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Ofaloaf posted:It's harder coming up with ship names that aren't just place-names or some adjective related to power. We'll name our flagship the Tolerator.
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a pipe smoking dog posted:Now that Circassia is in our sphere is there any way to peacefully annex them and get our Azeri pops back? I'm pretty sure the only peaceful way we could get them is if Wiz wrote a special event for it. Otherwise we'd need to unsphere them and invade.
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Jeeze, the revolution is being exported hardcore. Fascism doesn't seem to be making much headway, but i kind of expect a liberal/communist great war before the end of V2 at this rate. Is the UK-US led "monarchist bloc" really a seperate thing or are they largely aligned with one of the other (non-communist) movements? It seems like we have a 4 axis split, assuming the Italians don't just buddy up to the UK.
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I could see the UK teaming up with Italy to fight Burgundy. The real question is who Anatolia and the German and Russian Alliance end up fighting.
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Riso posted:Yeah, generating hundreds if not thousands of ministers and leaders is the worst thing about conversions. It's somewhat monotonous and time-consuming, but it's not the worst thing, especially if it's decided to go with wholly fictional figures-- that way there's practically no research needed, so then you just get a list of names for the country and get as many portraits of soldiers as you can for them (avoiding recognizable figures like MacArthur, Petain, Zhukov, etc.) and you're good to go. Ministers are even easier, because the only trick is use any portrait that isn't of a popular historical politician-- all of Borealia's civilian ministers thus far are actually pictures of Lutheran pastors, for example.
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You know, if we throw in with the communists and win, we'd come out of the war as the pre-eminent power given the beating burgundy would take. Risky though.
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 Chapter 17: Black Wave (1915 - 1920) Japan continues its unchecked expansion in East Asia, conquering Brunei in 1915 and the invading and annexing the Philippines in 1918.   The Kingdom of Bohemia invades Communist Poland, making some early gains and occupying Silesia, but are forced back across the border by a Polish counterattack. As the Poles cross the border into Bohemia, Germany gets nervous and threatens to intervene in the Czechs' defense unless peace is signed. Unwilling to take on the German Army, the Poles agree to a white peace.   Britain, unhappy with the tolls exacted by Anatolian authorities on ships passing through Suez, begins to expand its influence in Egypt in an attempt to take control of the canal.  The Anatolian government is quick to respond by sending the Anatolian navy on an 'exercise' in Egyptian waters, and a few days later Egypt agrees to cancel its treaties with Britain in exchange for a greater percentage of the Suez tolls.   The elections of 1916 are a great victory for the fascist Birlik party, who get almost a third of the vote. Though the Socialist coalition holds on to power, the Fascist movement and their message of reclaiming ancient Azerbaijani lands and rightful Anatolian dominance the Middle East is clearly gaining a lot of traction.   Italy annexes another stretch of land from the crumbling Mughal regime in 1917, now controlling almost the entire Indian coast.  Another diplomatic crisis is sparked in 1918, as Russia backs the nascent Slovanian Independence movement in yet another attempt to sow division in Europe. This time however, the attempt backfires, as the European Great Powers rally against Russian intervention. In the end, it is Russia that is forced to give up a stretch of contested land to Finland to avoid war.   This humilation results in a massive surge of popular support for Russia's Fascist party, who have long criticized the Russian foreign policy of keeping Europe divided as aiding in the rise of Communist states. The Russian 1919 party sees the Fascist party become the single biggest party in Russia, and they form a government together with a number of smaller parties on the right-wing fringe.  Their first act in government is to end their alliance with Burgundy and replace with an alliance with their fellow Fascists in Rome. Internally, they outlaw a number of radical left-wing parties in an effort to crack down on 'left-wing terrorism'.  The new Russian regime also takes a hardline stance against Tabriz, warning the Anatolian ambassador in Moscow that the internal affairs of Circassia are no businsess of Anatolia's.  All across the world, Fascism is gaining traction. For the historical losers of Europe, the Fascist message is a seductive one and Fascist governments have risen in a number of smaller states, either through democratic elections or simply by seizing power in a coup. With Italy and Russia both firmly in the Fascist camp, it seems as though the Black Flags are in ascendance.     As the year turns from 1919 to 1920, it seems that three distinct power blocs have formed in the world. The British government has been leading the fight to maintain the Western Monarchies. Though it has suffered a number of setbacks from the rise of Communism and Fascism, London remains a power to be reckoned with, particularily if the Germans were to join their cause.  The Burgundian Socialist Republic is the undisputed leader of the Communist Internationale, as both the first and the most powerful of the communist regimes. Disposing over an army as large and powerful as Russia's, and maintaining close links with the other Socialist regimes of Europe, Burgundy views its mission as nothing less than the spread of Socialism across the entire world.  Russia under the Facists remains a Republic, but one where civil rights and democracy are being curtailed in the hunt for Communist infiltrators. While its internal struggles keep it occupied for the time being, there can be no doubt that Moscow has its sights set on Circassia and Poland, a course of action that is sure to bring it into conflict with both Britain and Burgundy.   This is where I am going to end V2 and convert to Darkest Hour. While I originally planned to go on to 1936, I feel as though the faction setup we have now works very well, and I can just mod DH to move tech dates back to suit the date (so 1936 techs become 1920, 1939 become 1923 and so on). V2 wars really wouldn't work very well for the kind of conflict we have brewing here, and 16 years of nothing happening wouldn't make much sense either. Epilogue with SOTW coming up sometime later today. Wiz fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Jul 30, 2014 |
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With Germany being a constitutional monarchy with progressive social reforms that outpace our own, I have to wonder... why are we not buddying up with the Germans? They seem to be the only other great nation that actually cares about the welfare of its citizenry, shouldn't we have some common ground with them on that, at least? fake edit: Oh hey, new update. With Facist Russia on the border, that could get reeeeeal ugly...
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Well, I finally caught up. Most fun Vicky (part) LP that's been done I think. Looking forward to the last 100 years.
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Ah poo poo. Goddammit Russia. Here's hoping Germany and Anatolia can keep the dream of democracy alive.
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So how long will DH run to?
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The idealist in me says we should go with the "monarchists" here (since there are no real democratic Allies like in OTL WW2 for us to side with). The realist in me says we should definitely go with the Fascists here, because any other choice will lead to us being murdered by Russia.
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Ugh what a tedious turn of events.
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Lawman 0 posted:So how long will DH run to? Until WW2 is resolved, pretty much. No set date.
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Well that's not a good sign. I guess fascist Russia makes a good end boss, though. I presume our fascists are a rallying of the old conservatives around a new platform that also appeals to the Azeri and Turkish middle class, bitter about money going to Greeks and layabouts. Who can blame the communists in Burgundy for not trusting democracy, given what 'enlightened' democracies like Anatolia and Russia are up to in the polling place?
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So, the Axis (or whatever the Fascist bloc calls itself) is made up of Russia, Italy, Hungary, Serbia and maybe Holland and Bohemia. The Comintern is Burgundy, Poland, Catalonia, Sweden and Norway. The Monarchist bloc is UK, Castille, Portugal, and maybe Germany, Finland and Bavaria. Wildcards are: KoA, Japan, and of course, Anatolia. Seems pretty decent. It's not looking good for the Comintern though.
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Well this is interesting. God speed Ofaloaf.
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crimea posted:So, the Axis (or whatever the Fascist bloc calls itself) is made up of Russia, Italy, Hungary, Serbia and maybe Holland and Bohemia. There will be some pre-war years in DH and I will add some events that can flip nations. America has been having issues with both Communist and Fascist revolts, so I figure there's a chance for them going any faction in DH, same with Zhen... and Japan is run by militant Socialists (not commies, democratically elected Socialists), so that might be another Comintern member.
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How much of this was the game playing itself, and how much was Wiz setting us up for an awesome DH scenario by guiding events to fit the narrative? Either way, World War 2 is looking like it's going to be a doozie in the Azeriverse. Those fascists at home are scary. Will we see a Spain-style civil war in our brave little republic before WW2 sparks? 
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Wiz posted:While I originally planned to go on to 1936, I feel as though the faction setup we have now works very well, and I can just mod DH to move tech dates back to suit the date (so 1936 techs become 1920, 1939 become 1923 and so on). No need, DH Full's tech tree goes back to the 19th century already.
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Riso posted:No need, DH Full's tech tree goes back to the 19th century already. Yeah, but I don't want to fight with WW1 tech.
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Drone posted:How much of this was the game playing itself, and how much was Wiz setting us up for an awesome DH scenario by guiding events to fit the narrative? Either way, World War 2 is looking like it's going to be a doozie in the Azeriverse. I did a bunch of modding to strengthen commies and fascists overall, but I did not directly pick who went what or anything.
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How are our fortifications along the northern border? Badly insufficient, but how badly insufficient?
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I wonder, is southern Castille really Castillian? Shouldn't it be Catalan, or at least Andalusian? I can't claim to remember how and when Aragon annexed Castille, but I wonder if it really should have more than half the Spanish land. I'm very interested to see what the American Bloc does in the end. It seems that, with the world being what it is, it would throw its hat with the Monarchists, while Japan-Anatolia form a Socialist-Republican Bloc interested in returning Free Elections to the increasingly dictatorial Russia (and with that as, more or less, its only initial agenda). But anything could happen. I'll wait 'till the SotW before making any rash decisions.
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Luhood posted:I wonder, is southern Castille really Castillian? Shouldn't it be Catalan, or at least Andalusian? I can't claim to remember how and when Aragon annexed Castille, but I wonder if it really should have more than half the Spanish land. Castile has significant Catalan minorities, especially in the south.
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Wiz posted:There will be some pre-war years in DH and I will add some events that can flip nations. America has been having issues with both Communist and Fascist revolts, so I figure there's a chance for them going any faction in DH, same with Zhen... and Japan is run by militant Socialists (not commies, democratically elected Socialists), so that might be another Comintern member. Oh, that's decent. Having Zhen and America being able to go either way will help keep things entertaining, as well as possibly balancing out the sides a little. I'd also like to suggest that the Russian fascist cabinet be made of figures from the White side of the Russian Civil War. Alexander Kolchak, Pyotr Wrangel, etc.
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Wiz posted:Yeah, but I don't want to fight with WW1 tech. You can just give more techs to the countries. 
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Riso posted:You can just give more techs to the countries. And then have nothing to research because all techs are too far ahead.
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Ofaloaf posted:Man, why'd you let Red Egypt not be a thing? Sure, they'd be a threat to the Suez Canal, but Red Egypt. Oh man, I'd be so down for this. Battleships should be named after great leaders from all of our constituent cultural groups. Carriers should be named after our greatest victory. Our flagship should be the rear end Defense of Tabriz. Haha, I just realized that our ship names would be preceded by rear end.
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What is the relationship between the Azeri Fascists and the Russian Fascists? They both seem to have overlapping territorial claims, which may mean that even if Azerbaijan goes Fascist, we may still align with an anti-Russian bloc. Also, what minorities do the Azeri Fascists actually hate? "Azerbaijan Dawn" has converted many Armenians to fascism, which is surprising, but the Armenians have mostly converted to Sunni Islam and some have even assimilated themselves as Turks, so it's possible that the Azeri Fascists has treated Armenians as "honorary Turks", and reserve all their hatred for the Ionians.
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This is it, then. This war is our last, best chance at reclaiming Our Jews from the fascist oppressor!
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Servant posted:What is the relationship between the Azeri Fascists and the Russian Fascists? They both seem to have overlapping territorial claims, which may mean that even if Azerbaijan goes Fascist, we may still align with an anti-Russian bloc. Yeah, given that Armenians didn't even rise up after the Great War I think we can safely call them an assimilated minority by now. Ionians and Arab/Persian/Indian immigrants would likely be the primary target of Fascist groups.
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The relationship between OTL Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany was pretty icy at times, particularly over Austria (which Italy saw as being in its little sphere, and which the Nazis obviously saw as a future part of the Reich). In the end though they got over it and fought together in WW2, so I imagine it'd be the same between us and Russia if we went fascist (please don't go fascist, please. We had a Wiz Does Fascism LP once already.)
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TheMcD posted:The idealist in me says we should go with the "monarchists" here (since there are no real democratic Allies like in OTL WW2 for us to side with). I can see a Con Mon/Communist/Democracy v Fascist split, especially if Russia's fascists end the republic. Russia, Bohemia, Italy, and the Balkans vs. England, Burgundy, Germany and Anatolia. Meanwhile, Japan takes over all of Asia and the Kingdom of America avoids all the destruction of the second world war. This all went pear shaped in a hurry. Why did you have to go nuts, Russia?! You were such a paragon of freedom! eta: Heck, WW2 can even be started with the invasion of Poland again! habeasdorkus fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Jan 5, 2014 |
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My favorite random thing to come out of the Red Wave: Yes, that's independent Communist Swaziland.
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Wiz posted:My favorite random thing to come out of the Red Wave: Swaziland vs Naziland?
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Drone posted:The relationship between OTL Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany was pretty icy at times, particularly over Austria (which Italy saw as being in its little sphere, and which the Nazis obviously saw as a future part of the Reich). In the end though they got over it and fought together in WW2, so I imagine it'd be the same between us and Russia if we went fascist (please don't go fascist, please. We had a Wiz Does Fascism LP once already.) I concur, I don't think there's a future in fascism. Russia may be strong, but we've seen they can't take on Europe by themselves, and Italy is only good at beating up the Mughals. I want us to go Democratic Also we could assume that Reactionary governments like Greece and the Baltic Republic will also drift to the Axis? Considering they're also in the spheres of Italy and Russia, respectively. crimea fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Jan 5, 2014 |
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