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If we're the greatest Muslim power on earth, then how come we don't own the Holy Land? I've long wanted us to take Syria down a peg or two. What's stopping us? Let's get entangled in Arabia/Africa instead of meddling in European matters.
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 Chapter 41: The World of 1750  Alliances have largely remained the same, with the exception that Espanya has changed its ally from Burgundy to Britain, leaving Burgundy isolated.                                                            
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Wiz posted:Because I didn't make separate tags for Portugese vs Spanish Peru. I know it's a little silly but it's the only place where two countries will revolt into the same tag, just bear with it. Can you give the Cherokee back that part of Mississippi. Cherokee seriously have the ugliest of borders. Also Zhen calling a war a jihad seems so wrong to me. C-SPAN Caller fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Jan 25, 2012 |
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Jan 25, 2012 03:58
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I'm super thrilled with the semi-historical Dutch settlement of Indonesia. No namechat needed I guess.
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Azerbaijan is a hummingbird, Zhen is a turtle.
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Jan 25, 2012 04:11
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Wiz posted:Because I didn't make separate tags for Portugese vs Spanish Peru. I know it's a little silly but it's the only place where two countries will revolt into the same tag, just bear with it. Easily explained by an indigenous revolt (e.g. Tupac Amaru II) since the overwhelming bulk of the people in both Spanish and Portuguese Peru would be Quechua and Quechua-related Mestizos.
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Jan 25, 2012 04:13
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Who the hell is Ryukyu attacking?
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Jan 25, 2012 04:14
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Peel posted:Who the hell is Ryukyu attacking? Date, trying to capitalize on Ikko-Ikki beating them up apparently.
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Jan 25, 2012 04:16
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Wow, Zhen took a big ol' green dump on Nan Han. Looks like complete unification is inevitable at this point.
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Jan 25, 2012 04:16
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Is the cost for the Gemeiner Pfennig reform increased?
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Jan 25, 2012 04:19
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I can't be the only person who thinks that Midwestern Norwegian exclave (and the Alaskan territories, now that I think about it) is the dumbest thing ever, right?
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Jan 25, 2012 04:22
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Ikko-Ikki Japanese Unification would be absolutely hilarious.
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Jan 25, 2012 04:24
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i poo poo trains posted:I can't be the only person who thinks that Midwestern Norwegian exclave (and the Alaskan territories, now that I think about it) is the dumbest thing ever, right? That area is in full rebellion. It won't stay an exclave for long. EDIT: Seriously guys, save your complaints about colonial rebellions to the end of EU3. There's no easy fast perfect way to make a colonial revolter system, and what matters is the end result. Wiz fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Jan 25, 2012 |
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Jan 25, 2012 04:25
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Looks like Poland has created a hell of an anti-Russian alliance, and Persia has obtained a border with Russia as well. Wiz, if the Persians ended up at war with the Russians, what would the likelihood be of Poland and Sweden getting involved via our alliance chain, or vice versa? E: Also, is that french province where La Rochelle would be owned by the dutch or is it a french minor? The Saurus fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Jan 25, 2012 |
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Jan 25, 2012 04:30
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The Saurus posted:Looks like Poland has created a hell of an anti-Russian alliance, and Persia has obtained a border with Russia as well. This has already happened and they don't get involved because only alliance leader can call in allies.
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Would anyone mind telling me more about Vicky ethnic dynamics? From what it sounds like, if you've got a multiethnic country it's going to disintegrate in a bunch of nationalist rebellions. Okay, nationalist movements popping up all over the place does sum up a large chunk of Victorian history, but you had highly cosmopolitan societies as well. The idea that nations with a diverse mixture of ethnicities did not exist and function reasonably well (taking into account the instability brought on by the massive changes going on during the period) seems more than a little ridiculous. I guess what I'm asking is: is there some sort of middle ground between homogenous stable nation and multiethnic country playing nationalist whack-a-mole? Cause right now I'm getting the impression that there isn't. And while I'd be very surprised if we hold onto more than two or three of the provinces we've recently conquered, I'd expect the Astrakhan Jews and the Georgians to be well-integrated into Azeri society by now, considering our long, strong traditions of tolerance. I really don't want to see us transform into ethnic cleansing suppressive jerks just in order to hold the drat country together. Also, why will Azerbaijan have such a difficult time industrializing?
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Jan 25, 2012 04:34
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Clearly it's time for us to invade Russia then, and call in Poland and Persia. Maybe ally with Sweden first as well. The Black Sea is an Azeri lake, and no more. We must not suffer any nation's presence in our rightful territory.
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Jan 25, 2012 04:36
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Basically, nationalist rebellions is a big deal but the biggest deal is the accepted culture mechanic. This means that your country has a primary and a number of accepted cultures, in the case of Azerbaijan this will be Azeri, Turkish, Khazar. Now, your ruling political party has a particular stance towards minorities: Residence, Limited Citizenship, Full Citizenship, which basically determines how much freedom and participation non-accepted/primary cultures are allowed. Unless you have Full Citizenship (which is really only for socialist, communist or late game liberal parties), your non-accepted POPs will not be able to promote to craftsmen/clerks and thus can't work in your factories. In other words, we might end up with a population of 30 million but that doesn't help us very much for industralization if only 3 million of those can work in our factories. The only way around this is to get a Full Citizenship party in power.
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Jan 25, 2012 04:37
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Wiz posted:This has already happened and they don't get involved because only alliance leader can call in allies. Did you remove that horrible chain calling where the original war leader calls in someone stronger who becomes leader who calls in someone stronger who becomes leader etc etc? It's really fun having 90% of Europe at war with you because you DoW'd a opm with a valid CB.
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Jan 25, 2012 04:37
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On industrializing - Vicky has the people divided into 'pops' representing the different classes/professors. Soldiers, Officers, Capitalists and so on. Craftsmen are the pop that work in factories - and getting non-accepted/primary culture groups to actually become craftsmen is really hard. There are political parties that support positions that make it easier (those that give Full Citizenship, or citizenship to all people in the country, which normally non accepted/primary cultures don't get). Unfortunately, the parties that actually have that can be hard to get - socialists/communists are the only ones I /know/ have it. Edit - beat by Wiz.
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Jan 25, 2012 04:38
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uPen posted:Did you remove that horrible chain calling where the original war leader calls in someone stronger who becomes leader who calls in someone stronger who becomes leader etc etc? It's really fun having 90% of Europe at war with you because you DoW'd a opm with a valid CB. They increased the power differential requirement to take over war leadership, so yeah if that happens it's extremely rare now.
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Jan 25, 2012 04:38
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Hahahaha  Thank christ for our current string of militaristic rulers though, more blob is more better, We will retake Constantinople! And Syria! and Egypt! Actually where CAN we conquer in order to get some more accepted culture pops for Vicky?
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Jan 25, 2012 04:41
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Yes! I was right all along, Communism is the only way forward for Azerbaijan! Full citizenship and equality for all! Everyone get in the factories! Russia: 325k troops, 267k manpower, 7048 income Azeri alliance: 403k troops, 528k manpower, 7111 income Epic war against the bear, anyone?
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Jan 25, 2012 04:43
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Also I'm curious, how does this Russia compare to the real one as far as military power/technological development goes? They seem pretty dominant right now. What prevented their industrialization in our timeline, at least in comparison to other European countries.
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Jan 25, 2012 04:46
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Hoping for an Ikko-Ikki Japan. Also, why did Nantes think it was a good idea to invade Burgundance alone?
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Jan 25, 2012 04:46
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Seriously: The first chance we get, we need to knock Russia down a few pegs. ~2000+ income over the colonial trading empires, as well as being at the bleeding edge of modern tech? Clearly something has gone horribly, horribly wrong.
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Triskelli posted:Seriously: The first chance we get, we need to knock Russia down a few pegs. ~2000+ income over the colonial trading empires, as well as being at the bleeding edge of modern tech? Clearly something has gone horribly, horribly wrong. I wouldn't call them bleeding edge of modern tech, at least not their government tech level. The ledger is sorted by production tech because I can't sort by total tech.
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Triskelli posted:Seriously: The first chance we get, we need to knock Russia down a few pegs. ~2000+ income over the colonial trading empires, as well as being at the bleeding edge of modern tech? Clearly something has gone horribly, horribly wrong. In real history, it took an alliance of France, Great Britain, the Ottoman Empire, and the Crimean Khanate to stop the Russian war machine in the Crimean war. For most of its history, Russia was very frightening, with very elite troops as well as almost endless supplies of manpower.
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 Look at that smug bastard sitting there, gloating. SlothfulCobra fucked around with this message at 05:05 on Jan 25, 2012 |
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Jan 25, 2012 04:59
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Russia had elite troops? I would like to hear more about this, since as far as I remember they basically destroyed their own military and social elite when they brought in the Tsarist autocracy, thereafter relying on levies. The Crimean war was also a shocking jolt and made the Russians appear and feel weak, didn't it? If Russia gets into a war with the Mughals or Zhen or Sweden, we should immediately jump them. Our alliance already outnumbers them in manpower and troops 4 to 3, and slightly outnumbers their income - If they were at war with a major power in the east they would be massively out of position and ripe for a four-way gangbang. (And it might be the only chance we have to take them down a peg, which desperately needs to be done) The Saurus fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Jan 25, 2012 |
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The Saurus posted:Russia had elite troops? I would like to hear more about this, since as far as I remember they basically destroyed their own military and social elite when they brought in the Tsarist autocracy, thereafter relying on levies. The Russians had what was basically a proto-national army based on peasant conscription while everyone else was using mercenaries. It wasn't an 'elite' army but it had the advantage of much greater cohesiveness and ability to drum up reinforcements than the other armies of the early modern era. Of course, when the states of Europe started implementing real national armies and Russia was still stuck with its unwieldy giant standing army, things took a turn for the worse in their wars with the other Great Powers.
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Gorgo Primus posted:Hoping for an Ikko-Ikki Japan. Agreed.
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Jan 25, 2012 05:09
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The division of Japan between the more xenophobic, aristocratic northern part and the more outward-looking, mercantile southern part seems like an interesting mechanic. I hope it lasts into Vicky.
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Wiz posted:The Russians had what was basically a proto-national army based on peasant conscription while everyone else was using mercenaries. It wasn't an 'elite' army but it had the advantage of much greater cohesiveness and ability to drum up reinforcements than the other armies of the early modern era. ^This is pretty much the way I heard it: Russia was feared not by the skill of its soldiers but by just how many conscripts they could throw at one target. We don't need to do any more blobbing at this stage, but an alliance war against Russia would be a good option (As well as fun to watch) if only to make the Bear release a few minor states in Asia. That way we can gain a little more breathing space when we get smacked hard in Vicky with "Demographics". 
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Pakled posted:The division of Japan between the more xenophobic, aristocratic northern part and the more outward-looking, mercantile southern part seems like an interesting mechanic. I hope it lasts into Vicky. Date has lost a lot of its provinces and is now pretty badly outnumbered since the northern provinces are bigger and less resourceful. They'll be gone way before Vicky. 5% of the population controls 100% of our CoTs. Occupy Astrakhan.
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Dr. Not A Doctor posted:In real history, it took an alliance of France, Great Britain, the Ottoman Empire, and the Crimean Khanate to stop the Russian war machine in the Crimean war. The person you were quoting wasn't talking about this Russia's status as the biggest military power in the world, but rather about its status as the richest country in the world.
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SolidPolonium posted:5% of the population controls 100% of our CoTs. Occupy Astrakhan. I'm positive that every time there's an economic downturn in Azerbaijan it's accompanied by massive pogroms. Seriously, the entire country's financial elite are Jews! People probably sit around discussing The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Astrakhan.
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Since "Ikki" just means rebel in Japanese, are we going to call them Ikko once they finally take control of the rest of Honshu and Hokkaido?
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Wiz, what are you looking at for Azeri's last National Idea? Or is it too soon to be thinking about that?
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Kavak posted:Since "Ikki" just means rebel in Japanese, are we going to call them Ikko once they finally take control of the rest of Honshu and Hokkaido? I imagine Ikki would have changed meaning over time if the Ikko-Ikki adopted the word as self referential. There's a lot of words we use that no longer have their original meanings.
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