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me your dad
Jul 25, 2006



supreme weasel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JShePFi-3mU

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Fenrir
Apr 26, 2005

We will fight them to the last. And we will defend those that cannot defend themselves. Today we fight, brothers and sisters. Today we stand up and never, ever relent. Brothers and sisters -- prepare yourselves. Today we go to WAR!


Lipstick Apathy

I've tried many times over the years but I just can't get into early Ween. Chocolate and Cheese? Hell yes, and almost everything since, but the first 3 records still don't do much for me

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002



Fenrir posted:

I've tried many times over the years but I just can't get into early Ween. Chocolate and Cheese? Hell yes, and almost everything since, but the first 3 records still don't do much for me

Some of that stuff is better live and it makes it easier to enjoy. Some of it isnít. Itís not like itís earth shattering music. Itís ok if you donít like it.

thepokey
Jul 20, 2004

Let me start off with a basket of chips. Then move on to the pollo asado taco.

Fenrir posted:

I've tried many times over the years but I just can't get into early Ween. Chocolate and Cheese? Hell yes, and almost everything since, but the first 3 records still don't do much for me

I'm basically the same. There's a few tracks prior to Chocolate and Cheese I love, but everything from that point on is gold to me. But same as the above comment, the live versions of some of the early stuff really shine and turn them into totally different songs. Dr Rock, Sketches of Winkle, Birthday Boy, Never Squeal, Nan (although I love the album version), Tick, Papa Zit, Big Jilm, Pumpin' 4 the Man ... all just killer tracks live!

caligulamprey
Jan 23, 2007

It never stops.

That live Springtheme tho.

Zeluth
May 12, 2001



Yam Slacker

It is like Peter Pan: clap to believe.

Inside you know: that function

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoFRdGsrqTk

CaptainViolence
Apr 19, 2006

I'M GONNA GET YOU DUCK


Yam Slacker

Fenrir posted:

I've tried many times over the years but I just can't get into early Ween. Chocolate and Cheese? Hell yes, and almost everything since, but the first 3 records still don't do much for me

i'm completely the same way. the mollusk is one of my top albums of all time, and when i listen to it it's very apparent to me that it was the turning point where they started using the studio environment to its fullest potential. when i go back to anything before c&c it's hard to not wonder what those songs would be with the sort of execution of the later albums.

i think that's why the live versions are so good. you get the whole band up there putting their stink on those songs and it's just

polyester concept
Mar 29, 2017



I love lo-fi obnoxious poo poo so early ween is perfect for me. Anything before GWS is a little too unpolished, though (they had some cassettes you can find on websites). One time I was listening to The Pod and my speakers weren't hooked up securely - it added a sort of noisy bass distortion to everything and I was asking myself "why does this album sound so much more awesome today?". After I fixed it, I tried to reproduce it again later but could never get it the same.

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


I find it helps to just get super hosed up wasted and then listen to The Pod on repeat.

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012

Now waffles taste good for breakfast but they're not so good to eat in the third period of a hockey game


Altered states of consciousness are pretty necessary for early Ween until it "clicks" then you can appreciate it sober

DoubleCakes
Jan 14, 2015


I still listen to GodWeenSatan from time to time but it's far from my favourite album. I love the Pod and Pure Guava though. They're both those kind of albums that I can pretty much put on whenever. In fact, Pure Guava has slowly climbed my favourite album lists.

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002



DoubleCakes posted:

I still listen to GodWeenSatan from time to time but it's far from my favourite album. I love the Pod and Pure Guava though. They're both those kind of albums that I can pretty much put on whenever. In fact, Pure Guava has slowly climbed my favourite album lists.

Itís good.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.


Pure Guava was my first Ween that someone recorded onto a blank tape back in the day, and playing it still takes me back to listening to it semi-covertly in Spanish class. First listen, the first couple songs went by me as sorta weird, not sure if I dig this, then Push th' Little Daisies came on and it was like reading Revelations.

GodWeenSatan, well, I'm still working on.

doctorthefonz
Nov 17, 2007



The Pod is still my favorite album after starting with Quebec and working my way backwards chronologically. So many classics: Mononucleosis, Captain Fantasy, She Fucks Me, Demon Sweat, Dr. Rock, gently caress.

If any Ween fans in this thread want some more weird, then I'd highly recommend checking out The Frogs. No other band has fulfilled me in such a similar way, combining songcraft virtuoso with uncomfortable subjects lyrics-wise


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iliwt9h6-a0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXNc6NiDzDk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L02jO5bkfxA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty6tvHymEDM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkQ1D4ppz-E

caligulamprey
Jan 23, 2007

It never stops.

doctorthefonz posted:

If any Ween fans in this thread want some more weird, then I'd highly recommend checking out The Frogs. No other band has fulfilled me in such a similar way, combining songcraft virtuoso with uncomfortable subjects lyrics-wise
I'm a huge Frogs nerd, actually! Flew out to Texas last year to see Jimmy perform a tribute show to his brother/band mate Dennis.



Like Ween they were also really cool about audience recording. I've got about 30 shows recorded off the soundboard, the best ones are filled with nonstop bickering at the audience, but man they knew how to stretch goofy little improvised songs into legit great jams

I've been wanting to do a Frogs thread for awhile now. They're basically the Velvet Underground of the '80s/'90s alt scene in terms of influence. Everyone loved them and tried to push them as hard as possible, but they refused to back down from what they were doing. It was a career filled with them shooting themselves in the foot over and over again and I love them very much.

EDIT: Here's a solid shoutout to The Frogs from Gener! Continues on Mutilated Lips, too.

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caligulamprey
Jan 23, 2007

It never stops.

Just announced:

doctorthefonz
Nov 17, 2007



That signed album is extremely cool

A Frogs thread would be delightful for a band with such a huge output and wild history. Steve Albini passed along one of their tapes to the head of Homestead Records which got them their first LP. They made a stop-motion VHS tape for Kurt Cobain, one of their biggest fans. Eddie Vedder attached a pair of batwings gifted by the late Dennis Flemion to his amplifier, and Pearl Jam has covered a number of their songs. Dennis also played drums for the drat Smashing Pumpkins at the height of their popularity. Jimmy played with Sebastian Bach's touring band at some point too. That's all just from skimming their wikipedia page, they were all over the place

If anyone reading this thread wants to get into em they're streaming on google's music service and spotify last time I checked. I reckon they'd be right up a Ween fan's alley for sure

Rollersnake
May 9, 2005

Please, please don't let me end up in a threesome with the lunch lady and a gay pirate. That would hit a little too close to home.

I feel like I'm kind of alone in thinking Chocolate & Cheese is one of Ween's weaker albums. It's not as chaotic and uncompromisingly weird as their earlier stuff, or as clever and polished as their later stuff, and kind of rests in that same middling goofy, mildly obnoxious territory as La Cucaracha. Freedom of '76 and What Deaner Was Talking About are the only tracks I'd consider among my favorite Ween songs.

I didn't start listening to Ween until after Quebec came out, though, and from there went back to Godweensatan and worked my way forward. Which is probably not the best way to come to appreciate a transitional album.

Beastie
Nov 3, 2006

They used to call me tricky-kid, I lived the life they wish they did.

La la Cucaracha is so loving stupid and it took me like two years before it clicked and now I love it.

The weirdest part was I asked my friends who are also huge Ween fans and oddly they all said the same thing.

Itís stupid, silly, and has some sort of dream-like essence.

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002



Rollersnake posted:

I feel like I'm kind of alone in thinking Chocolate & Cheese is one of Ween's weaker albums. It's not as chaotic and uncompromisingly weird as their earlier stuff, or as clever and polished as their later stuff, and kind of rests in that same middling goofy, mildly obnoxious territory as La Cucaracha. Freedom of '76 and What Deaner Was Talking About are the only tracks I'd consider among my favorite Ween songs.

I didn't start listening to Ween until after Quebec came out, though, and from there went back to Godweensatan and worked my way forward. Which is probably not the best way to come to appreciate a transitional album.

Tear for Eddie is a good song too. And Joppa Road.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.


you'll pry the worm "roses are free" from my cold, dead ear holes

Bold Robot
Jan 6, 2009

Be brave.


Outrageous Lumpwad

Rollersnake posted:

I feel like I'm kind of alone in thinking Chocolate & Cheese is one of Ween's weaker albums. It's not as chaotic and uncompromisingly weird as their earlier stuff, or as clever and polished as their later stuff, and kind of rests in that same middling goofy, mildly obnoxious territory as La Cucaracha. Freedom of '76 and What Deaner Was Talking About are the only tracks I'd consider among my favorite Ween songs.

I didn't start listening to Ween until after Quebec came out, though, and from there went back to Godweensatan and worked my way forward. Which is probably not the best way to come to appreciate a transitional album.

You are alone in thinking this yeah.

La Cucaracha is weird because it has so many good tracks but they donít really come together as an album. Fruit Man, Woman and Man, Spirit Walker, and to a lesser extent Shamemaker are all bad. But the rest? Some great stuff.

Beastie
Nov 3, 2006

They used to call me tricky-kid, I lived the life they wish they did.

Woman and Man is awesome.

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


Beastie posted:

Woman and Man is awesome.

caligulamprey
Jan 23, 2007

It never stops.

Woman and Man has the best Deaner solo on any of the studio albums.

I couldn't stand Learnin' to Love for the longest time until I saw it live. It feels like the band is playing a really mean joke on the audience, it's hysterical.

Harminoff
Oct 24, 2005

listerine and mr. green

Woman and man would be great if it didn't have the long intro. Past that it's a top notch song. Like 2:50+ is great

doctorthefonz
Nov 17, 2007



Harminoff posted:

Woman and man would be great if it didn't have the long intro. Past that it's a top notch song. Like 2:50+ is great

idk i'd say it's really cool like how the argus starts out slow but argus > woman and man

both songs are cool though, that's just ween

doctorthefonz
Nov 17, 2007



polyester concept posted:

I love lo-fi obnoxious poo poo so early ween is perfect for me. Anything before GWS is a little too unpolished, though (they had some cassettes you can find on websites). One time I was listening to The Pod and my speakers weren't hooked up securely - it added a sort of noisy bass distortion to everything and I was asking myself "why does this album sound so much more awesome today?". After I fixed it, I tried to reproduce it again later but could never get it the same.

that's a really cool observation re: blown speakers

i have an old vox combo tube/solid hybrid little guy amp that's supposed to emulate different cabs etc except the tube or something must've blown out because the input floor rose dramatically and whenever i'd play with it it's crazy fuzzy with absolutely zero sustain

i learned mononucleosis, what deaner was talking about, and don't poo poo where you eat on that sucker, and even though i replaced it with a newer version of the same drat amp i still bust it out because it just sounds totally hosed and super unique


e: regarding frogs talk, i really wanted to link from yt one of the few covers that they did and i just found it! bob dylan's "billy" from the old sam peckinpah film
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJyN2zI5slQ
just a really cool interpretation, emblematic of the frogs' musical abilities

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me your dad
Jul 25, 2006



Rollersnake posted:

I feel like I'm kind of alone in thinking Chocolate & Cheese is one of Ween's weaker albums. It's not as chaotic and uncompromisingly weird as their earlier stuff, or as clever and polished as their later stuff, and kind of rests in that same middling goofy, mildly obnoxious territory as La Cucaracha. Freedom of '76 and What Deaner Was Talking About are the only tracks I'd consider among my favorite Ween songs.

I didn't start listening to Ween until after Quebec came out, though, and from there went back to Godweensatan and worked my way forward. Which is probably not the best way to come to appreciate a transitional album.

I agree to some extent. Aside from Cucaracha, it's the album I listen to the least. It does have Don't poo poo Where You Eat, which is one of my favorite Ween songs. And it was dedicated to John Candy, which is really cool.

I can't listen to anything prior to God Ween Satan. The early cassette releases are too low quality for me to enjoy them and it doesn't help that I didn't hear any of them until just a few years ago. I think some of Ween's early albums, especially The Pod, benefit from being listened to without influence of their modern albums. I can see how people wouldn't be into The Pod or GWS.

Edit for a crazy coincidence: After posting this reply, I hit play (via shuffle) on my Spotify playlist with about 4,600 tracks and first Garry comes on by DWG and then Don't poo poo Where you Eat came on next. I don't even have a ton of their studio albums in the playlist. Most of it is their live stuff.

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Elephunk
Dec 6, 2007





Beastie posted:

Woman and Man is awesome.

Handen
Jun 29, 2003




GOD
I
FUKKKIN
LOVE
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JEDI




Kvlt! posted:

Altered states of consciousness are pretty necessary for early Ween until it "clicks" then you can appreciate it sober

I discovered fake acid (DOB) and GodWeenSatan in the same summer before La Cucaracha came out. My enjoyment of the album has as much if not more to do with it bringing back memories of how hosed up I got that summer, and it's a similar story with Cucaracha. Love both those albums, though not necessarily on their own merit alone.

Harminoff
Oct 24, 2005

listerine and mr. green

This work? Live stream of tonight's show.

Audio http://mixlr.com/mike-sassone


Video https://m.facebook.com/story.php?st...100001791609749

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JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

I LOVE TWO AND HALF MEN!! YOU 20 SOMETHINGS ARE JUST TOO CYNICAL TO UNDERSTAND IT!!

Live in Chicago killed C&C for me. It's a good album but I feel like it's the one where all the live renditions just blow the studio versions out of the water.

me your dad
Jul 25, 2006



JAMOOOL posted:

Live in Chicago killed C&C for me. It's a good album but I feel like it's the one where all the live renditions just blow the studio versions out of the water.

I agree, except for:

Can't Put My Finger on It: Live versions (I've heard) never captured that super trippy effect during the "Are you surprised..." part (and I love that part). Also the 20 minute middle eastern chant run-up during some live versions is boring.

Tear for Eddie: I know it's ridiculous to say but I prefer the studio version. It's just so damned pretty and cannot be turned up loud enough.

snorch
Jul 27, 2009


me your dad posted:

the 20 minute middle eastern chant run-up during some live versions is boring.

They did it when I saw them in Portland and it vibed incredibly, though it also may have been the drugs.

Bold Robot
Jan 6, 2009

Be brave.


Outrageous Lumpwad

Got a chuckle out of this comment on the Ween facebook group about the setlist last night:

caligulamprey
Jan 23, 2007

It never stops.

snorch posted:

They did it when I saw them in Portland and it vibed incredibly, though it also may have been the drugs.
That was my first Ween show! That Fluffy solo at the end nearly murdered me dead.


...though it also may have been the drugs

Skeezy
Jul 3, 2007



Taste the Waste

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caligulamprey
Jan 23, 2007

It never stops.

Holy poo poo, Red Rocks got a "If You Could Save Yourself!"

Gonna re-post from the Vinyl thread:
Heads up! Schnitzel Records out of the UK just put up the pre-order for a new repressing of Ween's The Pod on silver vinyl, limited to 1,000 copies and advertised as "never going to be re-pressed in this format."

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