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Rejected Fate posted:So under Semisalic Gavelkind when our boy-Sultan dies and if he has multiple male heirs, the Sultanate will be split under the titles, right? So we've the king title for Azerbaijan and Khwarizm, so Khwarizm under this situation would become it's own nation again. Does Azerbaijan still make any land gains at the end of this situation? Any lands outside Persia would remain with Azerbaijan, so it depends entirely on future conquests. At the moment we have three king titles (Azerbaijan, Khwarizm, Persia) so we can potentially split into 3 kingdoms.
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Wiz posted:Any lands outside Persia would remain with Azerbaijan, so it depends entirely on future conquests. At the moment we have three king titles (Azerbaijan, Khwarizm, Persia) so we can potentially split into 3 kingdoms. Alright. Guess it's time to kill some infidels and steal their land! Or steal it back! Whichever!  I've never played Crusader Kings, is trade through the Silk Road reflected in anyway? I think there was some flow of trade through there at this point of time.
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Aug 10, 2011 01:26
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Are you planning on sticking with Gavelkind all through CK?
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Rejected Fate posted:Alright. Only in that some of the provinces along it are very rich. Atsushogob posted:Are you planning on sticking with Gavelkind all through CK? Yes.
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Aug 10, 2011 01:29
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Oh man, this jihad is about to get real.
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Aug 10, 2011 01:31
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Wiz posted:Yes. Well this'll make campaigns interesting since most of our territory is in danger of disappearing if our ruler is too prolific and takes a Christian lance.
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Aug 10, 2011 01:32
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frankenfreak posted:This being Crusader Kings, it will be fun to see how long it will last. Twelvers seems to be the most plausible...it is the majority Shia faith today, and the whole Ismaili fatih was likely discredited after Saladin's takeover of the Fatimids (though not entirely, they still exist today). But it is possible for this King to be a Sevener. By Seveners, I'm assuming you mean those who are awaiting Muħammad ibn Ismā'īl al-Maktum, the Eight Imam to return, and do not believe in Ismailis' claim to represent Muħammad ibn Ismā'īl al-Maktum has already returned and formed the Fatimid Caliphate. EDIT: Actually, no, a branch of the Ismailis (the "Nizaris") fled the Fatimid Caliphate during its last days and fled to Iran. There's enough time for an Ismaili Imam to be a puppet of a secular Shia government in this alternate history. The Nizaris today compose the majority of Ismailis. EDIT2: Wiz in the chat says that this King is most likely a Twelver, following in line with OTL Azeris. Servant fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Aug 10, 2011 |
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Aww, seveners are the coolest. They get to follow around an invincible warlord at the end of the day. Until he gets defeated and it turns out they were wrong and everyone gets kind of 
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Aug 10, 2011 01:48
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Have lots of sons, Wiz! Or set inheritance to allow females and watch things really fragment.
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Aug 10, 2011 01:51
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So let's say our current king dies and has two sons. One inherits Khwarizm and the other inherits Azerbaijan. Does the newly-formed Khwarizm Kingdom have some "default" set of laws, or does it have all the same laws as Azerbaijan? I can see our semisalic gavelkind doing a lot of long-term damage to the region if the latter is the case.
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Aug 10, 2011 01:53
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quote:sufi stuff Wiz posted:Sunni Islam seems to be failing everywhere in the Middle East. The last remaining Muslim Great Power, Khwarizm, is governed by Shiites. Wedged in between Khwarizm and Georgia, Kasim makes a radical decision to gain the goodwill of the Shah - he proclaims that the Ildeguzid dynasty has adopted Shiite Islam and that Ali was the true heir of the prophet. MY IMMERSION quote:World Map 
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Aug 10, 2011 02:02
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So, who's going first? Jerusalem or Georgia?
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V. Illych L. posted:So, who's going first? Jerusalem or Georgia? Jerusalem, then straight through to the Holy Land.
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V. Illych L. posted:So, who's going first? Jerusalem or Georgia? It's called Crusader Kings for a reason. Time to reclaim some holy land 
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Jerusalem is still a bit intimidating. We should topple the pillars that support it. For now, the heathens of Georgia must die.
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Aug 10, 2011 02:27
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Georgia has taken land that belongs to Azerbaijan. Take those back and then some more to teach them a lesson.
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Geez Wiz, are you sure you're going to surv- Oh...  That was unexpected.I'm sure this conversion to Shi'a is just until the world is prepared to know the might of Psychadelic Islam. Wiz posted:World Map A new sultanate in Iberia, a strong HRE, mega-Jerusalem, Armenia... This game is going to be interesting. Frionnel fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Aug 10, 2011 |
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I'd like to claim full and complete credit for the blessings of Allah coming upon us for finally performing my duties in the call to prayer.  Put thy faith in Allah and and submit unto him and He shall reward thee!Speaking of which, best keep the good times rolling! يا رب، افتح أنت شفتي، وفمي وتظهر عليها الثناء خاصتك طوبى لك ، أيها الرب إلهنا وإله آبائنا، إله إبراهيم وإله إسحق وإله يعقوب ، إله عظيم ، عظيم ومقدس، والله العلي الذي يمنح الشفقة المحبة، خالق كل شيء ، الذي يذكر حسنات الآباء، والذي يجلب المخلص لأبناء أبنائهم من أجل اسمه، في الحب أيها الملك، المساعد، المنقذ والدرع طوبى لك يا رب، درع إبراهيم
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The main security threat to all Muslims is the Crusader States. Removing them from the equation will make reclaiming the backward pagan province of Derbent much easier. Also, we have a truce with Georgia at the moment so we can't really declare war on Georgia right now anyway.
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I'd like to follow you with a fitting prayer, sayedy Tomn الحصول طرقت أسفل لكن أستيقظ مرة أخرى كنت أبدا لإبقاء لي اسفل الحصول طرقت أسفل لكن أستيقظ مرة أخرى كنت أبدا لإبقاء لي اسفل الحصول طرقت أسفل لكن أستيقظ مرة أخرى كنت أبدا لإبقاء لي اسفل الحصول طرقت أسفل لكن أستيقظ مرة أخرى كنت أبدا لإبقاء لي اسفل Türkçe version: Ben aşağı çaldı olsun Ama tekrar ayağa kalkmasını Beni tutmak için asla Ben aşağı çaldı olsun Ama tekrar ayağa kalkmasını Beni tutmak için asla Ben aşağı çaldı olsun Ama tekrar ayağa kalkmasını Beni tutmak için asla Frionnel fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Aug 10, 2011 |
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Servant posted:The main security threat to all Muslims is the Crusader States. Removing them from the equation will make reclaiming the backward pagan province of Derbent much easier. Also, we have a truce with Georgia at the moment so we can't really declare war on Georgia right now anyway. Yes we can. It costs 100 prestige but it's not like EUIII that crashes your stability when you break a truce.
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Frionnel posted:Geez Wiz, are you sure you're going to surv- Oh... Not as much as you might think. Remember that every single state on that map is one bad ruler or group of bad events from totally fracturing. Seriously, it is how my Duke of Flanders ended up being the strongest vassal of the Holy Baltic Empire while the independent south warred against itself. edit: which happened in about 3 years or so.
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Frionnel posted:I'd like to follow you with a fitting prayer, sayedy Tomn Indeed, as the poets tell us, نحن الأبطال، يا أصدقائي وسوف نستمر في القتال حتى النهاية نحن الأبطال نحن الأبطال لا وقت للخاسرين لأننا أبطال العالم
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Frionnel posted:I'd like to follow you with a fitting prayer, sayedy Tomn Truly the holiest of prayers.
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Wiz posted:World Map Is that big Muslim state of Kirkuk in Iberia related to the Iraqi Kirkuk? Certainly wouldn't be out of the ordinary for al-Andalus (or CK for that matter), but still kinda odd. Tomn posted:The Islamic Emperor of Orthodox Byzantium, with Semi-Salic Gavelkind? Muslims getting accidentally elected to strong Christian state is always a recipe for hijinks, since they pretty much always go on immediate and unexpected jihads. I had an AI Venice elect a Muslim courtier in 1090 or so and by 1100 he had conquered nearly all of Italy with his Venetian doomstack.
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Its a little sad that the map is just over this region of europe, otherwise expanding east would make sense... How will you handle everything east of you when you switch over to EU3? I guess its a bit early to say still, but since we are so close to it, how things turns out for Azerbaijan must have some effect on it right?
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Terrifying Effigies posted:Is that big Muslim state of Kirkuk in Iberia related to the Iraqi Kirkuk? Yes it is. In fact, we've seen this Kirkuk before: Wiz posted:The Seljuks still control a small fraction of their empire in the Sultanate of Rum, and other splinter states of roughly equal power to us include the Sultan of Kirkuk and the Sultan of Erzerum. Wiz just conveniently forgot to mention this fact in his update because it was so bizarre.
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On my current CK game (I'm playing Apulia -> Sicily -> Italy) I just saw the fastest blob disappearence I have ever seen. Hungary was motherfucking huge. It had Austra, Bavaria, Bohemia, a lot of territory in Italy around Toscana region (which was pissing me off) Almost all of Ireland and was winning a war against Germany which meant they would grow even more. Except that their king died, was inherited by a 1 year old baby and everyone and their mothers declared independence pretty fast. In just a few years Hungary went from the biggest blob on Europe to a 4 province miner with a single loyal subject. The bad part is, Germany grew into some space Hungary left and now it's germany that owns those pieces of Italy that I want to conquer. Still the growth and disintegration of Hungary was really something.
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Though we must avenge the insult of the loss of Derbent, reclaiming the distant Mosque of al-Quds and expelling the Crusaders from Medina both take precedence. The second and third most sacred sites of our faith, the oasis Muhammad took refuge in and built his umma in and the holy city that Suleiman and Isa loved, are in infidel hands. Let us offer the Crusaders a two-for-one on our standard "The Koran or the Sword" offer. May all true Azeri and Persian ghazis hear the call! Inshallah! Onwards to al-Quds and Medina!
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Aug 10, 2011 03:32
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I propose this as the Azerbaijani National Anthem: أحب الخيل أفضل من جميع الحيوانات أحب الخيل انهم أصدقائي I think I copied that right...
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Aug 10, 2011 03:33
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Whitecloak posted:I propose this as the Azerbaijani National Anthem: I am in full agreement with this plan, and I don't doubt that Flavius Belisairus is as well.
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Terrifying Effigies posted:Is that big Muslim state of Kirkuk in Iberia related to the Iraqi Kirkuk? Certainly wouldn't be out of the ordinary for al-Andalus (or CK for that matter), but still kinda odd. Yeah, the Sultanate of Kirkuk in Iraq inherited Valencia, so that's why they're over in Iberia.
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Hutter posted:Its a little sad that the map is just over this region of europe, otherwise expanding east would make sense... Still thinking about that but yes, it won't be exactly vanilla. I was thinking I might write a bunch of historical deviations (with not entirely clear consequenses) and let you vote on them, then create the rest of the world out of those votes.
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Whitecloak posted:I propose this as the Azerbaijani National Anthem: You know what would be cool? Horse Archers. Sadly that will probably never happen.
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Aug 10, 2011 03:39
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Huh, Azerbaijan is also known as the land of the eternal fire. That is the most badass nickname for a country ever.
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Rejected Fate posted:Huh, Azerbaijan is also known as the land of the eternal fire. I'm willing to bet that that's a leftover from Zoroastrianism.
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Frionnel posted:You know what would be cool? Horse Archers. Sadly that will probably never happen. As far as I know, CK DOES have Horse Archers. Mongol Horse Archers. Maybe we can capture some and convert them to the True Faith! Edit: poo poo, I just realized you were probably aware of that. I need to go to sleep.
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Whitecloak posted:I propose this as the Azerbaijani National Anthem:  Twas our finest hour.
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 Two updates in one night. I'm spoiling you, I know. Chapter 5: Jihad (1220 - 1230) The organization of the Azerbaijani empire into Emirates continues, giving Ertan prestige and a slightly less difficult time managing his many vassals.  In 1222, right as Ertan is about to turn 16, Regent Kasim bestows on him one last gift before departing court for his Emirate - the tutelage of a famed Arab emissary who teaches him some much-needed lessons in the arts of diplomacy.  Though he picks up some diplomatic skills, Ertan's interests are and remain tactics. A good tactician if not a particularily able strategist, he is a lustful, temperamental, cruel and vengeful man - a particularily nasty combination that makes him suited to warfare and not much else.   As Ertan ascends to the throne, his first act is to enact major reforms in the Azerbaijan's system of government, breaking with traditional customs and dividing the power of the empire between its Beys and warlords, gaining their support for the coming wars. He also seizes control of many religious institutions and dips into the funds set aside for charities to recruit troops, to the loud and vigorous protests of the Ulema.  He takes the eldest daughter of the Abbasid Caliph as his bride, gaining a large dowry and greatly strengthening relations with his allies.    He continues to raise taxes on the merchants and peasantry and seize funds from schools and hospitals, building up a massive warchest.  A son is born to him in late 1227, and with the dynasty secure, he finally feels ready to begin his conquests.  His first target is Jerusalem, and war is declared in spring of 1228.  The armies of Azerbaijan, Khwarizm and Persia are assembled, and soon sixty thousand warriors flock to the banners, ready to march on the holy land.   Warlords, bandits and adventurers also flock to his banners as Ghazi, hoping for a chance to prove themselves to Allah and earn loot and slaves from Ertan's conquered enemies.  First to feel Ertan's wrath are the Templar Knights in Kurdistan. The province is attacked, looted and their castles seized.  The Templars attempt to appease the attackers with the offer of ceding Kurdistan, but Ertan is not after such scraps.  The first major battle takes place outside Al Jazira, as a crusader army of 6000 is defeated on the field by Ertan himself and his army of 8000.  The crusaders counter-attack in Sinjar, scattering a second Azeri army and retaking Kurdistan, but such reversals are only temporary.  Soon, the weight of numbers begin to tell, and the crusader armies suffer defeat after defeat.  Ertan himself pushes deep into enemy land, taking Damascus and subjecting it to a three-day bloodbath that earns Ertan the nickname 'Butcherer'.  By mid-1229, after a year and a half of campaigning, huge tracts of land have been taken and Ertan stands at the gates of Jerusalem.  Here, Queen Sibylla has arranged a final, desperate defense of some 3000 troops, but they cannot hold back the inevitable.  Jerusalem falls and Muslim troops pour into the city, killing all christians they see and filling the streets with blood as vengeance for the crusaders' sack of the city in 1099.  The last holdout of the Templars also falls, and their lands and casles are seized.  Though Jerusalem is vanquished, Ertan's troops have been in the field for a long time and he is facing increasing pressure from both his men and his vassals to halt the campaign and divide the spoils already conquered. Finally he gives in, signing a truce with Queen Sibylla that takes a full two-thirds of Jerusalem's land, leaving only their southern holdings.  In two years, Ertan has acheived a complete reversal of the gains made by Crusaders over a century. His prestige and glory is unmatched, and there is is just one little problem...   
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I offered a Turk translation of my prayers in the original post, you all should do the same and use the mother language (of the ruling elite). Edit: Update! Also, bye, Persia, it was nice knowing you. Frionnel fucked around with this message at 04:06 on Aug 10, 2011 |
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