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I dunno why, but every time I see a Quebecois metalhead, I know immediately that they are from Quebec. They don't even have to say anything. I've never even been to Quebec. Anyone else know what I mean?
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futile posted:Well I have now. A decent laugh from Gwar and Agalloch and maybe a tear at the Mustaine thing. Then I noticed the image at the top. Love it. Eh, it doesn't surprise me from Mustaine, although I'd heard about him and Santorum before. I do think I have to agree with Gwar on this one though. They should see what good old Varg has to say.
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Sweet christ yessssssBlabbermouth.net posted:Swedish black metallers MARDUK will embark on a North American tour in June with support from 1349, WITHERED and WEAPON. The dates are as follows: This is awesome. The Alrosa Villa is five minutes away from my apartment; definitely stoked for this.
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Mar 7, 2012 22:00
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Nothing in new england at all 
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Devin Townsend is  Haven't heard the new Sigh yet, is it similar to Imaginary Sonicscape? Their earlier more harsh stuff is pretty good if unfocused, they were still getting the whole genre-hopping thing down. Everything after Sonicscape has been above-average-not-amazing to me. Also I wonder what 'G' word their next album will start with (way better naming gimmick than Morbid Angel  ).
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It's got a few upbeat Gallows Gallery-esque tunes at either end of the album with a big long suite of spacey psychedelic stuff reminiscent of Imaginary Sonicscape in the middle. Definitely a unique beast though; describing it in terms of their previous material doesn't really do it justice. Also there was a recent interview wherein Mirai said this could be their last album 
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Mar 8, 2012 00:07
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Mammal Sauce posted:Also there was a recent interview wherein Mirai said this could be their last album What?! I hope not, but drat what an awesome album to go out on.
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Mar 8, 2012 01:29
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Turk February posted:Marduk A few people have bagged on Marduk for being pretty same-y and boring, but goddamn do they put on an awesome and professional live show. I've seen them twice and they were great both times.
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Mar 8, 2012 07:56
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Mammal Sauce posted:It's got a few upbeat Gallows Gallery-esque tunes at either end of the album with a big long suite of spacey psychedelic stuff reminiscent of Imaginary Sonicscape in the middle. Definitely a unique beast though; describing it in terms of their previous material doesn't really do it justice. But... it's only at SIGH in the next cycle of album titles. There need to be at least 2 more albums.
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Mar 8, 2012 08:14
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:The Agalloch one is hilarious, it's the exact same "Does he know what he sounds like" I expect from them at all times I hope someone responds "I support voting so you can get that little sticker that gives you free drinks at all the bars so you can forget the whole experience." But Korpiklaani is Finnish, and I doubt they have those stickers in Finland.
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Baron Von Ghoulosh posted:I would make no such claim. It's going to take a whole hell of a lot of metal to make up for infecting the rest of the world with likes of Nickleback. Um Nickleback aren't Canadian, they're from Alberta?
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Diet Poison posted:Um Nickleback aren't Canadian, they're from Alberta? I dunno if you mean Alberta in Alabama, Michigan, Minnesota or Virginia, but Nickelback are from This Alberta. Of course you may have just been making a "hee hee but Alberta isn't real Canada" joke for some reason. I wouldn't know since I'm not from around those parts.
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Mar 8, 2012 12:19
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Jeez the last page or so had entirely too much tech death. And sigh talk, that band has been awful for over a decade. Have something good. Or if you must listen to tech, the Timeghoul discography was released as a comp not so long ago. Oh and the new Demoncy has been floating about for a while now I guess. The Clit Avoider fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Mar 8, 2012 |
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Mar 8, 2012 15:11
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The Clit Avoider posted:Have something good. This is loving nasty. I'm surprised by how many 80s thrash bands I've never heard of at all.
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Mar 8, 2012 16:04
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The Clit Avoider posted:Jeez the last page or so had entirely too much tech death. And sigh talk, that band has been awful for over a decade.
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Just heard about that Marduk show today -- like most here I assume, they were one of the first BM bands I got into. Mainly for their "gently caress Me Jesus" ep.  Them and 1349 should be a nice night.
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Mar 8, 2012 16:44
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The Clit Avoider posted:Have something good. Speaking of Whiplash, I'm looking for more speed/thrash similar to them, early-Razor and early-Overkill. Basically bands that listened to too much Motorhead and have awesome singers and guitar riffs. Any recommendations?
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Vintersorg posted:Just heard about that Marduk show today -- like most here I assume, they were one of the first BM bands I got into. Mainly for their "gently caress Me Jesus" ep. drat, they're playing with Withered and Weapon. Should be awesome.
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Mar 8, 2012 17:04
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Witchfinder General posted:That whole album is incredible and I think Spit on Your Grave is one of the best songs ever. The underground is pretty much trying to spawn a speed/[insert subgenre that isn't thrash here] revival. Try Hellbringer, Trench Hell from Oz to see what I mean. However, Midnight is pretty much the most obvious shout in the world. More people need to know about Speedwolf though. And I doubt many guess the guys from Blasphemophager could play this kind of poo poo. Vocals an acquired taste mind. Depends what you can put up with - speed/black opens up Gehennah etc and a crapload of bands who want to be early Bathory (Power from Hell).
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The Clit Avoider posted:The underground is pretty much trying to spawn a speed/[insert subgenre that isn't thrash here] revival. Try Hellbringer, Trench Hell from Oz to see what I mean. A lot of black thrash and speed metal seems to bleed together for me especially if the production is poo poo (or purposefully poo poo). As much as I love early Bathory I'm not big on Power From Hell the band, but you just reminded me that Power From Hell the album by Onslaught is awesome so I'm listening to that now. Onslaught - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlPt7pyGpeg&feature=related WAY TO GO WAMPA!! fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Mar 8, 2012 |
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I'm new to the world of technical death metal, but come on, Spawn of Possession's new album has to be considered something special, right? This is absolutely ridiculous, inhuman material. I don't think I've heard musicianship and songwriting this intense before.
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Mar 8, 2012 20:53
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Witchfinder General posted:That whole album is incredible and I think Spit on Your Grave is one of the best songs ever. Yes, no, maybe so? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1KbRxNIeSw&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1KGOgxrPTQ&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwUwUvJ0fl4 Morbid Florist fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Mar 8, 2012 |
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Trees and Squids posted:I'm new to the world of technical death metal, but come on, Spawn of Possession's new album has to be considered something special, right? This is absolutely ridiculous, inhuman material. I don't think I've heard musicianship and songwriting this intense before. It's a good album but I wasn't blown away. Sorry, i'm that guy.
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Trees and Squids posted:I'm new to the world of technical death metal, but come on, Spawn of Possession's new album has to be considered something special, right? This is absolutely ridiculous, inhuman material. I don't think I've heard musicianship and songwriting this intense before. Here's the thing with musicianship. Today, you can spend 30 minutes on youtube and find some little kid who's better. Musicianship isn't special anymore, for me, its more about how intense the music is. It has to invoke emotions, tech death typically is a genre that doesn't do that. The album is very good, but its still tech death.
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SoP's Incurso is good stuff, but I'm feeling a lot of the same reactions I had to last year's Origin and Obscura albums. Nothing's blowing me away quite on the level of Entity, but I can tell Incurso is probably gonna grow on me. edit: It grew on me, Incurso's pretty fuckin' awesome. MMF DOOM fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Mar 9, 2012 |
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Mar 9, 2012 01:54
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Impiety promo release! Woo, this is fun! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-32eaHpkFg&feature=share
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I honestly believe that 99.9% of tech metal is absolutely woeful, and production techniques commonly used by the bands contribute to making them sound even worse (the guitar tones are obnoxious most of the time for a start, let's not even discuss drums). This is especially true for tech death and brutal tech death, which frequently blurs the lines between deathcore and death metal in production. (As an aside, technical deathcore may very well be the biggest aural abomination I can think of). Of the stuff I find acceptable, most don't sound far removed from the genre they're part of (eg. Obliveon), that is to say, without being told they're expressly playing technical music you wouldn't sit and think "oh my god the bass lines" or whatever. Others (Demilich) are just so far removed from everything else that the overlying thoughts are on how alien it is, rather than technical - amazing songwriting doesn't hurt either. However for the most part, tech death bands write albums like loving Gorguts - chaotic to the point of being disjointed, technical to the point of boredom (something that isn't helped by riff recycling and being too long), and atonal to the point of apathy. It doesn't rouse any emotion in me at all. Too many polyrhythms and layers just endlessly merging into each other, only to be repeated at a later junction. Obscura just sounds like a bunch of guys got together and tried to make an album that sounds artsy and technical and blended far too many ideas. People talk about how many genres it draws influence from - and I'd rather be listening to any of those genres than that album. If all you want to do is drool over how well a band can play instruments, then just skip everyone else and listen to Pavor and Martyr.
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Sounds like you need some Gorod in your life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RsG1Vo7kYo&hd=1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk33XxnPJNs&hd=1 But yeah I understand what you mean. So far there's been 3 tech death bands that stand out to me: Gorod, Spawn of Possession and Necrophagist (< might be because it's the band that got me into the genre, so I might be biased). Gorod is probably my favorite band in the genre since it's just so god drat groovy and catchy I can't get enough of it, while still remaining brutal  . SoP has this crazy sinister sound and some catchy melodies to boot, and Necrophagist well gently caress I dont know, I just like them for some reason. Oh gently caress I almost forgot Beyond Creation, they're just awesome.The rest of the tech death that I've heard has been pretty boring and forgettable, especially this recent "brutal tech death" that apparently exists now. Tech death is probably my favorite genre because I'm a shallow idiot that needs something to hold my attention through out the songs. The typical verse, chorus, verse, chorus, solo, verse, chorus structure, where the verse consists of like 3 chords and the chorus is 3 different ones, just doesn't hold my attention. 
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Early Morbid Angel is actually extremely technical and yet doesn't sound it because of the song structure they employed. And At the Gates may well be the kings of song structure. Honestly, there's thousands of bands out there that don't follow generic structure and progression - it's not nu-metal.
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The Clit Avoider posted:Early Morbid Angel is actually extremely technical and yet doesn't sound it because of the song structure they employed. And At the Gates may well be the kings of song structure. Yeah, sorry, I didn't mean to state it as a fact that every genre that isn't tech death is generic and boring. I've just had some trouble finding something I like as much as tech death that isn't tech death.
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Westopher posted:Spawn o Possession's Incurso is good stuff, but... This really took a while to click for me too. At first I shrugged it off as pretty generic death, but I gave it another spin and there's definitely some killer stuff going on in it. I haven't been so impressed by bass playing on a death metal album since Cryptopsy's None So Vile. If you like The Faceless, then you have to check this it out. The album is streaming here
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lordblytzkrieg posted:It has to invoke emotions, tech death typically is a genre that doesn't do that. The Clit Avoider posted:It doesn't rouse any emotion in me at all. It's funny because the biggest emotional response I get from metal music is when I hear a really good riff or solo. It's like an upsurge of energy and joy which is really hard to describe. I think it has something to do with the concentration required to properly absorb the complexity of the music (Leibniz said the joy in music comes from "a hidden arithmetic exercise of the soul, which does not know that it is counting"). The problem is I think brains get better at discerning complexity. When I was a kid I would get this joyful response from listening to Metallica, Iron Maiden etc., but soon all that stuff was too slow and simplistic. Then came Dream Theater, Symphony X, and guys like Satch and Vinnie Moore, but soon even they started getting a bit tame. Now most of the riffs that make my brain leap for joy come from technical death metal. When I first heard this 10 or so seconds I had the same emotional response as listening to seek and destroy or phantom of the opera when I was 10. I don't really get any other emotional response from metal. It doesn't make me angry or eager to burn down churches or whatever. (I agree that lots of tech death is pretty bad though. I'm always waxing lyrical about psycroptic and necrophagist but I'm not really a fan of obscura.)
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I don't get why people say stuff like "a lot of tech death is bad" like that's unique to that subgenre. A lot of music is bad
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fuf posted:It's funny because the biggest emotional response I get from metal music is when I hear a really good riff or solo. It's like an upsurge of energy and joy which is really hard to describe. I think it has something to do with the concentration required to properly absorb the complexity of the music (Leibniz said the joy in music comes from "a hidden arithmetic exercise of the soul, which does not know that it is counting"). So, let me get this straight - your viewpoint is that people that don't appreciate the inherent complexity of technical music are somehow either unable to concentrate to the degree necessary to appreciate it, or are otherwise lacking cerebrally and have never moved past enjoying "simple" compositions? Yeah, I'm being deliberately obtuse, but... Since you're throwing philosophical reasoning into the mix, I'd just point out that one of the cornerstones of "art" is that the medium chosen is attempting to convey emotion. That is to say, all forms of art should be able to move the observer or listener in some form - whether it be joy, sadness, anger, or otherwise. Whether that's because the artist is attempting to share their own emotions or provoke a response, or purely something the observer feels is dependent on the art in question - but it's the very emotions that it stirs that makes the experience subjective. Does that mean that something that provokes only apathy and boredom isn't art? No, but it does suggest that there's something deeply flawed in applying a quote by Leibniz to justify what amounts to an analytical approach to enjoying music. It's a bit like walking around telling people that nature is beautiful purely because of the almost universal conformation to the golden ratio - you're no longer appreciating the subject, but merely elevating a single aspect of its existence at the expense of all others in an almost robotic fashion.
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I dunno, I started listening to tech death when I was in high school I guess because of the "holy gently caress, how can these guys play this?" factor. Then again, my favorite tech death band was Necrophagist and they haven't even put out an album in years, which may explain why I've grown weary of the genre. The last few pages of this thread reinvigorated my interest though. Honestly, I've always been a fan of somewhat "technical" music, whether it be Yes or Dream Theater or Coroner. Might just be the whole progressive aspect of the music. I enjoy that stuff for different reasons than I enjoy "simpler" music. As far as emotional response, I can get off just as easily on Peter Gabriel solo stuff than I can Behemoth. Personally I tend to get a better emotional reaction when I can kind of understand what the artist is trying to do with a particular song. Sometimes this takes multiple listens or even revisiting the album to wrap the music around my head. So I guess in the base level, understanding the music helps me connect with it, so to speak.
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fuf posted:It's funny because the biggest emotional response I get from metal music is when I hear a really good riff or solo. It's like an upsurge of energy and joy which is really hard to describe. I think it has something to do with the concentration required to properly absorb the complexity of the music (Leibniz said the joy in music comes from "a hidden arithmetic exercise of the soul, which does not know that it is counting"). I should have clarified, it doesn't invoke a lot of emotion for me at all. Like Vargatron I got into tech death because of the "holy gently caress" factor as well, but speed and technicality doesn't excite me anymore. It's not special anymore, and that's 100% because of the internet and the hundreds of youtube sensations destroying all sense of their life to play a 300bpm arpeggio. As I've grown older I have started to look at a whole song and the whole idea of what they're trying to convey. When it's a disjointed mess of tempo changes and atonal riffing it bothers me. Now, some songs are amazing standouts for me in the genre. Obscura's Incarnated is a sick song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzjKMYsiGyk Along with Origin's first track on Antithesis. That track is just pure aggression non-stop. I love it. Also it might be because when I go to local shows there's always a band that tries to be the next Necrophagist and it's annoying because they're not.
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The Clit Avoider posted:So, let me get this straight - your viewpoint is that people that don't appreciate the inherent complexity of technical music are somehow either unable to concentrate to the degree necessary to appreciate it, or are otherwise lacking cerebrally and have never moved past enjoying "simple" compositions? Yeah, I'm being deliberately obtuse, but... Not really, I was just talking about my own enjoyment of metal and how it has changed.  I'm sure people have all kinds of different responses to music. I guess my post might have implied I was talking more universally though, sorry.But I do think it's true that if you listen to lots of metal you develop a taste or sensitivity that lets you enjoy music that is literally "just noise" to lots of people. It's nothing to do with being more advanced, it's just a taste, like lots of other acquired tastes. quote:Since you're throwing philosophical reasoning into the mix, I'd just point out that one of the cornerstones of "art" is that the medium chosen is attempting to convey emotion. That is to say, all forms of art should be able to move the observer or listener in some form - whether it be joy, sadness, anger, or otherwise. Whether that's because the artist is attempting to share their own emotions or provoke a response, or purely something the observer feels is dependent on the art in question - but it's the very emotions that it stirs that makes the experience subjective. I wasn't talking about what art is or what emotions it should evoke. I was literally just talking about my own emotional reaction to metal music. The Leibniz quote has nothing to do with defining art or what is beautiful (in my post or in its original context).
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This is really good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7Ar3ckeVOg
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fuf posted:This is really good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7Ar3ckeVOg That guy's videos are hilarious! His Radio Disney version of Messugah's Bleed Is really pretty impressive.
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Why hate tech death? I can enjoy listening to Beyond Creation than going straight into Whiplash any day of the week. More the merrier.
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