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Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


I'm glad for that. To me, power metal is perfect at what it does, and for the most part it seems largely above the race to the bottom many other subgenres of metal suffer from. It's not my favorite kind of metal, but I like how consistent it has been over the years.

I like new ideas, but I have a hard time appreciating change for the sake of change. Making your music harder, darker, and tuning down the guitars another whole-step while making your lyrics even more incomprehensible -all for the sake of being different- is not exactly brilliant or interesting, and I can think of a few bands where that sort of philosophy has ruined perfectly good music.

Power metal has a decent range of quality and sound, but it's consistent, and the formula doesn't seemed to get messed with that much, which I see as a good thing.

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Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


het posted:

Man, I like power metal, but you make it sound like oatmeal.

Just because you can't see a reason for change doesn't make it change solely for the sake of change.

Haha, I didn't mean to make it sound like oatmeal like you say, I enjoy the hell out of it, and the genre is far from bland, but it really only does one specific thing for me.

I'll concede your second point to a certain degree, I just don't understand how metal is on this perpetual quest to be harder-darker-faster-more brutal-what-have-you, because after a certain point it just sounds like noise to my ears. I listen to metal more than any other genre, but once you start getting to stuff that's harder than, say, Kalmah and Arch Enemy (and I know I'll be laughed at for this, but whatever), I don't get how anyone could enjoy it. I realize tastes are subjective, but I was just remarking that most power metal bands seem to be quite above that race to the bottom, which I can appreciate because I don't care for it at all.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


Shimrra Jamaane posted:

So, a sample of Metallica and Lou Reed's collaboration has been released.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZhnTY_tdeU

What the gently caress did I just listen to?

Metallica... why? Why?

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


So, the Lou Reed + Metallica abortion/thing has a new clip. No, it's not any better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho3cxShzsNE

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


Non Serviam posted:

This means Hetfield needs to go back into rehab.

I think it means the opposite.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


I'm not a guy that needs solos for the sake of solos, since plenty of metal bands can make songs work without them. I think your real problem here is listening to Korn.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


There's also Kalmah. In their older albums, the keyboards are at the forefront quite a bit, they start taking on a background role in the later albums.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


I gave Gallowbraid a listen and I fell in love, and it's total blue-balls that there is only one relatively short EP. I don't even normally like this kind of metal but God drat it's just good.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


Elrond Hubbard posted:

Odd question, but does anyone have the lyrics for Gallowbraid's 'Ashen Eidolon' album?

I would like to know this as well, the lyrics sound hypnotic but gently caress if i can make out what's being said.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


I work/intern at a small recording studio, and I get to meet a former member of Megadeth later today. I know there's a bunch of them, and this guy might have only been there as a session musician on The System Has Failed... but it's still kind of neat and I'm excited!

It's one of the Jimmys that's been in Megadeth, I haven't been given a last name yet and I don't know why I'm posting about this, but if I get the chance I'm going to ask one or two dumb questions about the band/Mustaine, without a doubt.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


Vargatron posted:

I really have a hard time believing that any power metal band takes themselves seriously. Sure, you can be proud of the musicality and complexity, but somewhere deep down in your mind, you realize that singing about dragons and elves is totally loving retarded loving awesome.

I know we would all like to believe that, and some guys obviously don't take it *too* seriously, but while I don't know any big-time musicians, I know a few small-time ones that managed to get a bit of local and small-market radio play back in the 80s, and a few that do small venues around Dallas currently, and a lot of them take themselves very seriously, to the point where it's almost psychotic. Cover bands for Neil Diamond, or New-Agey rock & roll, it didn't really matter, they were all egomaniacs convinced of their own genius.

These guys are not a metal band mind you, but for example, I know some people that were a part of This band from the 80s. Listen to/watch the video on that website. That band took themselves very seriously, despite being completely ridiculous and silly. They still treat their music like it's a job.

It's not hard for me to believe that some of those power-metal bands think they are God's gift to the planet earth and that their music is not a joke.

Riot Bimbo fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Feb 23, 2012

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


I know Dragonforce is pretty much cheating, but:

quote:

Blind my eyes burning forever to wash my sins away
Out of the dark pain is the price
Fly away out of the raging storm
Lost within my memories
Still haunting me
A never ending story

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


I really love Diablo Swing Orchestra's swing-ragtime-metal thing they have going on in a few of their songs, but I can't say I'm fond of the rest of what they do. Some of their songs are pretty drat terrible and boring, but I'm not sure anyone else is around that combines swing and metal so they'll always have a spot on my playlist.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


DEAR RICHARD posted:

What the gently caress is this

Can't you read? The motherfucking Metal Masters loving your ear-pussy with their sweet tunes.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


Great Horny Toads! posted:

Hey, guys. Just stopping by to drop off Kreator's shiny, new cover of "Number of the Beast". gently caress yeah.

If I'm alone here, that's fine, but I really feel like they just took a big fat stinky poo poo all over an amazing song. I like Kreator a bit, but certain songs don't lend themselves to being covered well, which is why I wish heavier metal bands would stop covering Iron Maiden. If you can't match Bruce Dickinson's intensity and awesomeness you should just not touch their songs.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


Sometimes intros are good. Baroness' Blue Record has an intro and an outro that are pretty drat good. Bullhead's Psalm, and it segways really well into the second track, The Sweetest Curse.

Baroness is for the stoner/doom thread I guess, but not all 'intro' songs are bad; just most of them.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


Lars never fails to look ridiculous. I know they're all old but he looks geriatric.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


Hammer Floyd posted:



Metal with banjos. There may be a reason why nobody's ever done it before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5Rz79SeTsE

I'm pretty ashamed to admit this song is what made me discover Credence Clearwater Revival but there it is; metal with banjos.

edit: also what sounds like a player piano at one point

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


Man, I hadn't checked in on one of my favorite bands, Kalmah, in a while. Apparently they're in the end-stages of making a new album, due for spring of next year.

They've apparently already shot a new music video and are releasing lovely teasers like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tU79u3mZ4M

Regardless, I love Kalmah. For The Revolution was a bit of a misfire, but otherwise I love their catalog and I would go so far as to say they're responsible for keeping my interest in metal alive.

I don't know how this thread feels about them, but I think they're worthy of discussion.

If you're not familiar with Kalmah, they're a melodic-death metal band that has managed to not regress into mediocrity unlike a bunch of big names in that genre. They also have amazing lyrical content. The lyricist has a solid grasp of English, but I wouldn't call him fluent, and the result are lyrics that sound like epic stories, or rather serious thoughts on life/politics that have been run through Babelfish. I really enjoy deciphering the lyrics and the intent. Although admittedly the lyricist has improved over the years, so it gets less funny and more awesome as they progress.

I have no idea how well-known they are, so here's a bit of their stuff for the unfamiliar. They definitely deserve more attention than they get regardless.

Early stuff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEvMWirqRQ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz2irxsZKH0

The Black Waltz, which was kind of a shift in their vocal style and sound:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmZxKquN-Mk

Their last album's eponymous track, 12 Guage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_-KFIbW12A

Each album is fairly distinct from each-other in my opinion. They're all pretty great, except tracks on their album For The Revolution have pretty bad mixing/mastering for the most part. I'd say the one stand-out track from that album is Like A Slave, though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3UDe1nQckY

Riot Bimbo fucked around with this message at 10:54 on Dec 1, 2012

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


Fiendish Dr. Wu posted:

Why post that one when you could post the loving awesome music video for the same song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L4rHQu3npQ

(I loving love Kalmah)

(This is also one of my favorite music videos to show people asking me what I listen to)

I hadn't seen the video in a while, but my memory of it was that it had edited out the awesome intro, or some part of the song that I felt was important. The music video is indeed awesome though.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


You know, it's okay to like metal and video games, and if you're a musician you can like both without combining both, and I'll thank you not to.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


I knew that name sounded familiar, (Rigor Mortis), then I looked into them and I realized why.

Back in the 80s my father was in a band, and they rented out recording space for long blocs at a time, and they ran into Rigor Mortis more than once while doing their thing in the studio. My father played in a band that is pretty much the furthest thing from metal (not kidding), but they jammed a few times with Rigor in spite of it. I wish I had some recordings of that to show, but it sucks that another DFW musician has died.

I'll probably go ahead and give them a fair listen now.

Riot Bimbo fucked around with this message at 09:13 on Dec 24, 2012

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


Nordick posted:

For those, like, two goons besides me who still sincerely like Nightwish: They put up a new official live video of Ghost Love Score, with Floor Jansen still on the vocals. I just can't loving believe that woman, her performance towards the end of the song is absolutely stellar.
I guess you could even say she completely floored me.

Still hoping to loving God they hire her permanently after the tour.

I think Nightwish produced pretty ok music with neat guitar riffs and cool vocals up until they fired the major talent in the band in the most incredibly childish way possible. Once has a few tracks, and Oceanborn has even more that I would say are really good, but they never have been consistent to me.

That singer is still not Tarja, but she made Ghost Love Score listenable, and if they can hire her permanently I might give them a real chance to convince me that Tuomas isn't a completely contemptible manbaby who can't write anymore. Tarja did a really good job of hiding the flaws of Nightwish with her voice, if Floor Jansen can do that as well then good for her.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


That just sounded like all the *core music I've been avoiding since I've known about that kind of music. That band and song doesn't deserve the energy required to hate it. I'd rather still be mad at Metallica for almost everything they've made and done since 1990. And I am.

Anyway, I need/want more Diablo Swing Orchestra-like music in my life.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


Melodeath couldn't get mentioned without mentioning Kalmah, can it? I got into melodeath with Arch Enemy and Children of Bodom when you could still call CoB melodeath, but I discovered Kalmah one day, and if Arch Enemy is a hamburger, and Children Of Bodom is a 7/11 hotdog, then Kalmah is like Steak to me. Your Mileage Will Vary, but here's one of theirs that I personally like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L4rHQu3npQ

edit: Music Video contains lead guitarist shredding on a rifle. Watch even if you hate it.

Riot Bimbo fucked around with this message at 09:52 on Jan 28, 2013

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


Defiant Sally posted:

Kalmah is releasing a new album in June and is streaming a song here

https://soundcloud.com/spinefarmrec...h-windlake-tale

I like it. Kalmah is one of the few melodeath/extreme power bands I still enjoy listening to.

I like it, but I hope that's not the best song on the album.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


Well, on the brighter side of things, there's new metal from Kalmah.

I don't really think I like the direction they're taking but I still enjoyed this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcxlexAJycY

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


Man, I used to like Children of Bodom. What the gently caress happened to this band?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDNYu2Ro06Y

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


I found out just now that Kalmah has released another song of theirs, Deadfall.

https://soundcloud.com/earsplit/kalmah-deadfall

I really like this one.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


Well, Kalmah's new album is out there -Seventh Swamphony. From the songs they've officially released, it can go either way. Deadfall was great. The other two had their moments but were largely pretty boring and sounded like a lot of the kind of metal I try to avoid.

Maybe this will be good and tasty, last time Kalmah made an album they released their weakest tracks too, and 12 Gauge was really drat good in my eyes.

Edit: Okay, this sounds rad as hell.

Edit 2: Didn't see it had already been discussed, still is awesome.

Riot Bimbo fucked around with this message at 01:43 on Jun 11, 2013

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


I've been listening to the new Kalmah album quite a bit today. I really like it, but what stands out is that it really sounds nothing like Kalmah of the past. They Will Return is my favorite album of theirs, and it's disappointing to see them sort of abandoning the neat melodies and riffs that made those older albums loving cool.

That said, this album wasn't a misfire at all. I'm not sure I'd classify it melodeath, but I do like it.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


I am so indifferent to Amon Amarth it's almost painful. I don't hate them, but nothing they've ever done has grabbed me. Let's forego the No True Scotsman poo poo, people listen to metal for different reasons and have wildly varying tastes. I think people who don't like Kalmah are actually insane, but I don't run around chest beating about it vOv.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


I'm hearing this for the first time, I don't know if it's new but it's not bad. Reminds me of Kill em all vaguely

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7SIYzXM6zA

Riot Bimbo fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Jun 20, 2014

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


Gumbel2Gumbel posted:

Sounds like a pretty good highschool garage band.

I mean, listen to that song for two minutes and then throw on this song chosen at random from the latest Kalmah:


I love Kalmah and I don't hold Metallica in as huge regard as I did as a teenager but if they're going to continue making music, they've displayed that Regression Is A Good Thing.

Also Kalmah one-upped Metallica at metallica with Wolves On The Throne on that same album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lmdAnJzHmw

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


I'm dragging up an old and short discussion in this thread that's old enough I can't find the drat thing, but I want to revisit it. At some point a short time ago a discussion came up over Metallica's Lords Of Summer song, someone started talking about Kalmah, and I asserted that this song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs0QAwa4av4

Was very Metallica-like and arguably Metallica done right. Someone challenged that and I'll confess I couldn't quite put my thoughts behind my reasoning into words, but I was listening to this on the way home tonight and it finally cohered into something I can explain.

First off, Kalmah is melodeath, and the era of Metallica I'm citing is very much 80s thrash, but Wolves On The Throne has a lot of Metallica staples in the music. Aside from the emphasis on harmonies and melodic work, which Metallica seems to eschew, a ton of the riffs scream like they came from the James Hetfield school of guitar playing. The main riff especially. The solo rings vaguely Hammet-ish to me, and the lyrics sound like Justice era James singing about politics.

In my head, Wolves On The Throne is a song that might have been on the follow up to ...Justice had Bob Rock never stepped into the picture. If Metallica veered into harder thrash rather than going towards a more mainstream and hard rock approach, Wolves On The Throne or something like it with cleaner vocals could have been on there.

This is all personal opinion and I can't believe I'm dragging up a discussion involving 3 people, but I was finally able to articulate my argument and I wanted to. A few reviewers for that Kalmah album also expressed some Metallica vibes, though I'm hard pressed to find them right now, so I feel validated in that.

Ignoring this stupid dredging up of a stupid discussion nobody here probably remembers or cares about, this post can also serve as a reminder that Kalmah loving rocks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRJxCrTyHNA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQrr9ANlSnI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiFXF4N7czE

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

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I must be loving crazy, I hear so much Metallica in Wolves On The Throne, but my ears are hosed I guess. But I also agree completely with this:


Spanish Manlove posted:

Kalmah is everything I thought Children of Bodom would become, but didn't.

I can barely listen to other kinds of melodeath because Kalmah pretty much nails that subgenre.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

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Nordick posted:

Am I the only one here who doesn't find Kalmah that special? I mean sure it's good, solid melodeath, but... well, that's about the extent of it really.


I think they're special because of everything I've heard in the melodeath scene, they're the guys who manage to keep their style fresh while keeping to their melodic roots while laying on the brutality and heaviness in a way that the others in the genre are increasingly failing to do.

They're not the be-all-end-all metal band but they're worth keeping on the playlist rotation for sure.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


I've listened twice, and I'd say it sounds like Metallica found a Kill Em All era demo, and re-recorded it.

It's not as good as anything from that era, but it's just structured like it.

The album name is not good, and that album cover is pretty atrocious.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

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MikeCrotch posted:

It doesn't sound like it was written by Dave Mustaine though

It sounds like a dumb thrash song the likes of which they did in kill em all, and haven't done from that moment up until this single release, garage days/inc side 2 excepted

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Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006

Was ist das problem fraulein?


death magnetic was better than it had any right to be, but the only song I still isten to from it is Suicide & Redemption, because it has some cool guitar solos and I like the buildup. It's bewildering though, that Beyond Magnetic was the content they cut, because all four of those songs were better than ones that made the final cut.

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