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Sally
Jan 9, 2007


Don't post Small Dash!

Alteisen posted:

There's something else? Are you serious?

He did have a kishin, a garm, it didn't matter, his 2 demons took them out with multi hit spells and ronaldo finished me with mow down.

All I can figure is to dogpile him with everyone.

I found the second part easier, as Ronaldo is a pretty powerful NPC at that point. Though in order to beat him, I found I had to just ignore everyone else and rush him with all my characters.

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Alteisen
Jun 4, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
Well got past it, rushed Ronaldo with a Kishin demon in a tow and took him out in one turn, the thing after was quite easy in comparison.

Having Ziodyne this early along with drain will hopefully make things easier but I'm not holding my breath.

I did just fuse a Thor with Assassinate and holy crap is it ridiculous, I also cracked the same skill to, hopefully I get Jungo back soon to get make good use of it since Daichi seems more suited to multi hit.

Nahxela
Oct 11, 2008

Execution

Momomo posted:

I remember it doing so, but even if it didn't, he's still immune to every element when they're combined. When I finally killed one half the other just combined into a full one and I just said gently caress it and turned the game off.
When it re-fuses and re-splits, I think it divides the health evenly (or some sort of averaged way). So if you damaged a bit of one form, but not the other, and it re-fused then split, it would appear to have healed.

Momomo
Dec 26, 2009

Dont judge me, I design your manhole
I just brute forced it this time with Devil Speed + Double Up. When I first tried, all my guys were split up so they weren't able to heal each other. With this I was able to kill it without too much trouble.

Lotus Aura
Aug 16, 2009

KNEEL BEFORE THE WICKED KING!

Alteisen posted:

Daichi seems more suited to multi hit.

Daichi's pretty good at multi-hitting but if that's what you're using him for, I'd swap him out for Hinako. As I found out come Day 7 of my first playthrough, she is easily the best multi-hitter (the fact that she gets natural 40 for both Strength and Agility doesn't hurt but it takes a while).

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

You made a fine post for yourself. ...For a casualry, I suppose.
I didn't have a whole lot of trouble with Phecda, because Ronaldo kicked my rear end the first time, forcing me to update and optimize my team to a level strong enough to crush him.

Sally
Jan 9, 2007


Don't post Small Dash!
If anyone's looking at getting Devil Survivor 2, but are waiting to see more goon opinions, I wrote a review for this website: http://trendygamers.com/2012/03/06/shin-megami-tensei-devil-survivor-2-review/

If anyone else is interested, I'd be happy to receive any criticisms you might have. If you're not interested, I basically say it's a great game and you should get it.

Rascyc
Jan 23, 2008

Dissatisfied Puppy
I didn't even know that boss could recombine. I blew that thing up so hard that I was extremely disappointed.

Physical based humans tend to be the most devastating bosses in my experience though. Thankfully Ronaldo is somewhat held back by preferring ranged attacks.

Sally
Jan 9, 2007


Don't post Small Dash!
Yeah, that boss never had a chance to recombine when I fought it either -- very easy. Ronaldo also doesn't seem to attack unless you either get close to him, or kill off all of his support first.

KataraniSword
Apr 22, 2008

but at least I don't have
a MLP or MSPA avatar.
I am my own man.

Been kind of avoiding this thread while I've been playing out of fear of spoilers, but now that I'm on day 7, I figure it's at least safe enough to look at the parts that aren't in black boxes.

Holy poo poo, they seriously overcompensated for how bad Physical was in DS1, didn't they? Not only are Assassinate and the Multi skills broken as gently caress, but I see that Piercing Blow has been introduced to the DS skillset. :psypop:

Rascyc
Jan 23, 2008

Dissatisfied Puppy
Yeah but it's very much shackled to the fact that anything with physical reflect is an instant shut down. There is no way to bypass that defense I believe. It's mainly an issue on a handful of bosses.

KataraniSword
Apr 22, 2008

but at least I don't have
a MLP or MSPA avatar.
I am my own man.

Rascyc posted:

Yeah but it's very much shackled to the fact that anything with physical reflect is an instant shut down. There is no way to bypass that defense I believe. It's mainly an issue on a handful of bosses.

I've seen a few fusable creatures with Piercing Blow, which does in fact bypass Repel/reflect.

Rascyc
Jan 23, 2008

Dissatisfied Puppy
The tooltip says resist, drain, null, etc. Unless the tooltip lies and even then I am pretty sure I tested this once upon a time and ate it in the face.

TurnipFritter
Apr 21, 2010
10,000 POSTS ON TALKING TIME

I like how on Day 5, they tell everyone the plan to use Pashupati and everyone just rolls with it and knows exactly what they're talking about when they mention that semi-obscure name for Shiva's spear/eye beams.

I don't like how on Day 5 the character with sex appeal is the fifteen year old girl who constantly puts her hands on her boobs. Stop that Index, stop that this very instant.

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

You made a fine post for yourself. ...For a casualry, I suppose.

TurnipFritter posted:

I don't like how on Day 5 the character with sex appeal is the fifteen year old girl who constantly puts her hands on her boobs. Stop that Index, stop that this very instant.

That made me feel pretty uncomfortable too. Is it less gauche in Japan?

Ibram Gaunt
Jul 22, 2009

Even Daichi gets creeped out by the whole thing if you choose the comedy "wait and see" option when she goes to take her top off So I guess it was meant to be weird but they just were really really bad at getting it across.

Rascyc
Jan 23, 2008

Dissatisfied Puppy
She's not putting her hands on her boobs, she's pulling on her ribbon nervously.

Alteisen
Jun 4, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
Sweet mother of christ, the day 4 boss was every Atlus bullshit mechanic rolled into one horrible creature.

Also if Jungo the cat does not survive till the end I will hate this game forever.

Alteisen fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Mar 11, 2012

Axle_Stukov
Feb 26, 2011

Stylin'

Alteisen posted:

Sweet mother of christ, the day 4 boss was every Atlus bullshit mechanic rolled into one horrible creature.

Also if Jungo the cat does not survive till the end I will hate this game forever.

Oh if you hated the day 4 boss, wait until you get a load of the day 7 boss. THAT is when every bullshit mechanic is put into one boss.

KataraniSword
Apr 22, 2008

but at least I don't have
a MLP or MSPA avatar.
I am my own man.

Rascyc posted:

The tooltip says resist, drain, null, etc. Unless the tooltip lies and even then I am pretty sure I tested this once upon a time and ate it in the face.

Ahh, okay. I thought it said reflect, and the "etc" still suggests it - I hadn't seen it in action, having assumed it worked like Nocturne's analogue.

Rascyc
Jan 23, 2008

Dissatisfied Puppy
Actually I added the etc. Bad habit of mine. Has anyone seen holy strike in DS2? Holy Strike was something they added in DS1:Overclock so STR based characters had a way to deal with reflect. It was kind of blah though.

Also looking more at Overclock, it seems that's when they buffed the poo poo out of STR in general and not just DS2.

Rascyc fucked around with this message at 03:47 on Mar 11, 2012

McDragon
Sep 11, 2007

Piercing Blow doesn't get through Repel Phys, but it does get through Drain, as far as I can tell. I used them both a lot later on. And if something with Drain Phys uses Piercing Blow on something with Repel Phys, it reflects off the target and pierces the user. Not that that comes up very often.

Whack
Feb 14, 2008
Persona 4 question. I'm supposed to get a cops attention to get info on that snooty kid with the hat. He's not talking to me.

Little help? :ohdear:

DrManiac
Feb 29, 2012

Rascyc posted:

Actually I added the etc. Bad habit of mine. Has anyone seen holy strike in DS2? Holy Strike was something they added in DS1:Overclock so STR based characters had a way to deal with reflect. It was kind of blah though.

Also looking more at Overclock, it seems that's when they buffed the poo poo out of STR in general and not just DS2.


Piecing hit is pretty much a pierce infused attack. Unlike regular pierce, it also cuts through repel.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Rascyc posted:

Actually I added the etc. Bad habit of mine. Has anyone seen holy strike in DS2? Holy Strike was something they added in DS1:Overclock so STR based characters had a way to deal with reflect. It was kind of blah though.

Also looking more at Overclock, it seems that's when they buffed the poo poo out of STR in general and not just DS2.

There's an Almighty Strike-alike in DS2 IIRC, yes.

Nessa
Dec 15, 2008

Whack posted:

Persona 4 question. I'm supposed to get a cops attention to get info on that snooty kid with the hat. He's not talking to me.

Little help? :ohdear:

Adachi should be around somewhere, try talking to him. I think he's at the Junes?

Rascyc
Jan 23, 2008

Dissatisfied Puppy

DrManiac posted:

Piecing hit is pretty much a pierce infused attack. Unlike regular pierce, it also cuts through repel.
Nope, as I said before - it doesn't in Devil Survivor 2. I just tested it a second time in case I was crazy, and had it reflected right back at me.

Only an almighty-typed physical attack will go through repel. Although I never cracked it so I must have missed it at some point in the game. They added this in Overclock so STR based characters could fight the bonus boss.

Lotus Aura
Aug 16, 2009

KNEEL BEFORE THE WICKED KING!
Doesn't Assassinate go through Reflect? Based on the description it should and I read that it will, but I'm not going to go out and test that anytime soon.

Koops
Mar 27, 2010

Whack posted:

Persona 4 question. I'm supposed to get a cops attention to get info on that snooty kid with the hat. He's not talking to me.

Little help? :ohdear:

Sometimes during these investigation parts the person you need to talk to will only show up on certain days. If you can't find any clues, try again tomorrow.

Axle_Stukov
Feb 26, 2011

Stylin'

Whack posted:

Persona 4 question. I'm supposed to get a cops attention to get info on that snooty kid with the hat. He's not talking to me.

Little help? :ohdear:

You need to talk to Chie at the riverbank first for her to give you a suggestion on making the cop talk to you.

skog
Aug 20, 2009
I just finished Persona 3, holy poo poo that ending was rough :( gonna start 4 tomorrow

Policenaut
Jul 11, 2008

On the moon... they don't make Neo Kobe Pizza.

Persona 4 The Golden has awesome box art.



Click here to see some art for the Limited Edition of the game. One picture has a giant question mark to keep you from seeing an "unannounced feature" of The Golden.

Pureauthor
Jul 8, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT KISSING A GHOST
Chie gives no fucks.

PunkBoy
Aug 22, 2008

You wanna get through this?
I'm guessing it's because of the bulky hoodie, but Chie looks like she's in an uncomfortable position. Her expression is the best, though. The sketch of Naoto in the link is badass.

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008

Pureauthor posted:

Chie gives no fucks.

obviously Chie is the reincarnation of the male Persona 3 protagonist.

KataraniSword
Apr 22, 2008

but at least I don't have
a MLP or MSPA avatar.
I am my own man.

Dragonatrix posted:

Doesn't Assassinate go through Reflect? Based on the description it should and I read that it will, but I'm not going to go out and test that anytime soon.

Nope. Found that out the hard way when Keita oneshotted himself on a Rangda.

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?

Policenaut posted:

One picture has a giant question mark to keep you from seeing an "unannounced feature" of The Golden.

Is that hinting at combined attacks with Personae?

Rascyc
Jan 23, 2008

Dissatisfied Puppy
Think we've seen a little combined attack animations in the trailer already.

Dragonatrix posted:

Doesn't Assassinate go through Reflect? Based on the description it should and I read that it will, but I'm not going to go out and test that anytime soon.
Nah, the description for Assassinate is referring to the defense bonus leaders get when they have live demons around them. Using assassinate is like doing a single physical attack on a leader without any demons in their party. All drains/reflects and such work as advertised.

Armor-Piercing
Sep 22, 2009

Nightly dance
of bleeding swords


Maybe it's hiding a character they haven't revealed yet.

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Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
Don't know what to think of cover art. On one hand there's a lot of poo poo in it and it sort of doesn't really click together very well, but Izanagi and Chie look amazing enough for me to justify it.

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