles and the fact Chaos (Yamato) is dispassionate while Law (Ronaldo) is all about emotion over reason is an interesting change of pace. i was lucky and avoided him killing Makoto. That seems to be what set a lot of people against Ronaldo. I wanna play DeSu 2 again now. It's so goddamned good. Gonna try for AO's route. And keep Jungo alive. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Jul 30, 2020 |
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I normally go neutral in SMT games, but in both Devil Survivors I went with a "Law" character. Amane in DS1 and Ronaldo in DS2. I thought Amane's route was great and Ronaldo's was alright. He didn't murder anyone in my playthrough, either.
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Idk how people think Ronaldo is wrong when he's basically the DS1 cast, outside trying to help the non-elite survive while the DS2 just snooze around in their fancy government building.
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I still think that Amane is the best 'first route' for a Devil Survivor playthrough, just because I think it handles the Naoya-is-Cain reveal the best out of all the routes
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The 8th day for Chaos in DeSu1 is some of my fav SMT story content in general I think. Naoya ftw.
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Ibram Gaunt posted:The 8th day for Chaos in DeSu1 is some of my fav SMT story content in general I think. Naoya ftw. He was my choice for my first (and only so far) DeSu run. It's a bit strange you apparently find out more about your and Naoya's relationship/backstory in the route that isn't his. If I ever replay Devil Survivor 1 I'd probably pick Haru's friend's route over Amane's or Atsuro's, though so I guess it will be some time before I piss off my bro. And I ain't ever picking what's her face's route. Starts with a Y doesn't it? I have never seen a character arc that begins with "I have no spine and always run away from my problems" and ends with "I still have no spine so let's just run away from all the problems in the city." A novel take, i guess? Also we were talking about mods a few pages ago and how did I forget Nocturen HardType, a mod I've only ever seen universal praise for. Indeed, it will be hard to play regular Nocturne after playing HardType with all of its improvements.
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Yuzu's route is the lamest from a narrative perspective but from a "acting like a real human being" perspective she's top-notch
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Yeah, Yuzu isn't heroic at all, and neither would most of the people on this forum if we were in her situation. She's perhaps the most realistically-written character in the game.
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Also, she's better than Charlie in SMT if. I know, not the highest of praise, but seriously, gently caress you Charlie.
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Yuzu's "gently caress it let's just run away" route is the only one you can't be locked out of, and iirc has an easier final sequence than all the other routes, so it's more of the default you can always fall back on than a competitor with the other routes. I liked her writing as well, she was fine with fighting to survive but she remained reasonably freaked out and didn't just instantly acclimate to constant death battles like most rpg characters.
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I should have taken Yuzu's route both because it is more reflective of my personal truth and because I'm stuck on Amane's final day and I didn't grind enough and also didn't rotate my saves correctly so my last not locked in save is like Day 2. I should probably restart the game. The beginning's fun anyway
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Atsuro and Haru not having 8th days suck because they were my faves 
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Tired Moritz posted:Atsuro and Haru not having 8th days suck because they were my faves Haru not being a party member at all loving sucks. I was so disappointed to learn this as she was absolutely my favorite character. I have the same complaint with Marie in P4G. They build these connections to these characters, make you as close to them as anyone in your party, and then just...don't let you play as them. In Marie's case, I also really just wanna hear more of her voice-actress because she's phenomenal.
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I try and go with my gut the first time in SMT games and got Yuzu in Survivor OG. NGL I was disappointed, more that I think I hosed up doing everyone else's nonsense, instead of just that I got that route. For comparison I got Neutral = SJ Law = SMTIV True Demon - Nocturne Chaos = Raidou 2 Yamato = Survivor 2
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Haru route best route, the final battles were kickass and her and Gin were rad. I ought to dig up my copy of DS1 and play through it again. The Devil Survivor games are such weird opposites of each other in a whole bunch of ways. One of the oddest is the music - DS1's early game and regular battle musics are kind of dull and underwhelming, but its boss fights and a bunch of the lategame tracks were superb - contrast this with DS2, where it put a much better foot forward on music, but doesn't have quite the impact in the big fights and lategame. In my opinion, anyway, as I understand that musical taste is very much a personal thing v  v
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I think all the DS games soundtracks are stymied by being tied to the DS, imagine how much better SJ's soundtrack wouldv'e sounded on a nice 5.1 setup instead of the tinny tiny speaker on the DS or 3DS
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Gaius Marius posted:I try and go with my gut the first time in SMT games and got Yuzu in Survivor OG. NGL I was disappointed, more that I think I hosed up doing everyone else's nonsense, instead of just that I got that route. Good choice. That man was in love with you even more than Io was. I couldn't let him down. But seriously, I ended up liking him so much that I had to go with his route. It's the power of having alignment reps with actual character. When you like somebody you're more inclined to like their ideas and listen to them. I can't help but see some Chiaki in Yamato and vice versa, if only Chiaki had more than five cutscenes. And she still had way more personality and stuff going for her than Isamu or Hikawa. As for which game had better music....eh. I like them both, slight edge to DeSu 2. Still, Rival Battle is a contender for best field theme in either game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUQh-3jwc10 NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Jul 31, 2020 |
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I launched Steam, saw P4G in my 'recently played' list, uninstalled it, and 'hid' the title from showing up in my library. I really enjoyed a lot of aspects of that game, but I apparently now get a visceral reaction to being reminded that the game thought Teddie was such an awesome character that he should be the emotional core of the entire game instead of the impossibly annoying sex offender he actually was. That's a fairly impressive feat of writing, voice acting, and characterisation right there.
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I don't see Teddie as particularly perverted, no more than every other male character and even less than some of the women. P4 is just a very horny video game. Anyway, I'm near the end of my P4G run so I think I'm gonna replay Nocturne. I never did finish my HardType run, stopped right before the Diet Building. I should learn that I just don't like Phys builds. I did one in Apocalypse and didn't enjoy it, I did one in Devil Survivor 2 and didn't enjoy it... I just felt like "I played a mage in SMTIV and Devil Survivor 1, I'll go Physical this time." Same logic used for Nocturne, I played a mage originally so I'll try a Phys build this time. Not fun at all for me. I'll try something else this time around. I have yet to decide what. Some kind of gimmick or specialist magic build with maybe only a certain type of demon party. Also while it's hardly a perfect way to judge such things, I've always been curious what everyone's favorite non-TDE ending for Nocturne is. There's a poll on Reddit right now: https://www.reddit.com/r/Megaten/comments/i02zni/personal_favorite_non_tde_nocturne_ending/ quote:Freedom:182 55.0% The thing is, if you leave Lucifer and all the extra content out of it, the game is decently balanced in giving you choices. None of the Reasons are particularly more favored by the narrative than each other. Takao and Freedom/Neutral get more favorable treatment relatively speaking but I dunno, I still feel like the game is pretty even-handed with its alignments compared to some of the other SMT's. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Jul 31, 2020 |
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Nanako and Dojima were totally the emotional core of the game anyways.
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Teddie peaks when he dresses up like Alice
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Cephas posted:Teddie peaks when he dresses up like Alice But then you keep him in that outfit during battles and it's great. Easily his best costume. "Give me your hearts." He's an excellent party member. Him and Naoto and Yukiko have done very well by me.
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Manatee Cannon posted:teddie peaks when he first gets out of the costume Lot of fans for the guy whose entire personality consisted of simpering flattery for the main chracter and leering sexual aggression for everyone else.
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Koromaru is the best animal teammate for being free of horny, or at least less able to communicate it
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Koromaru is actually the horniest one, Aigis just refuses to translate that stuff
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NikkolasKing posted:Also while it's hardly a perfect way to judge such things, I've always been curious what everyone's favorite non-TDE ending for Nocturne is. There's a poll on Reddit right now: I sided with Chiaki on my first playthrough and I really liked it. Not necessarily from an outside the universe, what world would I personally want to make irl angle (although the specific implementation of the reason is so vague there's definitely room to interpret it positively), but from an inside the universe angle I liked the story it told of these two friends who both found new strength after the end of the world, and it felt like the choices were pretty reasonable for a kid in the demi-fiend's scenario.
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Arist posted:Koromaru is actually the horniest one, Aigis just refuses to translate that stuff
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