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ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

I've lost twice, I've failed twice and I've gotten two dishonorable mentions within 7 weeks. But I keep coming back. I am The Trooper!

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Kavak posted:

If we get conquered, can we tag switch to whoever takes control of us? Because I can really see that happening.

CK is one of the easier games to deal with a possible annexation, just pledge alliance to whoever is beating you and become part of his realm. Your kingdom may fall, but your lineage will live on.

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ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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YeOldeButchere posted:

But no worries, unless they've fixed it, you'll never ever catch up to the UK in military score or industrial power as they'll have ten times that of the closest nation after industrializing and drafting all of India. So when the ol' chaps come down on you for a jolly good time of white man burdening, it won't really matter if you're "civilized" or not, unless you're China.

I don't know, I managed to beat back France, USA and the UK (in different wars) as Egypt after Modernizing, while maintaining the fourth largest army in the world. Also, it is Le Blob that has the absolute industrial score, since they slowed down the assimilation rates for colonies.

Military score is now based on supplies used, thus an indicative of army quality, as techs will also increase the supply consumption of armies. The game still has some big flaws, but this area isn't one of them.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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BlackJosh posted:

To be fair, though, that's a fairly recent, 20th century thing. The world at the beginning of the twentieth century and before that was very blobby. For example, basically the whole huge continent of Africa was carved up between basically a few European powers and really only Ethiopia being completely independent during that time, as well as large chunks of the rest of the world controlled by those same powers. The number of states that exist in the world has shot up considerably since passing through the world wars and the fall of the Soviet Union.

Yeah, just look at the start of Victoria, even in Europe there are a lot less countries than exists now. That's imperialism for you.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

I've lost twice, I've failed twice and I've gotten two dishonorable mentions within 7 weeks. But I keep coming back. I am The Trooper!

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Patter Song posted:

Our calendar starts with the day our Prophet left his hometown for the prosperous oasis of Medina. Let us start a new calendar from the day we spilled the Crusaders' blood and reclaimed this second-holiest of cities.

Also, look at what the cartographers bring us, the Christian powers of al-Andalus have been broken, truly Allah has seem fit to bring justice to this world.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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Brunei is actually a drat good SE Asia country to play as.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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Pakled posted:

If he was in the Serbia LP he would have been elected Emperor in a heartbeat.

What makes you think we didn't? Sniper, you are the next Srbja player, you know what to do.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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farraday posted:

I wonder if it is a Nones splinter that provides all the anonymous commanders. Obviously they've given up pacifism but they are still not skilled at war.

They are militant pacifists.

They expedite wars by illustrating the futility of violence through incompetence.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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Pakled posted:

Lucky Nations is paradox's way of subtly pushing for historical results. The root problem is that the AI is too retarded to handle large empires, so without lucky nations you have England and France (post-HTTT, anyway) and Muscovy and Castile collapsing nearly every single game.

Personally, I play with Lucky Nations off.

I favour lucky nations set at random, so we can get different blobs coming up. Occasionally I set luck=yes (in the save) for AI nations that have done well to make sure they don't just collapse from a few bad decisions.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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Hey, al-Andalus exists!

Those are some surprisingly pretty borders. Are you planning to convert province values, at least around Azerjiban Wiz? I take it the improvements you are making should at the very least make them worthwhile compared to what they are in EU3.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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1) No
2) No
3) Yes
4) No
5) Yes

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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Patter Song posted:


Timuberia. You know you want it.

Fixed that for you.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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Patter Song posted:

London is expensive and hard to convert even in Vanilla...in Wizmod, a heretical London would become a serious liability to England. Also, given the AI's naval issues, heretical Osel would have a serious chance at hilarity, narrow straits or no. Also, giving our Dutch Crusaders a very cushy mission and bonus for converting Osel might be good to give them Crusader-ish stuff to do.

Hell, Heretical London has a good chance of spawning heretic rebels that would force England to convert, which as far as early game events go is not half bad.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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Wiz posted:

Heretic rebels do not convert a country, they just add temporary heresies.

I am sorry, semantics. I meant that an heretic province could belong to an heretic religion and would spawn religious rebels which could in turn convert the state.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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Nakar posted:

I think some numbers were crunched on the Paradox strategy forum and it was determined that colonies are actually never profitable. Not even the good ones.

That's also ignoring that the trade goods from your colonies will go to your CoTs, which increases the tax value of those provinces as well as the value from trading there _and_ they increase your naval and land forcelimits, which reduce the costs of whatever armies you may have and allows you to field a larger military.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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The Saurus posted:

There's nothing more rational than sticking to the rich coastline and avoiding the poor interior!

There's no point in a war that will not guarantee pretty borders for our descendants. Think of the children!

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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C

Just once I'd like to see Great Britain form in the same century it historically did.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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sniper4625 posted:

Now give us an update please.

No, give us a new LP. The Mann-Lesbos LP.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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Patter Song posted:

Downside: starting out with two disconnected terrible island provinces. Advantage: the best COA in the world, pun-cavalry.

No, make it a multiplayer LP with two players.

Then a PU in EU3.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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Wiz, if you are roleplaying the rulers why haven't you added the "ruler personality" modifiers that are in some mods (originally from SRI, I think)? Taking their attitudes only from the attributes gives you a small pallete to work with, and it's not like there has never been an enthusiastic but utterly incompetent war monger.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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SolidPolonium posted:


Miss any other interesting stories?

Huge war kangoroo arquebusiers fighting dinosaur-mounted lances for supremacy over the wild jungles of Australia.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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B

The Catalans are doing well for themselves in this timeline. Unifying Spain, ruling Britain, I'd imagine Catalan would become the diplomatic language of western Europe for the next few centuries.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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Wiz posted:

It's a one time chance for the AI. North Americans are more likely to modernize than Central/South Americans.

To be fair the main reason why the Central/South Americans didn't have a chance at modernising is that the Spanish conquered them in a heartbeat. Since they had actual states as opposed to tribes they'd have a better chance at modernising if they weren't annexed.

Also I'm quite sure the Cherokee couldn't westernise, they being west of Europe already. So glad MiscMods switched the term to the more neutral "Modernise".

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ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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Here's crossing fingers that the Inca get to modernise. They already survived a few wars with European powers and still control a reasonable territory.

I still think giving better odds for North American natives to modernise is a bad idea, the Inca fell because the Spanish had the best military of the time and hit right in the middle of a succession crisis (and took full advantage of it).

What I'm saying is that I want to see president Tupac.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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Changing my vote from C to .

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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Changing my vote from B to .

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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Ilanin posted:

I'm never entirely sure why inheriting provinces via PU should give cores, to be honest. There's at least one historical precedent for diplomatic annexation not doing so (the 1707 Act of Union between England and Scotland followed by the Jacobite rebellions of 1715 and 1745 - though since those states were also in a PU it's a bit confusing, though clearly this wasn't an "inheritance" since it was during the middle of Queen Anne's reign). I'm not really sure what historical parallels Paradox are using for the inheritance mechanic.

Castella/Aragón.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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Açores rules the waves!

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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This can all be solved simply by forging the Crown of Europa.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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A man can rule the world, and yet his wife will still be his rival. Power, wealth, prestige, he stands alone above the world and hated by the one he chose to stand by his side as equal.

This was your deepest and saddest LP Wiz, I'm literaly in tears. The Tragedy of House Sudrey shall resonate for ages. One Hundred Forty Four Years of Conquests, One Hundred Forty Four Years of Solitude.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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sniper4625 posted:

I hate fighting vassal swarms. Hate it, hate it, hate it.

Third time's the charm, babe.

Also I think the current world conquest record for EU3 is France in the 1600s.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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It is the Civilised culture group, duh.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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Deceitful Penguin posted:

And dammit, we all know too much about European history to really gently caress this up.

What if you called the HRE of Germany?

Oh, wait.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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Every single time I take over an AI nation in an on-going game (either by late joining a MP or switching nations) I always find a bunch of mercenary regiments draining my coffers, so the AI definitely employs them when it runs out of manpower, though it neglects to disband them once the crisis is over.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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Ras Het posted:

A couple of Western European countries = most of the world?

Also China. You know, the one that matters.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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Riso posted:


Why not, there are similarities. Religion and socialism both share the belief that membership in their respective group alone makes them better people than the others, and that only their way brings about salvation.

That's every group, including SA membership, duh.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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Riso posted:

Further proof fascism is a socialist ideology. :smug:

I meant Something Awful Inc, not the Sturmabteilung, but yeah, good point.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

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Tomn posted:

Hang on a tic, is that Zhen at war with Russia over the Bukharan Conquest? Is Russia being double-teamed back and front by two of the largest powers in East and West?

Sure looks like it. Also Poland would have comfortably outnumbered Russia if we had joined it, this may have been quite a wasted opportunity. On the other hand, maybe the Tsar will recognize that we are good neighbors to have.

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ZearothK
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