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Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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What are "Ultimate Comics"?

Wikipedia posted:

Ultimate Comics is an imprint of books published by Marvel Comics, featuring re-imagined and updated versions of the company's super-hero characters, including Spider-Man, the X-Men, the Avengers, and the Fantastic Four. The imprint was launched in 2000 with the publication of the series Ultimate Spider-Man and Ultimate X-Men. The characters have new origins, freeing them from the sometimes convoluted back-histories of the original versions. The universe has been designated as "Earth-1610" within the Marvel Multiverse, which comprises an infinite number of alternate universes.

A lot however has happened in the past ten years and the Ultimate Universe has become just as complex as normal continuity books in some ways. Terrible writers, long delays and a characters that lacked significant differences from their original counterparts made this re-launch necessary to keep the line relevant and interesting. Where as before Ultimate characters were generally just heroes retooled for a 21st century audience there are far more radical changes now to keep the stories significantly different than what you'll likely see in normal Marvel Universe books. It's also probably worth noting that the The Ultimates have had a very obvious influence on Marvel's movie interpretations.

Here's What You Missed...
NOTE:If you want to catch up yourself you should read Ultimate Comics: Doomsday;Ultimate Comics: Avengers vs. New Ultimates; Ultimate Spider-Man: The Death of Spider-Man and Ultimate Comics: Fallout


Peter Parker, a newly-turned 16 year-old from Queens and of course Spider-Man, is dead. Killed by Norman Osborn, the Green Goblin (a far more literal goblin in the Ultimate U) after taking a bullet meant for Captain America, while defending his family, May Parker and Gwen Stacy, and friends, Johnny "The Human Torch" Storm and Bobby "Iceman" Drake. It's worth noting that outside of a few exceptions death bears a greater sense of permanence in the Ultimate Universe than your average super-hero comic.


Nick Fury (whom in the Ultimate U bears an uncanny resemblance to Samuel L. Jackson) has resumed control of S.H.I.E.L.D. and The Ultimates (The Ultimate version of The Avengers) after previous head, Carol Danvers, lost Spider-Man and fell to a coup by Gregory Stark (Tony's blonde, more ambitious and now deceased twin brother). Though content to be back in his old seat Fury blames himself for the death of Peter Parker.


Of the remaining Ultimates, Tony Stark has been invited to take his brother's seat in a secret society of the wealthy elite who desire to shape the world in a more favorable manner. Steve Rogers, who also blames himself for the death of Peter Parker, is AWOL. Bruce Banner is undergoing hypnotherapy treatment courtesy of Jean Grey Karen Page at the request of Nick Fury. Thor remains one of the Ultimates and Hawkeye has seemingly left the team but remains an agent of S.H.I.E.L.D.


The Fantastic Four have disbanded. Reed Richards decided humanity was not using science completely to their benefit and attacked the Earth. After being defeated he was left drifting in space but has now found his way back and formed a new collective for a presently unknown purpose. Johnny Storm is grieving the loss of his friend Peter Parker with Kitty Pryde and Bobby Drake. Susan Storm is engaged to a no-longer-rocky Benjamin Grimm.


Mutants have been revealed to not to be a genetic anomaly as previously believed but the failed result of one of the United States governments many attempts to recreate the Super Soldier Serum that created Captain America. Pietro Maximoff is attempting to regain his deceased father's former role as perceived leader of mutantkind.

What's Next:
There are four titles that are kicking off the re-launch of Ultimate Comics:


The Ultimates
Written by Jonathan Hickman (Ultimate Comics: Thor; FF; Secret Warriors; S.H.I.E.L.D.; The Red Wing)
Illustrated by Esad Ribic (Uncanny X-Force; Loki; Silver Surfer: Requiem; Sub-Mariner: The Depths)

Hickman has received a lot of praise as of late and is worthy of all of it. He's brought back a lot of interest to the 'Fantastic Four'/'FF' with his long-form story-telling and did a pretty fantastic job of wrapping up 'Secret Warriors'. The first issue is out and it's already looking to be a fantastic start with a lot of momentum. Captain America is missing; Nick Fury is struggling to maintain control as head of S.H.I.E.L.D. despite only just getting it back having to deal with Asgardians and the new super-powers of the EU and Reed Richards makes his move with The Children of Tomorrow.


Hawkeye
Written by Jonathan Hickman (see above)
Illustrated by Rafa Sandoval (Ultimate Comics: Doomsday; Avengers: The Initiative; Incredible Hercules)

A four-issue mini-series and Hickman's other Ultimate Comics project. He has however proven himself equally capable of working in the short-form with the goon approved 'Ultimate Comics: Thor' and his current creator owned work 'The Red Wing'. Ultimate Hawkeye began as something of a hybrid of 616 Hawkeye and Bullseye. He favors a bow but claims to never miss with any projectile. He began as a relatively fun character in Mark Millar's 'The Ultimates' that became borderline suicidal and awful in Jeph Loeb's 'Ultimates 3' and beyond after his wife and child were killed by the first Black Widow. This appears to be a return to the original personality the character once possessed however. Hawkeye is given a covert mission by Nick Fury to retrieve a serum designed to create new mutants.


X-Men
Written by Nick Spencer (Morning Glories; Iron Man 2.0; Spider-Island: Cloak & Dagger)
Illustrated by Paco Medina (Deadpool; New Warriors; X-Men)

Spencer is still something of an unknown quantity. His creator-owned work 'Morning Glories' is pretty love-it or hate-it, 'Iron Man 2.0' gets fairly lukewarm reactions and his work on 'Secret Avengers' is mostly reviled. The recent 'Spider-Island: Cloak & Dagger' tie-in is great however and the previews of 'Ultimate Comics: X-Men #1' are looking good so it's easy to remain hopeful. The world is in a panic over the recently revealed news that mutants are man-made. This book looks to revolve around Iceman, Kitty Pryde, The Human Torch, Rogue and son-of-Wolverine, Jimmy Hudson. Quicksilver looks to be the likely antagonist.


Spider-Man
Written by Brian Michael Bendis (seriously? umm...Ultimate Spider-Man; The Avengers; The New Avengers; Dark Avengers; House of M; Secret Invasion, etc.)
Illustrated by Sara Pichelli (Ultimate Comics: Spider-Man [Vol. 1]; X-Men Pixie Strikes Back; Runaways)

What was once the surest bet of the Ultimate line Spider-Man is now the biggest mystery. Peter Parker is dead but there is a new Spider-Man by the name of Miles Morales, a 13(!) year-old from Brooklyn. He is half black/half Puerto Rican which has caused a great deal of controversy for the Fox News crowd. He also appears to have a slightly different power-set than Peter Parker did with a Spider-Woman-esque sting and the ability to turn cloak himself. Not much is known about his origins or what the story will be but it has been revealed he will receive some advice and guidance from Aunt May and Gwen Stacy and will face some familiar Spider-Man rogues. Regardless of your feelings towards Miles or Bendis this is probably the most newsworthy of the Ultimate Comics relaunch.

Link to the previous thread

Kaleidoscope fucked around with this message at 03:29 on Aug 27, 2011

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Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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One year later, the state of the union is weak: Washington D.C. is a crater, the majority of the America's leaders killed in an strike by Reed Richards and his City; mutant-hunting Nimrod Sentinels control the American Southwest that has been abandoned by what's left of the US government; Texas has seceded from the union and Peter Parker is still dead.

Divided We Fall


Here's the current line-up of Ultimate Comics:

The Ultimates (DWF begins at #13)
Written by Sam Humphries (Our Love Is Real; Higher Earth)
Illustrated by Billy Tan (Shadowland, New Avengers: Secret Invasion)

Losing Hickman is a bad sign for this title. He did a fantastic job of breathing life back into the Ultimates but his storyline with Reed Richards and The City wrapped up a bit too quickly. However, Humphries has been working with him to ensure a smooth transition so it may be prudent to remain optimistic. Issue #13 at least is a strong start to the new storyline: Captain America returns, Iron Man has a new set of armor and the Ultimates will reunite to take back America


X-Men (DWF begins at #14)
Written by Brian Wood (DMZ; Northlanders; Conan the Barbarian; The Massive; Demo; X-Men [yeah the 616 version...he's doing both])
Illustrated by Paco Medina (Ultimate Comics: X-Men) & Reilly Brown (Cable & Deadpool; Prince of Power)

Real talk: Nick Spencer's twelve issue run on Ultimate Comics: X-Men was a mess. No storyline was given enough attention constantly moving from character to character between issues. Spencer brought back bad characters (or maybe he didn't?) with seemingly no reason or explanation. He raised dozens of questions without answering one of them. Wood however is doing his damnest to bring the focus back down to Kitty Pryde and her group of runaway mutants. Seeing sentinels as the responsibility of the "X-Men" Kitty and Co. are heading to the southwest to see what good they can do.


Spider-Man (DWF begins at #13)
Written by Brian Michael Bendis (Ultimate Comics: Spider-Man; The Avengers; New Avengers; Avengers vs. X-Men)
Illustrated by David Marquez (Fantastic Four: Season One; The Magdalena)

Have you enjoyed Ultimate Comics: Spider-Man so far since the relaunch? If so then you'll probably continue enjoying it. Not much has changed here. There is no indication Bendis will leave the title anytime soon, Sara Pichelli is no longer doing the art full-time (not that she ever really was) but David Marquez is no slouch and picks up the slack nicely. It's unknown what his role will be in "Divided We Fall" but it appears as though he'll be working with The Ultimates.


Spider-Men
Written by Brian Michael Bendis (see above)
Illustrated by Sara Pichelli (Ultimate Comics: Spider-Man)

In a move they swore would never be done, the 616 standard Marvel continuity universe and the Ultimate universe are crossing over. Courtesy of Mysterio, Peter Parker has found himself in a universe where a younger version of himself died protecting the ones he loved. This won't be a series for action or a great deal of plot but rather development of Miles Morales as the new Ultimate Spider-Man and tying up some loose ends with Spider-Man's extended cast resulting from "The Death of Spider-Man".

Kaleidoscope fucked around with this message at 09:14 on Jul 29, 2012

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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I want to remain optimistic about all the books. Partially because I've been a fan of the Ultimate U for awhile and partially because I'm concerned that if this re-launch doesn't pan out Marvel will just can the Ultimate line entirely and reboot the 616 Universe DC style in time for Iron Man 3 or something.

If anyone really wants a crash course in getting caught up all you really need is the Fallout books. They do a great job of setting up what is the new status quo. I would still recommend The Death of Spider-Man series though. Doomsday is pretty meh even if it's events did have fairly big ramifications.

And yeah after reading The Ultimates #1 I would highly recommend it to anybody. Very good pacing, I love Ribic's art and Reed Richards & The Children of Tomorrow are looking like an interesting plotline. Really pumped for the the new direction this series is taking.

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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Micgael posted:

Have they explained how if Peter Parker was a Reed Richards caliber scientist who invented webbing Miles Morales is swinging around on the cover? Organic webs?

They've explained almost nothing about Miles so far and it would seem like even he doesn't fully understand the range of his powers yet.

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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Seriously. Hickman's FF is one of the best Marvel books running right now IMO. Really looking forward to seeing where he's going.

I enjoyed Ultimate Fantastic Four but that was mostly only because of Reed. I loved his obsessive nature and the way people around him would react. I hope he lives up to the potential as a big tier threat to the Ultimates. Early previews indicate he makes the Asgardians mortal which I suppose is pretty significant act. I never really cared for suicidal Ben and now that Johnny is appears to be with the X-Men I could really care less what happens to Sue & Ben.

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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There's also a red-haired Wasp on Marko Djurdjevic's Ultimate Fallout variant. She's either a brand new Wasp or he has no idea what any version of Janet Van Dyne looks like. Hell even the Red Wasp was blonde.

I liked Ultimate Hawkeye but it does feel very much like a companion piece to the other Ultimate Comics. I'm glad they're going for a more unified universe but it should be allowed to stand on it's own (I'm impossible to please).

As far as Spider-Man goes, the door is definitely cracked open for Peter or a version of Peter to return if the need be but that wouldn't happen for at least a few couple years. Making Miles 13 is probably meant to emphasize the mistakes the role models made in Peter's life. You can't stop them from doing what they're doing, the best you can hope for is prepare them for these situations so that he doesn't become another Peter Parker. It'll be interesting to see how the first villain reacts to realizing he's fighting a middle-schooler.

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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Deadpool posted:

That's how Janet looked in Ultimates 3. I know we'd all rather forget, but it did happen. Her hair was red and brown in that series. Depending in the issue/panel of your choice.

gently caress you're right. Ugh, goddamn that book.

I really hope we don't see Osborn again for awhile. He's more Peter Parker's enemy than Spider-Man's and his revival was already half-assed as it is mostly serving as some poetic justification for the death of Spider-Man.

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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I love LaFuente's work. His Hellcat mini with Kathryn Immonen is a lot of fun and New Mutants is one of my favorite Marvel on-goings. I thought he was a good fit for UCSM at the time with the tone they had. Stuart Immonen worked well too and I'm looking forward to Pichelli continuing on with the book. Chris Samnee also did the final Death of Spider-Man prologue, that was great stuff but I love pretty much everything he does. Thor: The Mighty Adventure and Captain America & Bucky are both really fun books.

Bagley however I never really liked all that much. Ultimate Spider-Man was generally a good book with competent art, there was just never anything about Bagley's style I found particularly inspired or interesting.

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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The Ultimates, is very much a product of it's time. Back then in the 616 continuity Disassembled hadn't even occurred yet. The idea of a more "realistic" and cinematic super-hero book was unheard especially from the big two. Yeah everyone can be a bit of an rear end in a top hat but they felt like they reacted to problems in more feasible ways and they weren't a bunch of lunatics in spandex fighting crime just, well, because.

Look at it this way: Thor is a god come to earth. How would people really react to something like that? The cult idea was an interesting premise. And how would he react? If he were a god he would be "above" it all so being under the authority of a mortal would probably irk him hence the way he shrugs off Fury.

Hulk is a scientist who was accidentally made himself into an uncontrollable, unstoppable monster. This is pretty much amped up to the nth degree in Ultimates. Tony Stark is a alcoholic, billionaire, adrenaline junkie. Captain America is a soldier from possibly the most defendable war in American history brought to the 21st Century. He was a soldier, not a crime-fighter, and questioning America was not really something you did back then.

Millar is a very divisive writer and perhaps for good reason. He took identifiable traits for these classic Avengers and blew them up, magnified them in ways that made them flawed individuals and this was pretty compelling for a super-hero book. It was refreshing.

Many of these traits still exist in the Ultimate books but not nearly to the extreme under Millar. I hope your initial impressions doesn't turn you off of the imprint/universe entirely or the current series under Hickman.

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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ChuckDHead posted:

I did not know that there was a shitstorm over Nick Fury being black. My only real issue with his Ultimate version is that he somehow changed face between his appearances in Ultimate X-Men and Ultimate Spider-Man.

That was before they got the approval from Sam Jackson to use his likeness. Also there was asian Janet Van Dyne.

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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SpeedofLife posted:

You say that like it's been retconned or something. She's still (was) Asian. She's only been drawn as Caucasian a few times. Joe Mad hosed it up for the first two issues of Ultimates 3 but she was back to being Asian by issue #3. Greg Land awlays drew her as Caucasian, but who cares he's a poo poo artist anyway. And Brian Hitch drew her as a white woman in his Ultimate Fallout section but I think he was just confused.

That's not what I was implying. Only that she is another 616 character who is of a different ethnic background in the Ultimate Universe thus providing fuel to the fire of those that would be upset by such changes.

Kaleidoscope fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Sep 9, 2011

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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Rhyno posted:

I'm just saying, the events have been rewritten into this loving little fairy tale like it was planned from the start. It's annoying.

Look buddy, I'm sorry if I got that detail wrong. I didn't do an especially immense amount of digging. Wikipedia mentions that the likeness was used with Jackson's permission and cites an interview in which the interviewer asks if was aware his likeness was being used and he says, "Yeah I know. We talked about it. It’s cool." So sorry if I confused that to assume they got his okay beforehand. One would think a big company like Marvel even prior to Disney wouldn't be drawing a major character in a very obvious likeness to a hugely famous movie star without some sort of approval first.

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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Fair enough, though it could be pretty great to see Tommy Lee Jones play Norman Osborn in the Spider-Man reboot.

What recognizable individual has Greg Land ever traced other than random porn stars?

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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No one here is ever going to come out in defense of Land's art, I can promise you that. But anyways this is a derail since Land doesn't even illustrate any of the Ultimate Comics titles [EDIT: Yeah I know he used to do Ultimate FF and Ultimate Power but let's not discuss those days].

The sales of The Ultimates #1 are certainly disappointing but I think the real test will be with Spider-Man. Brand new character that got a lot of mainstream publicity and it was already generally the best-selling of the Ultimate Comics books.

Kaleidoscope fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Sep 13, 2011

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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Mister Roboto posted:

Actually that reminds me, if Miles is 13 at the moment, that means he'll be 14 when Peter dies, possibly almost 15.

That's only a few months from when Peter started.

Miles is going into middle school/junior high. I believe the implication is that he'll be thirteen when the story rejoins the current Ultimate timeline.

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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I posted:

I always wondered how Wolverine reformed himself from a skeleton after being blown away by Nitro. Does his power set include super-rapid photosynthesis, chemosynthesis and nitrogen fixation?

Keeping this in the Ultimate U, in 'Ultimate Wolverine vs. Hulk', Fury tells Wolverine his mutant power is less healing and more technically suriving (he tells him this while Logan is just a head on a desk) but then Ultimate Wolverine proved far less resilient than his 616 counterpart in Ultimatum. For all the hate the book gets, I enjoyed it, but then I read it as a trade, not single issues.

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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Lurdiak posted:

Ultimate Avengers vs New Ultimates was basically a bag full of air with really cool stuff painted on the bag. but if you try to reach in and find anything of substance, it deflates with a farting noise.

It had great Leinil Yu art and it did what it needed to do, get Fury back at the head of S.H.I.E.L.D. I'm not saying it ranks anywhere near Hickman's Ultimates so far or even Millar's original run but it was better than Ultimate Comics: Avengers and worlds better than Loeb's Ultimates books. I enjoyed it.

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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Lurdiak posted:

Yeah for some crazy reason I didn't read a comic written by Loeb and illustrated by Land. What an awful idea using both versions together is.

E: The more I think about it, the less sense it makes!

Actually it makes perfect sense. Why let the two of them ruin two perfect decent titles when you can just stick both of the assholes on the same lovely book? Sounds pretty drat efficient if you ask me.

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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notthegoatseguy posted:

^^^It's nice knowing that there's this whole universe that's going on and progressing around Spidey.

I'd like to see someone do something with those characters like Iron Fist & Moon Knight in the Ultimate U but only if they could figure out a unique and interesting direction to go in rather than copy them from 616. There could be some more breathing room now that the Kingpin is dead. Hell, with the new Mysterio give the Black Cat her own mini. She's a bit more fleshed out than the others and it could be weird trying to fit her into Miles' story. I was hoping if Ultimate Hawkeye did well we might see a string of minis that would run alongside the main three as the fourth Ultimate book from month to month but so far nothing's been announced.

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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Nevvy Z posted:

Also he's got Spider-Woman to hang out with.

I feel like I don't remember any of her reaction to Peter's death.

She's basically him, and he died, and all her friends and family who don't know her but she knows are sad. I feel like she'd at least stop by incognito.

She's got his memories but she's not him. It seemed like before she was attempting to put some distance between her and Peter, hence her joining SHIELD and soon the Ultimates Clone relationships are weird and impossible to define in any truly natural way because as far as relationships go they are completely fictional. It one of the reasons I wish comics didn't rely on that trope so heavily.

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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Does having real presidents ever really add anything to the story though? If anything it always took me out because it can immediately date a comic. With the way timelines go in comics I don't think it makes a lot of sense to keep up with current world leaders.

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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Reed becomes an easier character to write/read once you simply accept that he is in fact a genius and possibly the smartest man on earth without some sort of need for evidence. It's part of what defines his character.

I'm still not a fan of how this progression was treated in Bendis' Ultimate Doomsday but I like the idea of a Reed who is just sick to death of bureaucrats, scientists and other alpha know-it-alls telling him what he can and can't do. I love it even more that rather than try to improve the world for humans he just decided to remake his own.

I'm sure in the end he'll end up defeated because hey this is comics and The Ultimates isn't going to end soon but I do hope that in the process he still proves himself right so he can slink away his newly smug rear end in a top hat self.

Also I don't think the reveal was written to be a huge get for the audience. More so for the reactions from Fury and the Ultimates. This is probably the first time (or at least since Ultimate Galactus) that these guys have taken Reed seriously. What he's doing now is far more serious and threatening than the cartoonishly evil escapades of Reed in Doomsday.

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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I think he was asked about that and Hickman said he considers them to be closer to the Ultimate Children of the Atom.

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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Waterhaul posted:

They are not Ultimate Children of the Atom, they're an Ultimatized version of the Children of the Vault.

Ah, that's right. 'Children of the Atom' is the subtitle to the old X-Men arcade game.


bairfanx posted:

It's like they forgot that he built a gun that used universes as bullets.

Yeah and it was never mentioned again despite that Reed's greatest fear was that Fury would want to use it as a military threat.

Kaleidoscope fucked around with this message at 09:46 on Dec 6, 2011

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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TwoPair posted:

I'm sure they'll be in Ultimates eventually. I mean, how are you gonna have a story with one evil FF member and not drag the other three in?

Because Johnny's chillin' with the X-Men and the other two are boring as poo poo.

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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Spiderdrake posted:

That's sort of a big problem with comics in general right now.

There is no tension or even apprehension surrounding death. People die and then whatever?

Fear Itself has gotta be one of the worst offenders in that realm. Killing off two major characters and subsequently revealing them as still being alive in the immediate epilogue issues. What a waste of an event that was.

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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Mister Roboto posted:

I kind of hope that IS God for real instead of yet another unbelievable resurrection.

That should say a lot about the state of comic writing.

Just a stab in the dark but given the path they're going down and the hints we've been given (and the cover for #7) I'm guessing he's an illusion created by the [potentially living] Scarlet Witch and this is somehow part of the plan that either she or Pietro is running.

Either way they're probably setting the stage for some previously dead character to make a comeback. While it's rare in the Ultimate U it's not unheard of, especially for the X-Men (i.e. Beast...goddammit Kirkman).

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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Dacap posted:

Yeah, she is. Her and Xavier used to be together until he dumped her for Emma Frost. I think she's still alive, I don't recall her dying in Ultimatum.

I don't think she even did anything in Ultimatum. Maybe she appeared in the final scene with Pietro but that would be about it. Certainly a possibility it could be her.

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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Sgt. Politeness posted:

Ew, no thank you.

What's wrong with Sara Pichelli?

Nothing, her art is amazing. People are just bitching that she doesn't have a faster turn-around like Bagley did despite the fact that they have wildly different styles.

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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SpeedofLife posted:

Tell that to Loeb and Millar.

What are you talking about? Millar was the one who developed Ultimate Hulk's origin in The Ultimates as well as that of his mentor in Ultimate Comics: Avengers, neither of which had anything to do with gamma radiation. Both were trying to recreate the super solider serum.

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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bobkatt013 posted:

No Bendis did in Ultimate Team-up

Bendis created Ultimate Green Hulk. This was purely through Banner's attempt at creating a super-soldier serum. Ultimate Grey Hulk was the result of mixing that serum with Steve Rogers blood sample and has been the Ultimate Hulk since Millar's The Ultimates. Also Tyrone, Banner's hulked out mentor, was entirely Millar's creation. Again, no gamma radiation mentioned anywhere.

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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SpeedofLife posted:

Let's be stop the fanwanking and be honest here: Millar and Loeb hosed up. They're both arrogant artists that don't care about what other writers have contributed to the universe.


I will never defend Loeb but that is exactly what I'm trying to say about Millar. He basically established what Ultimate Hulk is and how he became that. Millar has a lot of issues but I legitimately enjoyed his Ultimate books and some of the contributions he disregarded made the universe better (i.e. Card's atrocious Iron Man books).

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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Well, a new Nova is set to appear in the Avengers vs. X-Men/Phoenix event.

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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If Bendis and Pichelli are involved it's more than likely an Ultimate storyline, but I doubt we'll see a crossover with 616.

Isn't Ultimate Kaine/the scarred Parker clone still alive? I could see him trying to take the mantel of Spider-Man and Miles having to prove himself over an insane version of the person he's modeling his persona after.

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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rugbert posted:

How was that a terrorist attack? The US dumped their entire stock of nuclear bombs on The City, who in response retaliated justly. Reed made it very clear that he just wanted to be left alone.

After The City took out a huge chuck of Eastern Europe.

TwoPair posted:

Wait, that article mentions that Mysterio's been traveling between 616 and Ultimate for a while now. Um... when? I wasn't reading much Ultimate prior to Peter's death, but I've read every one of the new ones and I haven't seen any Mysterio.

Ultimate Mysterio first appeared in the arc directly preceding "Death of Spider-Man". We haven't actually seen *him* though, only animatronic bodies controlled remotely by him. It'd be interesting to find he's the same person as the 616 Mysterio since the Ultimate version seems more advanced and ambitious.

Kaleidoscope fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Apr 27, 2012

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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That's unfortunate, the Ultimate U is one of the few hats Bendis wears that I can still stomach and I liked what he did with Ultimate Mysterio

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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Sion posted:

Is Colossus still gay or did they retcon that out?

They haven't done anything to suggest otherwise but pretty sure Northstar died in the Ultimatum wave.

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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Hey everyone, with Spider-Men starting soon, Brian Wood starting on Ultimate Comics: X-Men and Hickman officially leaving Ultimates with #12 I think I'm gonna update the OP this week.

Is there anything in particular you'd like to see in it or should I just follow a similar format to how it is now? Should a new thread title be discussed?

There have certainly been some rough patches in the relaunch but I'm still enjoying the hell out of the Ultimate line (yes even Spencer's X-Men) and am continuing to look forward to what direction they take it in.

Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

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Dacap posted:

Isn't there a crossover with all three books coming up? Maybe that will reconcile things a bit.
Spoilers I guess?

Yeah, the next Ultimates storyline, "Divided We Fall" will have a crossover with the new Ultimate Spider-Man apparently (No involvement from the X-Men though it seems).

September solicitations posted:

ULTIMATE COMICS SPIDER-MAN #14
BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS (w) • DAVID MARQUEZ (a)
Cover by JORGE MOLINA
DIVIDED WE FALL!
• The first-ever Ultimates/Ultimate Spider-Man team up!!
• With the nation at war, Miles Morales decides to become a member of the Ultimates and he will do anything it takes to earn the right.

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Kaleidoscope
Sep 8, 2007

The Internet makes me dizzy.

Belmont Geoffrion posted:

The other night I decided to check out the Miles Morales' comics, and I really really like the character and was hoping to find a copy of #1 before it really gets expensive, and was wondering what price I should generally pay for it if my local comic store can't find anywhere with a back copy. So yeah, what should I expect to pay for Ultimate All-New Spider-Man #1?

Not sure about an individual issue but the first trade featuring the first five issues is out now.

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