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hatelull posted:Finally, I think Mercury Rev deserves a mention here if only for Yr Self is Steam. It might just be me, but I think Boces is a lot better thant Yerself is Steam. It's poppier and noisier, and just a lot loving weirder. See You On the Other Side is also great and way overlooked. Here are some tracks from Boces: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h2VvMgwIF4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2VffKMuFKo And just because the Lips and Mercury Rev are a lot more psychedelic doesn't mean they don't fit into the whole noise pop category. I think these Lips albums are all essential noise pop... In a Priest Driven Ambulance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UGdPeMC2ac http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WPbLdmoVFg Hit to Death in the Future Head http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A9VcPKV4m0 http://vimeo.com/13902189 Transmissions from the Satellite Heart http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAXEsq6A0v4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guCdR2jnkls Clouds Taste Metallic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtNhRdMozR0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n62w20H5foM
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I've been exploring new music on Spotify lately, and I've absolutely fallen in love with Devics. They're definitely more on the dream-pop side of things, but some of the tracks on their newer albums get into "wall of sound" territory, even including a post-rock tone occasionally. Everything they record is beautiful, but the music is challenging enough to keep from being boring. I shared a Spotify playlist (which is sadly missing the newest album) here. Also, Lush. Goddamn it kills me that they only released four albums (well, three plus an EP compilation). Unlike most bands, their sound actually seemed to improve as their songs got a bit poppier. Split is probably my favorite album of all time, and I would have liked to see their continuing evolution after Lovelife. Are there any currently-active bands with the same sort of sound? I prefer female-fronted dream-pop to stuff like My Bloody Valentine, but most of what I see billed as dream-pop is pretty boring and uninspired. I'm looking for more Halou and less Mazzy Star, I guess.
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They're not new and certainly not around, but Drugstore did an interesting mix of Mazzy Star and Jesus and Mary Chain. Their first album (released in 1995) was a permanent fixture in my CD player. The other ones were not so great. Drugstore - Baby Astrolab http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdk5irzWNrE&feature=related
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hatelull posted:They're not new and certainly not around, but Drugstore did an interesting mix of Mazzy Star and Jesus and Mary Chain. They just put out a new album this month.
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Here's a couple. Bowery Electric http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lczCBvKW_TE Bethany Curve http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeYj6CRzE7k And as much as I dig MBV, Slowdive will always represent the apex of this genre IMO.
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TheIndividual posted:And here's a weird one. Back in the early 90s, Blur and Slowdive used to attend each others concerts pretty regularly. This lead to Blur becoming a little bit interested in shoegaze, and creating easily their finest b-side (and probably the one one worth a drat), Sing. In the UK, it wasn't a b-side, it was actually on their first record, Leisure. The problem was, it was on Leisure, which was a kinda-listless post-Madchester mishmosh and, in fact, 80% poo poo. They'd half-heartedly approach shoegazey guitars again some years later, through their lo-fi self-titled record's sessions---Swallows in the Heatwave and Bustin' + Dronin' are the relevant B-sides from that period. The US version of the self-titled record also ends with a bizarre triple-threat of noise guitar and muttered imprecations, combining the album track Essex Dogs, the b-side Dancehall and a further instrumental called Interlude into one eleven-and-a-half-minute weirdness device. I used to snowblow the driveway with earbuds in under my hearing protection listening to that record, and it was amazing. As the thread itself goes, I am so glad this is here. I'm just starting to get into the scenes talked about here---I have Loveless, Saturdays = Youth and a few other bits and bobs, and the band of goons I am in has covered Primal Scream (Velocity Girl) and Jesus and Mary Chain (Just Like Honey), so. Yeah. Here's a bit of an under-noticed gem that I think of when people start talking dream pop and similar: the Ray Davies/Kinks tribute album This Is Where I Belong. Bebel Gilberto goes exotica on No Return, Josh Rouse gets dreampop as gently caress on Well Respected Man (sorry, doesn't look like it's on youtube, but it is on spotify), Yo La Tengo take on Fancy with the delightfully expected result (but the unexpected result that it's neither on youtube nor spotify...), and several others (Lambchop's haunting, reverb-soaked take on Art Lover most notably) fit the bill. The remainder of the album is quite good (Fountains of Wayne, Ron Sexsmith) to fairly what-the-christ-is-this-doing-here (Queens of the Stone Age), but enjoyable nevertheless. edited because the day I decide to shut my mouth about music is the day I'm in a vegetative state hexwren fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Aug 27, 2011 |
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hatelull posted:
Kevin Shields (of MBV duh) worked with them on at least one album (Beyond the Pale I think) and it has some eriously great drone. Not a whole lot of guitar based drone does it for me, but holy poo poo does that album have some great textures
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Are there any good blogs for finding new shoegaze?
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Allen Wren posted:Bebel Gilberto goes exotica on No Return "Goes"? This sounds exactly like everything else she has ever done, that is, gluttonously cheesy synth-bossa? I haven't heard the original though, so maybe it's cool in juxtaposition or something.
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Ras Het posted:"Goes"? This sounds exactly like everything else she has ever done, that is, gluttonously cheesy synth-bossa? I haven't heard the original though, so maybe it's cool in juxtaposition or something. Just a turn of phrase, not trying to make a judgement about Gilberto's work---the Kinks original is also bossa nova-inflected as well, so it's not really all that far from what the Davies were doing. I just think it's a good song, in either incarnation.
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Brian Eno making shoegaze in 1974: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP-RFsuv-8Q what!!
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drainpipe posted:Are there any good blogs for finding new shoegaze? http://shoegazeralive5b.blogspot.com/ http://whenthesunhitsblog.blogspot.com/ Also, these compilations feature a metric fuckton of "newgaze". Very hit-or-miss, but there's some good stuff in the mix: http://killredrocketrecords.bandcamp.com/album/killredrocketrecords-jesus-in-space-compilation-2010 http://killredrocketrecords.bandcamp.com/album/jesus-in-space-2011-the-resurrection Tre Past Cool! posted:Did you know?: Some people say Slowdive is better than My Bloody Valentine. These people are wrong. Wrong me the gently caress up then. Slowdive is achingly close to being my all-time favourite band. Under-appreciated gems (ie not on Souvlaki): "Primal" (AKA dat climax, AKA best song ever) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3TG7d9N7J4 "Catch the Breeze" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVY9p1IHops -> Kickass live version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-Y7fOYxl1E "She Calls" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxfydMKStuU&feature=related "Albatross" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woPp5R1KGX8 "Miranda" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jphrbNdXMc4 "Watch Me (Film Mix)" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u21beb1l2Ks "Untitled No. 2" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5TeFhHy71c Just so my post isn't purely a Slowdive wankfest, I'll make a massive recommendation of everything out of the Enemies List Home Recordings (http://enemieslist.net/kvlt/) camp. Most of the acts feature a similar aesthetic and penchant for genre-blending. Also going to +1 the recs for all of the post-Spacemen 3 splinter projects (Spiritualized, Spectrum, EAR, Sonic Boom). While I'm at it, LOOP!!!!!!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIKS1tFzvr8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbmhoMpoTac Main (Loop side project) are excellent too, but that's another tangent... XMD 5a fucked around with this message at 09:52 on Aug 28, 2011 |
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FetusOvaries posted:Brian Eno making shoegaze in 1974: This song always sounds so much like what Yo La Tengo is doing now, and it's really wonderful. One of my favorite songs ever. Also, it should be noted that Brian Eno produced Slowdive's Souvlaki, and helped quite a lot in the studio to make it the masterpiece that it is. People should also listen to the bootlegged demos from the Souvlaki sessions, because there are some great tunes there that regrettably got left off. My personal favorite is titled "AB", which I really wish they had finished. Slowdive - AB - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1d7r__XLEY
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XMD 5a posted:Slowdive stuff Nice selection, though I always thought that Untitled 3 is their best unreleased song. It's also probably the most representative of their sound overall. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZhygqZr2MA Slowdive warms my heart because I have a story associated with them. My father used to play "Machine Gun" sometimes when I was little, and it kind of stuck with me. I could remember the melody, but didn't remember what band it was band, nor did my father ever know what I was talking about. Ten years later I'm on a 90's music binge, and behold, the song I remembered from my childhood. It was such a good feeling, and then it happened all over again with Crazy for You ![]() edit: have more Slowdive, here's Sleep: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7bTuvKUJ-M
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Slowdive!! "I Saw The Sun" is just pure bliss http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=934_0PC-6RY "Richard" is a depressingly beautiful song that comes off as a dreamy slow version of "Don't Fear the Reaper" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ettEOTJ7X_E The long climax of "Golden Hair" is perhaps their finest work. These guys made some beautiful noises with guitars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXZAzOnrF1g
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I think my two favorite Slowdive songs are When The Sun Hits (which has already been posted) and Machine Gun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ylunl72PyE Really feels like something out of a dream. I mean, I know that's the reason for it being called "dream pop". But I honestly feel like I'm in another dimension or something whenever listen to them.
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FetusOvaries posted:Brian Eno making shoegaze in 1974: I think I already mentioned "Tomorrow Never Knows" by the Beatles, so here's "Bo Diddley" by Bo Diddley in 1955. Bo Diddley is Jesus. By the way I added a collaborative spotify playlist I found as well as some recent albums to the OP (3rd post). http://open.spotify.com/user/gee2909/playlist/6PbYczSgal0BN5D4cQKwxB
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Eno didn't produce Souvlaki, really. He collaborated with them on like 2 or 3 songs on it.
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School of Seven Bells has been making some wonderful music over the past few years which could all be considered "dreampop" I suppose. They just had a show here in Brooklyn, NYC a few days ago previewing some brand-new songs from an upcoming third album. Their first album was sort of an electronica-tribal affair, but with the second (and third) album, the stuff gets into darker, more surreal territory. You can actually listen to all of their second album Disconnect From Desire on their YouTube account, as well as a few songs from the earlier years. They're getting better and better all the time, so jump in on this. http://www.youtube.com/user/SchoolofSevenBells e: Also, echoing the love for Lush; if you like MBV, definitely pick up their album Gala, which was the the band at their most raw, free-formed stage and in my opinion, they were at their best when they were this experimental with the vox and feedback.
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MinibarMatchman posted:e: Also, echoing the love for Lush; if you like MBV, definitely pick up their album Gala, which was the the band at their most raw, free-formed stage and in my opinion, they were at their best when they were this experimental with the vox and feedback. Lovelife was good too, but it was obvious that they were (intentionally or not) gradually moving to a more accessible, radio-friendly indie-pop sound. Also, referring back to the OP, I have no idea what the hell "twee" is, but I really like The Pains of Being Pure at Heart -- and especially their newest album -- so I guess I'm into that too.
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WhiteHowler posted:Also, referring back to the OP, I have no idea what the hell "twee" is, but I really like The Pains of Being Pure at Heart -- and especially their newest album -- so I guess I'm into that too. Well, for the long answer read Twee as gently caress. The short answer: quote:In a pop music context, the term “twee” was originally used by British music journalists in the mid- to late 1980s as an abusive term for indie pop. It has since been ‘reclaimed’ by some indie pop fans and used in a neutral sense. Some bands: http://www.last.fm/tag/%20twee http://www.last.fm/tag/twee%20pop http://www.last.fm/tag/twee%20as%20fuck http://www.last.fm/tag/twee-pop For shoegaze/twee there's also Black Tambourine (you can get their whole discography on one CD) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_pQYGs0ysU and My Bloody Valentine's EP Ecstacy was pretty twee. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlwMx9DFLWo For regular twee I like Beat Happening and Los Campesinos! the best. Pomplamoose fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Aug 29, 2011 |
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Yeah if you like shoegaze you should probably listen to twee. It can range from just indie pop (Biff Bang Pow!, The Flatmate, The Razorcuts) to coy/fey/"adorable sloppy pop (Beat Happening, Talulah Gosh, The Primitives). Jut listen to anything on Sarah Records or Creation records (which had the best MBV stuff on it)
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Aside from Slowdive, my other favourite band to be associated with the shoegaze/dream pop scene would have to be Cranes. They've got one of the most eclectic discographies in the genre, Neubauten-esque industrial -> Cure-esque goth rock -> shoegaze -> dream-pop laced electronica. The stuff from the most recent albums is a touch twee too, BTW. For the record, their entire catalogue is awesome. Made especially so by Alison Shaw's amazing voice. Favourite trax: "Things That I Like" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t41z0_etxdk "Heaven or Bliss" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPycEtV8lr0 "Give" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftsHFDJIHrs "I Hope" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=303UmEB4ZsM "Bewildered" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a87YILRnK0o "Adrift" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKZZ8NPSEUk "Lemon Tree" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPRWYjjmZ0s "Flute Song" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iQ_pzpF7lk
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This is more trip-hop than shoegaze but at least it's not from 1993 - Phantogram. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F2tfSnPPXg&feature=related I dig this tune but I'd say the majority of their material is stronger when the dude is not the lead singer.
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The Doo Do Chasers posted:Yeah if you like shoegaze you should probably listen to twee. This is true, but not just because you'll probably like it, but also because twee as a genre/scene contains all the talent the lack of which shoegaze musicians hide behind their awful meandering song structures and pointless "noise" ("sound" would perhaps be more accurate). To me, almost all acclaimed shoegaze sounds like a combination of the worst aspects of Jesus & Mary Chain's (anaemia) and Sarah Records' (lyrical and artistic banality) musics, though there's a couple of modern bands I like (I can only think of Asobi Seksu but I do think there's others).
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origami posted:This is more trip-hop than shoegaze but at least it's not from 1993 - Phantogram. I just saw that they're playing in my town in a couple of months, so I'm definitely going to check them out live. For electronic-based bands like this, it's always interesting to see how much they can actually play live as opposed to recorded loops and such.
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Ras Het posted:To me, almost all acclaimed shoegaze sounds like a combination of the worst aspects of Jesus & Mary Chain's (anaemia) Because I dig the Reid brothers (and admittedly know gently caress all about Sarah Records), what do you mean by "anaemia" in association with the Jesus & Mary Chain? Is this a reference to how utterly bored, laissez faire, just-don't-give-a-gently caress they sound or is there something else I'm missing? I'm not looking to start some nasty fight. I just wanna know what it is about their sound or production that leads you that specific descriptor.
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Radio Dept was mentioned earlier but tragically overlooked - This is the only recent band that carries the shoegaze torch, my friends. The Radio Dept - Pulling our weight http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1aT8fNBts8 and my personal favorite Radio Dept song of all time (that guitar riff!) The Radio Dept - Always a relief http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OynTPEilyVs Chim fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Aug 30, 2011 |
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hatelull posted:Because I dig the Reid brothers (and admittedly know gently caress all about Sarah Records), what do you mean by "anaemia" in association with the Jesus & Mary Chain? Is this a reference to how utterly bored, laissez faire, just-don't-give-a-gently caress they sound or is there something else I'm missing? I'm not looking to start some nasty fight. I just wanna know what it is about their sound or production that leads you that specific descriptor. Yeah that's pretty much it. I'm thinking of stuff off Darklands (or Stoned & Dethroned, but that's a different matter...) specifically, there's this irritating complete lack of energy in a few songs, kinda reminds me of Velvet Underground a lot (an obvious comparison, but I'm not thinking in terms of music, mood rather), in a bad way. Maybe it's the heroin. JAMC are one of my favourite rock bands though, so that's not so much a complaint as an observation.
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Since Ulrich Schnauss has been touched on in this thread, I'm assuming this is to place to talk about electrogaze. So can we talk about how loving incredible the new M83 album is? Because Jesus Christ. I'm on my first listen now and it's one of my favorite records of the year already. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDyonn3mQj8 This is the first single, Midnight City, and it's like electro, shoegaze, post punk and new wave all wrapped up in a distorted, dreamy, beautiful package.
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Someone pointed these guys out to me a while back: Whirl--"Leave" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5vpPgIxYoE Fairly MBV-like band. Unintelligible lyrics, lots of fuzz but a repetitive melody throughout, ya know.
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Ras Het posted:This is true, but not just because you'll probably like it, but also because twee as a genre/scene contains all the talent the lack of which shoegaze musicians hide behind their awful meandering song structures and pointless "noise" ("sound" would perhaps be more accurate). To me, almost all acclaimed shoegaze sounds like a combination of the worst aspects of Jesus & Mary Chain's (anaemia) and Sarah Records' (lyrical and artistic banality) musics, though there's a couple of modern bands I like (I can only think of Asobi Seksu but I do think there's others). It's true that some popular bands like MBV, Slowdive, Spacemen 3, and Cocteau Twins have repetive song structures that emphasize sound over writing but there's still plenty of bands that place a greater emphasis on songwriting like Ride, Swervedriver, The Pains of Being Pure at Heart, and later M83. I'm not sure what Sarah Records' has to do with it, are you saying you dislike twee as much as shoegaze? Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post. Anyway, I edited this into the OP a while ago but I wanted to talk about Big Troubles. Their album Worry from last year had some of the best lo-fi shoegaze I've heard. It follows the MBV model and includes some tremolo bending 'glide guitar' (but without the overdubs) and despite all the haze the melodies come through pretty strongly. So maybe that's not the most flattering discription, but why not give it a try? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_GVd_lkqMs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8MVf4Lcpeo They're also releasing an album later this month on Slumberland and like labelmates the Pains of Being Pure at Heart they've cleaned up their sound and absorbed some Smashing Pumpkins influence. I'm not sure how I feel about this since I'm pretty ambivalent about the Smashing Pumpkins but I can't stop listening to their new songs. They just released a new single "Sad Girls" and you can hear it on their bandcamp. http://bigtroubles.bandcamp.com/
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I just wanted to second Asobi Seksu since they're one of the first dream pop sort of bands that I latched onto. I haven't been as happy with their more recent albums, but listening to their older stuff instantly puts me in an awesome mood. This song popped up on my iPod driving home from work and it was perfect - New Years http://youtu.be/n0Gbue7idgY And then this older song always rocks me, I don't care if it sounds like a total and complete absolute rip-off of MBV - Sooner http://youtu.be/whn2vZGk2Gk (sorry for the weird animations in the videos instead of real videos ![]()
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Tre Past Cool! posted:I'm not sure what Sarah Records' has to do with it, are you saying you dislike twee as much as shoegaze? Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post. No, I just meant that the much more song-focused craft of indie pop is generally appealing to me, unlike the swiish and swoosh of shoegaze, but '80s Sarah Records style twee and most popular shoegaze are pretty similar in terms of lyrics, performance and even song structures. And, on that note, I would say Pains fall quite firmly into the twee/indie camp. That said, even though there's a few Sarah records I love to bits, I think twee (much like shoegaze) got significantly better in the mid-'90s when most bands dropped all the horrible '80s production aesthetics and toned down the Smiths aping.
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I won't get too into them because they're more metal-oriented and everyone knows them (they are recently defunct), but in terms of layering guitars to form lush intense melodies, Isis always gets me. They're not an incredible band or anything, but their riffs and layers and build-ups are really nice. Their albums "Panopticon" and "Oceanic" specifically are amazing. Anyway, in terms of shoegaze, other than MBV, my favorite is a band that has not yet been mentioned (probably because they're Canadian) is SIANspheric. They put out a few albums, broke up, and are now getting back into the fold. I recommend the album "There's Always Someplace You'd Rather Be." A great song by them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbSFNZczM38&feature=related
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Ras Het posted:No, I just meant that the much more song-focused craft of indie pop is generally appealing to me, unlike the swiish and swoosh of shoegaze, but '80s Sarah Records style twee and most popular shoegaze are pretty similar in terms of lyrics, performance and even song structures. And, on that note, I would say Pains fall quite firmly into the twee/indie camp. I definitely agree with the twee production values thing. Recording on a mates 4-track Ampex in their bedroom or whatever really dissolved a lot of the impact their songs may have actually had, as many of them are actually quite well written. And the poor production I think has really stopped them from being as well known and popular as they could be. A good example is german band The Bartlebees, some absolutely fantastic songs slightly let down by the poor recording. Recording in even a cheap recording studio with a trained engineer shouldn't be something to shy away from in my mind. I think I said this in the last Shoegaze thread, but really when you look back nowadays a lot of the classic Shoegaze bands and the music they created really isn't that good. I just don't think they've aged that well sadly. I bet more than one of you do what I do in the case of Ride's first album, you stick the disc in, flip it forward to Vapour Trails then turn it off again. Though actually in Ride's case I find their first few EPs better than the album. The bands that inspired the original Shoegaze bands (like AR Kane and Galaxie 500) and those that were inspired by the original Shoegaze bands(the first Brians Jonestown album is really loving fantastic Shoegaze-esque music) vastly outperform the original core groups in terms of making some really good music, though the likes of Loveless and Souvlaki are obviously great albums which is why they're still remembered. Though it's interesting with those two groups in particular the majority of their early stuff just was pretty horrible, then they somehow managed to pull it together for those releases (though I've never heard Pygmalion so can't comment on that).
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I'm a big dream pop fan but somehow I missed Spiritualized. Thanks to this thread, I can't stop listening to "Ladies and Gentlemen..."
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Calvin Camus posted:I'm a big dream pop fan but somehow I missed Spiritualized. Thanks to this thread, I can't stop listening to "Ladies and Gentlemen..." You should absolutely work backwards and check out Pure Phase and Lazer Guided Melodies, especially if you're a fan of the dream poppiness found in LAGWAFIS.
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hatelull posted:You should absolutely work backwards and check out Pure Phase and Lazer Guided Melodies, especially if you're a fan of the dream poppiness found in LAGWAFIS. Lazer Guided Memories is one of my all-time favourite albums. It's definitely the band's most "spacey" and psychedelic work. I'd also suggest checking out Let it Come Down as well. It's nowhere near as "dream pop" as the earlier stuff, but it has an amazing "epic" (loving stupid word I know) orchestral quality works so well with J's established sound. "Out of Sight" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8fripJC6l0 "I Didn't Mean to Hurt You" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwL3siS5OUI
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