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e X posted:Did Britain do anything at all? Basically no. I'm going to go ahead and assume they were busy stealing colonies.
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Wiz posted:Basically no. I'm going to go ahead and assume they were busy stealing colonies. Probably the only reason they joined the war in the first place.
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Jun 16, 2013 20:32
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Yeah, seeing as the main war became a bloody stalemate which no one really gained much from Britain's got to be feeling pretty smug right now. PERFIDIOUS ALBION! 
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Jun 16, 2013 20:38
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Are there even mechanics in MOTE for Britain to finance their continental allies, the way they were giving massive subsidies to pretty much everyone fighting against Revolutionary France and then Napoleon in order to make up for their own lack of manpower and drive for continental land fighting?
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Jun 16, 2013 20:41
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If I were to guess, they probably went after Spanish holdings or are reconquering parts of South America. I guess Pax Espana couldn't last. 
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vyelkin posted:Are there even mechanics in MOTE for Britain to finance their continental allies, the way they were giving massive subsidies to pretty much everyone fighting against Revolutionary France and then Napoleon in order to make up for their own lack of manpower and drive for continental land fighting? The coalition leader gives money to all coalition members, so yeah but they're not coalition leader so they actually GOT subsidies from Russia. Mind you, they had a respectable army and could possibly have tipped the balance of the war but apparently they decided not to.
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Will Sweden annex Finland seeing as it's only been two decades or so since it gained it's independence? I guess it's not hugely relevant unless it lasts until V2. Anyway, I guess the net result of the war of the whateverth coalition is that Italy gains Albania, Finland becomes royalist again and Poland and Bohemia is a wartorn mess. The Empire(s) strikes back 
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Jun 16, 2013 20:44
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I'm nervous about the North Front, the UK needs to make a landing somewhere.
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Jun 16, 2013 20:46
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The Azeri/Russian/Polish defence of Warsaw is a very evocative bit of fake military history.
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Jun 16, 2013 20:54
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Honestly, one of the more annoying things about MOTE is the shortcomings of the British AI. They tend to dribble out tiny expeditionary armies here and there across the continent, and... well, that's it, really. They're the worst possible ally, because they'll take over the war-leader position of any war & then make concessions without giving any advantage in return. Perfidious Albion indeed!
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Wiz posted:The coalition leader gives money to all coalition members, so yeah but they're not coalition leader so they actually GOT subsidies from Russia. Mind you, they had a respectable army and could possibly have tipped the balance of the war but apparently they decided not to. Can't say I blame them - there might be short-term advantages to backing the Russians and getting whatever they can scrounge out of the wars, but a continent dominated by Republics and hostile to monarchies can't really be the most comfortable thing to consider for the King of Britain. Also, can Poland actually contribute an army any more in the breathing room we've got? If they can, it's possible that keeping Poland in the Republican cause may, in the long-term, become the key to storming Germany and breaking the lynchpin of the monarchist nations. Even if they can't, though, the fact that Russian doesn't need to fight their way across Poland before hitting the bulk of the monarchists could prove decisive - and to be honest I doubt that the inclusion of Finland and Albania to the monarchist cause will prove quite as helpful for them. Might be a net gain for the Republicans, overall. (P.S. Listening to the Red Army Choir while reading the updates is the best way to enjoy them.)
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Poor Poland. Once a powerful state with a history of land dominance, now a war-torn puppet state that lost a whole generation of leaders and soldiers to an inconclusive bloodbath beyond its own control. Poland's going to be in for a rough time in the coming years. I'd imagine the government only really controls the cities, with the bureaucracy being practically non-existent in the countrysides. On the plus side, the people are probably too exhausted from the war to form a serious rebellion any time soon.
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Pakled posted:Poor Poland. Once a powerful state with a history of land dominance, now a war-torn puppet state that lost a whole generation of leaders and soldiers to an inconclusive bloodbath beyond its own control. Poland's going to be in for a rough time in the coming years. I'd imagine the government only really controls the cities, with the bureaucracy being practically non-existent in the countrysides. On the plus side, the people are probably too exhausted from the war to make a fuss about their conditions any time soon.
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Jun 16, 2013 21:09
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If only we were not puppeted, now would be the perfect time to crush the greeks.
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Ogianres posted:Zhen, Mughalistan, Persia, and Mali are all pretty dynamic and growing powers, or at least most of them are last I recall. Zhen at the very least is having to engage revolutionary ideology in the form of fighting Russia, and win or lose is not going to be able to continue on without an outward perspective. Since the ideas of the French revolution were spread by Napoleons soldiers, shouldn't this mean that the ideas spread to China in this timeline? This should mean that they'd civilize faster (maybe) but have to deal with the liberalism and springtime of nations (definitely).
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lullelulle posted:Since the ideas of the French revolution were spread by Napoleons soldiers, shouldn't this mean that the ideas spread to China in this timeline? This should mean that they'd civilize faster (maybe) but have to deal with the liberalism and springtime of nations (definitely). A second golden age of Islam; in China. It's gotta happen
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I'm picturing Poland as being forcibly disarmed (maybe ~3% Soldier pops and .1% Officer pops in V2) and absolutely abysmally low levels of Bureaucrats and Aristocrats (maybe .15% Bureaucrats and .05% Aristocrats).
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Patter Song posted:I'm picturing Poland as being forcibly disarmed (maybe ~3% Soldier pops and .1% Officer pops in V2) and absolutely abysmally low levels of Bureaucrats and Aristocrats (maybe .15% Bureaucrats and .05% Aristocrats). Given Vicky2 will start in '36, I'd say three years would be enough to re-establish a functional, if inadequate bureaucracy. Actually since it's a republic and now has a lot of free land, maybe Poland could be somewhat like a small European USA. It's right on the border with Germany as well, so if anyone wanted to escape monarchist tyranny they'd probably flee to Poland; working men will be at a premium in the coming generations and there's a lot of freed land so there's good incentive.
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YF-23 posted:Given Vicky2 will start in '36, I'd say three years would be enough to re-establish a functional, if inadequate bureaucracy. I think Russia's more like a European USA in that regard. Russia has even more free land than Poland does, I'd imagine, and I think most people fleeing monarchist tyranny would choose Russia over poor, war-torn Poland.
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Jun 16, 2013 21:57
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That's true, but at least one of the Big Guys in the monarchist camp, Germany, shares a direct border with Poland, so I figure it would be easier to get to it than Russia in many aspects.
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What's the manpower situation like in our country?
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John Charity Spring posted:The Azeri/Russian/Polish defence of Warsaw is a very evocative bit of fake military history. Pakled posted:Poor Poland. Once a powerful state with a history of land dominance, now a war-torn puppet state that lost a whole generation of leaders and soldiers to an inconclusive bloodbath beyond its own control. Poland's going to be in for a rough time in the coming years. I'd imagine the government only really controls the cities, with the bureaucracy being practically non-existent in the countrysides. On the plus side, the people are probably too exhausted from the war to form a serious rebellion any time soon.  Published 1833 in Mucha, a Polish periodical magazine - Artist Unknown The Battle of Warsaw is considered a key event in military history and is frequently considered to be Europe's first major encounter with urban warfare. Although later romanticized in English and Italian literature, it is difficult to understate the devastating impact the battle had on Polish culture and society. Recently, foreign conduct in Warsaw has become a heated debate among historians. Critics argue that military forces attacked districts with little military significance, with particular attention being paid to the mass execution of the Sejm and the burning of the Royal Palace by German forces. The resulting firestorm destroyed eight square miles of the city centre.  Published 1837 in Zarevo, a Polish periodical magazine - I.T. Evlakovski [/i]Russian President Aleksander Sheremetev and Italian King Amedeo II de Napoles are depicted as two sides of the same coin, leading the march to war for selfish and arbitrary goals.[/i] QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Jun 16, 2013 |
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YF-23 posted:Given Vicky2 will start in '36, I'd say three years would be enough to re-establish a functional, if inadequate bureaucracy. Is this the end of MotE? I mean this seems like a very uneasy peace and if the war comes in a year then it's probably best played out in MotE rather than Vicky2. I do however suspect that no one will win before '36 so a few events or something will probably be needed for a continuation of the war. Unless they can do some kind of peace of Westphalia thing where it's basically the last big war about this and both sides can live with each other relatively peacefully. On a side note I'm looking forward to fascist Poland. 
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 Epilogue: The Peace of Pressburg Delegates from all over Europe gather in Pressburg for the peace conference in March of 1833. Though all nations are allowed their say on the conference floor, the real deliberations go on behind closed doors as the Great Powers attempt to find an agreeable new power balance in Europe. The dealing and wrangling goes on for months until finally Russia, Germany and Italy make a joint announcement that they have reached an agreement.  The peace treaty is largely based on de facto control of territories at the end of the war, favoring nations such as Sweden whose control of Finland is recognized, though they are forced to relinquish a buffer territory around Lake Ladoga and renounce their control over Mecklenburg in exchange for German support.   As the most prominent fighting power on the Polish front, Germany makes significant territorial gains including the important port of Danzig, while Bohemia is rewarded for its suffering by having their claims to Silesia recognized.  Russia also takes a chunk out of Polish Galicia, while the rest remains a republic in the Russian sphere of influence.  Great Britain and the Netherlands, though gaining no territories in Europe, have used the war as a prextext to seize colonies from Portugal and Spain, with Great Britain annexing Cuba, Jamaica, Bermuda and the Bahamas, while the Netherlands have captured a number of Spanish island holdings.  Italy is rewarded with its captured Croatian and Albanian possessions, as well as guarantees of a free hand in pursuing their 'ancient' claims to Ragusa.  Finally, Russia achieves a long desired goal - recognized hegemony over the Black Sea and the Bosporus through the creation of a puppet Bosporan Republic at the expense of Greece, Bulgaria and Anatolia. Nominally an independent Greek Republic with its capital in Constantinople, in reality the new state is almost completely under Russian control.  Greece, in no position to resist Russia and with no friends in West, is 'compensated' with Cyprus.  Owing to its loyal performance in the war and Russian desire for good relations, Anatolia is rather more generously compensated for the loss of Cyprus and Izmit by the return of Dagestan and reunion of nearly all of its Azeri and Georgian populations.  The Peace of Pressburg has finally brought an end to the Revolutionary Wars and confirmed what has now become a deep divide between the conservative, Monarchist West and liberal, Republican East. As the fires of revolution die down and national interests reassert themselves, what kind of future will such a deeply divided Europe build?  That's it for MOTE! I am going on vacation tomorrow for several weeks away from the computer, but when I get back I will port the V2 scenario to HOD (shouldn't take very long) and keep on playing through V2. There will be some additional adjustments for V2, such as releasing the large puppets (Anatolia, Bulgaria and Poland mainly) and turning them into spherelings instead, as well as a minor time skip from '33 to '36. All in all, I'm quite happy with the result of retconning the AHD chapters, as I feel I was able to do the Revolutionary Wars justice in MOTE and I think we're now in a very interesting position for V2. Wiz fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Jun 16, 2013 |
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Jun 16, 2013 22:52
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With Aleppo being independent, our border with Persua is much prettier.
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Bulgaria's (1-31) is the best part of the map. You still have the V2 banner, yeah?
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 Congrat's on another Paradox game LP'd!
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sniper4625 posted:Bulgaria's (1-31) is the best part of the map. Yup.
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What of the world outside Europe? Any ideas on India/Asia/China?
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Wiz posted:The Peace of Pressburg has finally brought an end to the Revolutionary Wars and confirmed what has now become a deep divide between the conservative, Monarchist West and liberal, Republican East. As the fires of revolution die down and national interests reassert themselves, what kind of future will such a deeply divided Europe build? Hmmm.... http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xz8pyd_blackadder-how-did-the-war-start_shortfilms NihilCredo fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Jun 16, 2013 |
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Jun 16, 2013 23:00
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ThePutty posted:What of the world outside Europe? Any ideas on India/Asia/China? For the most part, I'm just going to assume everyone else was in glorious stasis because it's only been ten years and whatever changes I made would be completely arbitrary. Some colonies will shift around, that's about it.
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Well, that could've ended worse for us. What're the Azeri provinces the Russians still own?
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Kavak posted:Well, that could've ended worse for us. What're the Azeri provinces the Russians still own? There's some small minorities in the Caucasus in V2, but no majority or even significant minority provinces. We got our Azeris back.
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There are going to be Astrakhan cores to prevent the Russians from assimilating our Jews, right?
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I wonder what shmuck the Russians got to be leader of the Dosporan Republic. His job has got to suck.Top Hats Monthly posted:I can't tell f we won or lost Azerbaijan lost, but the Monarchists seemed to fulfill more of their goals. At the very least, there are less Republican states than there were pre-war.
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Top Hats Monthly posted:I can't tell f we won or lost In terms of territory we definitely lost, and while being liberal will be nice for full citizenship, Laissez Faire is not so great for the economy of an unindustrialized country in V2. So we'll see!
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NihilCredo posted:Hmmm.... So all the poor old poles died for nothing?
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NihilCredo posted:Hmmm.... I think after the devastation of this last conflict everyone in Europe will be quite averse to fighting each other again for some time honestly. Top Hats Monthly posted:I can't tell f we won or lost We lost territory that would be too much of a bother to control in the first place and we became a democracy in the process so I count it as a win. 
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YF-23 posted:I think after the devastation of this last conflict everyone in Europe will be quite averse to fighting each other again for some time honestly. For about 31 year, you mean?
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