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Tomn posted:You know, I just had a thought - how must the reign of Mursel look like from the Armenian point of view? I think closest comparison would be the Franco-Prussian War? I can't remember any older examples with a similar situation. Nevets posted:Did the Armenians or Bulgarians start the war which directly preceded the last Azeri-Armenian war? If the Armenians attacked the Bulgarians and ground down their army of their own volition then they are probably as mad at their leaders as they are at Azerbaijan. So I'm guessing revolution, e.g. wouldn't be out of the picture. If this was a bit further to the future we might see a republic... (here is something to Vic 2 perhaps, a pissed off Armenian First Republic at our border, with revanchism abound). DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Jan 9, 2012 |
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DarkCrawler posted:I think closest comparison would be the Franco-Prussian War? I can't remember any older examples with a similar situation. Maybe Poland between Prussia and Russia?
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nimby posted:I can see a potential "Azeri National Socialist Party" using this as a justification for a Final Solution type of thing. Erh. I suggested something like this in Hohenzollern thread and got shoutted down pretty fast. And I recently had the benefit of being reminded in another LP of that dumb post, so if my RPing posts are starting to make people uncomfortable, I'll stop.
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You do seem pretty weirdly single-issue about it.
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John Charity Spring posted:You do seem pretty weirdly single-issue about it. Alright, then I'll cut it out. I think I started after we got creamed during the P.U. period. A bunch of posters said "We can't abandon our tolerant ways despite this setback!" My thought was that getting the capital sacked would be the sort of catalyst to lead some elites to change their opinion. SirPhoebos fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Jan 9, 2012 |
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Jan 9, 2012 23:12
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I'm making this a new post: I would like to volunteer to do the Crete Senate summaries. I have archive access, so that won't be a problem. I sent a request through Google Docs
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SirPhoebos posted:I'm making this a new post: I would like to volunteer to do the Crete Senate summaries. I have archive access, so that won't be a problem. Sure, more the merrier. Request for what document?
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 Chapter 35: The Brothers Daei (1690 - 1700) The revolt in the Norwegian colony of Christiana (in Canada) finally progresses into a full-blown separatist movement, the first such movement among the colonists of the New World.  Back in Europe, Burgundy continues its aggressive expansion supported by its Spanish ally, invading the Netherlands and seizing a strip of its border under the pretext of unifying all Frenchmen under one crown.  In Azerbaijan, the nobility continues to challenge the Regent despite the bloody examples made at the coronation, but Aksonqor refuses to give them any concessions.  Burak takes the throne in 1693. Even at his young age, he is regarded as a genius of politics, diplomacy and warfare, a more than worthy successor to his illustrous father.  His half-brother Murad, just a few months younger than Burak, is almost equally brilliant and Burak's first act as Sultan is to appoint Murad Grand Vizier and make him heir to the throne. As children, the two brothers were inseparable and Murad is said to be only person Burak trusts and takes into his confidence.  Leaving Murad to handle administrative matters, Burak turns to the military and the much-neglected Azeri artillery. He imports a large number of swivel guns of Western make to replace the aging leather cannons and forms a new artillery corps to support the main army in sieges.   Meanwhile, Murad resumes the great building projects of Mürsel that were abandoned on his death. Construction begins of the planned cannon foundries in Kartli, and roads and counting-houses once again begin to appear all over Azerbaijan.   Murad also creates a Greek millet, granting Azerbaijan's growing Greek population full toleration and autonomy.   Though the two brothers are undoubtedly reformers equal to their father, their reforms do not seem inspired by the same Enlightenment ideals that drove Mürsel. Instead, Burak and Murad seem to concern themselves primarily with strengthening the power of the crown, which means weakening the noble houses and the Shura.   In summer of 1699, as the two brothers are relaxing in the Crimean summer palace built by Mürsel, a smallpox epidemic erupts in the region. The court prepares to return to Tabriz, but before they can leave Murad catches the illness. Burak summons the best Greek doctors and ordains the most expensive treatments, watching day and night by his beloved brother's bedside, but after two days of fighting the disease Murad passes away.  After the funeral, Burak hardly speaks a word to anyone, sealing himself in his chambers and admitting nobody but Aksonqor, who is forced to resume his former duties as Regent. For two full months this continues, until finally Burak emerges from his chambers. He is a changed man, all joy and youth gone from his face. He dismisses Aksonqor from Tabriz and quickly asserts his power over the court and the Shura. He remains silent at nearly all times except to issue commands, and only seems to have care left for one thing in the world: power. Courtiers whisper that when Murad died, Burak's soul left his body to be with his brother in Paradise, and that now only an empty shell of a man remains to sit on the throne.   
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sniper4625 posted:Sure, more the merrier. I meant the link on the Crete OP listed under "Record of Full Vote" EDIT: So, what updates have already been claimed? SirPhoebos fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Jan 9, 2012 |
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Allah have mercy on the enemies that have to face such a Sultan embittered with grief. Shall he finally embrace all of Armenia into Azerbaijan's arms? Or perhaps meet the Russians? Also Britain finally conquered Ireland... although now Mann is free. Again. Bye bye Kurdistan, you died for the greater good of nice borders. Zhen is slowly progressing to conquering China, as is Ikko-Ikki for Japan. Edit: Also the love of the two brothers and the mourning of our king is the bait for about a billion Azeri historic dramas to counter-balance all the millitary ones. Rejected Fate fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Jan 9, 2012 |
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YES WE CAN!
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Munin posted:Our aim should be to agitate for a breakdown of barriers between our various communities so that they don't treat others as strangers in the same land but well known cordial neighbours and friends (I had a nice coffee with Ahmed and Havik at the coffee house last night...). Great idea, but I don't think this kind of assimilation is modeled in V2 though, certainly not in EU3.
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So, uh, where is Christiana?
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Viola the Mad posted:So, uh, where is Christiana? Norwegian Canada.
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Viola the Mad posted:So, uh, where is Christiana? Canada. It was mentioned last update.
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Zhen took Beijing, Cherokee took a province off the Dutch, Navarre is no more once again. Bhutan seems to be expanding...
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The real news in this update is that the Samis have their independence again! :cryingreindeer:
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No Netherlands, you should be kicking French rear end! At least they're still well represented in the East Indies.
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Burgundy will pay for ruining the Dutch Pretty Borders.
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No Burgundy, don't form France. That's so much less cool then Burgundy  And glorious Sweden is conquering Brandenburg  e; I'm loving the new huge map.
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So I was browsing through our long history just to refresh myself and I noticed this in the EU3 prologuequote:
Do the Ildeguzids still rule tiny Khwarizm? Is it independent or has someone vassaled it?
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No, the Khwarizm Ildeguzids went poof around 1450 when it came into a union under Qurighar. Nowadays its independent but being chewed up by Russia (its down to 2 provinces).
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I really really hope the Cherokee make it to Vicky. What kind of government do they have? Are they still just a bunch politically disunited tribes or did they get a more centralized form of government when they modernized?
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Patter Song posted:
Tomn posted:There are not enough words to explain how much this is not happening. No, but there are pictures! This is our moment! The moment when we can make mistakes that will live on in infamy!
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Patter Song posted:
Yea seriously holy poo poo this the type of man that redefines a nation. Now that he's ruthless and unhinged, i fear for our future. The Shura may want to take a vacation for a bit.
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I'm hoping this goes the "no nobles, no gods!" way. It was already mentioned the guy wasn't interested in enlightenment ideas so much as consolidating crown power, so might as well add the cruel god that took his beloved brother away to his shitlist along with the shura.
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YeOldeButchere posted:I'm hoping this goes the "no nobles, no gods!" way. It was already mentioned the guy wasn't interested in enlightenment ideas so much as consolidating crown power, so might as well add the cruel god that took his beloved brother away to his shitlist along with the shura. Problem is that would create tension with Azeri peasants, and kill relations with the Armenians. Converting them to Islam would be hard enough, imagine pushing a 'faith' even the Azeri peoples don't support.
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I'm kind of disappointed that Bulgaria managed to fail to extract any more provinces from Armenia. I'm really rooting for Burgundy, a world without France just feels too easy somehow, but generally speaking it would be nice to see lots of blobbing in the next 100 years so that we have lots of viable great powers in V2.
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RabidWeasel posted:I'm kind of disappointed that Bulgaria managed to fail to extract any more provinces from Armenia. I'm really rooting for Burgundy, a world without France just feels too easy somehow, but generally speaking it would be nice to see lots of blobbing in the next 100 years so that we have lots of viable great powers in V2. Burgundy not forming France in EU3 means they'll be playing Prussia to France's German Empire come Vicky.
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Burgundy will form France eventually: they have ~80-85% of French lands under their control already, and more besides (Piedmont). They just need to finish off Gascony to form France, then go after the OPMs and Brittany.
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Why are all of our kings such bitches who cry over little things like the death of a close family member? Pull yourself together man!
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YeOldeButchere posted:I'm hoping this goes the "no nobles, no gods!" way. It was already mentioned the guy wasn't interested in enlightenment ideas so much as consolidating crown power, so might as well add the cruel god that took his beloved brother away to his shitlist along with the shura.
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The Sultan is a God-king now embittered and soulless by the loss of his dearest friend. Sweet. I can only hope his first act is to enact the final toleration of the Armenians.
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The Saurus posted:Why are all of our kings such bitches who cry over little things like the death of a close family member? Pull yourself together man! Considering he's probably going to snap and invade half of eurasia I think this cleansing of emotions is just what Azerbaijan needs to rise to the top. Emotions only make it harder to tolerate.
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Hyord posted:The Sultan is a God-king now embittered and soulless by the loss of his dearest friend. Well hopefully when Arthas goes on his conquering spree he will make some concessions for pretty borders.
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Thoughts: Rhodes is apparently dead. Releasing a country releases all provinces it has a core on. For maximum screwing with Armenia, just take Adana and release Rhodes. They'd lose their capital of Cyprus in the process and be forced to move their capital deep into Greek territory. An Armenia that ruled nothing but Greeks would have such a tough time.
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That was pretty  right there.Welp, time to go tolerate some Armenians.
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YeOldeButchere posted:I'm hoping this goes the "no nobles, no gods!" way. It was already mentioned the guy wasn't interested in enlightenment ideas so much as consolidating crown power, so might as well add the cruel god that took his beloved brother away to his shitlist along with the shura. 1000 times this.
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Hyord posted:The Sultan is a God-king now embittered and soulless by the loss of his dearest friend. What is this? A royal marriage with Armenia turned into a personal union until the end of eu3?
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