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Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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Fighting Trousers posted:

Until we get Branwen. I'm dying to see her and Shar-Teel cat fight over our scrawny elf nerd.

Then you'll die. If you meet the conditions for either of their romances, you don't meet the conditions for the other. Branwen and Dynaheir will have a romance conflict, but never Shar-Teel.

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Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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Fighting Trousers posted:

Boo, I say. How anti-climatic.

The romances in the BG1 NPC project in general are much more developed for female PCs than male. Unsurprising, given that I believe most of the writers for the mod were female. Still, at least male PCs don't have to put up with the real Captain Emo of the game adding a romance on top of it all. Kivan may have been emasculated by the mod, but Xan never had any masculinity to remove in the first place.

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Nov 8, 2009

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Walrus Pete posted:

"Incredibly creepy" you say? We have not even begun to scratch the surface of creepy poo poo that BG modders have done. The Shar-teel stuff is kinda dumb, but nowhere near creepy by BG2-romance-mod standards :gonk:

Speaking as a goon familiar with the BG/BG2 mod community... it's really not as bad as some folks make it sound, with certain infamous exceptions that tend to get all the press. Many, if not most romance mods range from okay to maybe even good, depending on your tastes (Gavin, for example, is a romance for female PCs). However, your typical goon is not the target audience for these mods. Now, some certainly have earned their reputations (the Imoen Romance, Saerileth, Tsujatha, and Romantic Encounters are the big offenders here), but most are actually pretty benign. Certainly better than the official "romances" some games have (Neverwinter Nights 2, I'm looking at you).

That said, if this gets to BG2, you should probably show off Chloe just for the train wreck she is. You can get her in Chateau Irenicus, to boot.

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Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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sebzilla posted:

25 DEX is perfectly reasonable, and if there's one thing the BG series needs it's more god-children running about the place :colbert:

Also, her thing with Imoen. >_> I don't mind f/f romances at all, but Chloe is a Mary Sue and carries that over to her NPC/NPC romance. Then again, Kelsey's romance with Imoen is just as bad.

About the only NPC/NPC romance I can tolerate is the Auren/Nalia one. The jury is out on the Darian/Aerie ToB romance, considering the mod's written but coding's apparently not finished.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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Brainamp posted:

I never got around to BG2. Who is Chloe?

A Kensai lesbian demigoddess whose defining personality traits are "cool" and "awesome."

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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Brainamp posted:

Kensai?

Samurai. Can't wear armor but super-duper melee skills.

quote:

I looked a little bit into what NPC mods are involved in this. We are going to have a LOT of fun if this thing makes it to BG2. There are just so many awful looking NPCs to choose from, just waiting for us in Amn.

Here are some mod NPCs I find generally tolerable:

Gavin (Morninglord cleric kit)
Sarah (ranger)
Keto (bard)
Auren Aseph (fighter)
Hubelpot (druid)
Fade (rogue)
Tashia (sorceress)
Darian (ranger, has installation options for a few kits, including Archer and Ranger/Cleric)

Darian's a borderline case - you should probably leave Aerie out of the party if you're bringing him - but at least the modder knows he can be a prick.

Train Wreck candidates:

Chloe
Kelsey
Solaufien (yes, *that* Solaufien)
Valen (yes, *that* Valen)
Nathaniel
Anything from Chosen of Mystra (including Saerileth, Tsujatha, and Yasraena, all by the same authors)

Not NPCs but much potential for "hilarity":

Keldorn Romance
Imoen Romance (formerly Lord Mirrabo's, specifically)
Romantic Encounters

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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Xander77 posted:

To quote ru.net, who are all these people?

Gavin: We've met him in the LP already. He's also in BG2, though not yet ToB. As in BG1, romance option for females.

Sarah: Down-to-earth NG ranger lady. Inoffensive if not terribly interesting. Romance option for females.

Keto: Female bard with some minor amnesia problems. Likeable and inoffensive.

Auren Aseph: Female fighter, somewhat dubious morals. She'll strike up a romance with Nalia, but not the PC.

Hubelpot: Vegetable merchant. I'm serious. I think he's funny.

Fade: Kleptomaniac tiefling thief with a heart of gold. Your mileage may vary, especially with the subject of her past, but I like her. Romance option for males.

Tashia: Elf sorceress, fond of riddles and puzzles. Kind of bland, but likeable. Romance option for males.

Darian: Winged elf, like Aerie, and still has his wings. A racist jerk initially, but calms down and hangs out with the Lawful Good types. Romance option for females.

quote:

Kelsey is an excellent NPC btw.

He's a stupid self-insert whiner.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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Dump Shar-Teel for Ajantis. I think you may have killed the Shar-Teel romance (not sure what her romance variable is, but if you have Shadowkeeper, you can look for something like SharteelRomanceActive under the global variables - if its 1 or 2, you're good, if it's 3 the romance is over), and she's not very interesting (or useful) without it. Ajantis makes a fine meat shield.

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Nov 8, 2009

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Shugojin posted:

- Shar-Teel, + Ajantis. His CON doesn't suck and he doesn't seem to be the victim of some lovely romance mod thing (there are no good romance mods)

He's a romance for females.

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Nov 8, 2009

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Vorgen posted:

Also, there isn't a romance-mod variable that tracks whether or not she was kicked out of the party so I think the romance is still on even if she leaves.

Odd. I was pretty sure removing the NPC from the party did end the romance - ye olde Imprisonment romance bug. Then again, maybe mods fixed that.

As it is, I stand by my call to boot Shar-teel. Branwen and Dynaheir are at least good at their jobs.

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Nov 8, 2009

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jng2058 posted:

She's a short tempered, violent, unpleasant woman who is, by the by, a slaver! If she's not a bitch, who the hell is?

And no, she is not tragically misunderstood. Her alignment is listed as Chaotic Evil for a reason.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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If you want a sympathetic, faux-evil bitch who really can't back her alignment up, Viconia is thataway.

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Nov 8, 2009

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vilkacis posted:

Also, insert standard :rolleyes: modders :argh: at adding that poo poo to a store that already had some of the best gear in the original BG1.

This is the Big World Project, and it sounds like Vorgen has installed every mod he could get his hands on. You're going to get plenty of crap along with the good. Want a vampire in the party? How about a half-dragon? Or a half-kobold? Or a fox? Take your pick of several subspecies of Mary/Gary Sue. Captain Emo, Lord Bishonen, Lolidin, a selection of drow, and a demigoddess await. And I feel really bad for Vorgen if he's gone the Tactics/Improved Anvil/etc route. Oh, and there's a Sarevok Romance.

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vilkacis posted:

Unless we get some gender-bending wild surges, we'll probably be spared the majority of the romances, including Sarevok's. Kind of a pity, really - I'd love to see the thread's reaction to Tsujatha (or whatever the gently caress his name is). :shepicide:

Well, taking a look at the grand catalog of mod NPCs, here's a list of all the various mod romances...

For males:

Amber (BG2, ToB in development)
Branwen (BG1)
Dynaheir (BG1)
Fade (BG2)
Faren (BG2, ToB)
Imoen (BG2, ToB in development)
Kiara (BG2)
Kim (BG2)
Leina (BG2)
Nalia (BG2)
Nathaniel (BG2, ToB)
Ninde (BG2)
Saerileth (BG2, ToB)
Shar-Teel (BG1)
Sheena (BG2)
Sime (BG2, ToB)
Solaufien (BG2, ToB)
Tashia (BG2, ToB)
Tyris (BG2, ToB in development)

For females:

Ajantis (BG1, BG2)
Angelo (BG2, ToB)
Bruce (BG2, ToB)
Chloe (BG2)
Coran (BG1)
Darian (BG2, ToB in development)
Edwin (BG2, ToB)
Faren (BG2, ToB)
Gavin (BG1, BG2)
Imoen (BG2, ToB in development)
Keldorn (BG2, ToB)
Kelsey (BG2, ToB)
Kivan (BG2, ToB)
Sarah (BG2, ToB)
Sarevok (ToB)
Sime (BG2, ToB)
Solaufien (BG2, ToB)
Tsujatha (BG2, ToB)
Valygar (BG2, ToB)
Xan (BG1, BG2, ToB)

As for Romantic Encounters... hoo boy. I'll just link the readme and pretend I didn't just read through all that.

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Vorgen posted:

I think we might have to have a policy vote on this. Should Syvishtar sleep with anything that moves or stay true to one girl at a time?

At least some of the full mod romances include scripts to kill other romances if you pursue one. If you want, I can probably help you figure out how to get around it.

That said, I believe only the Bioware romances, plus Darian (I think - haven't tried it, but the author was talking about it) and Gavin react to the Romantic Encounters.

You might also want to specify whether Syvishtar is heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual. Of the male romances, Faren and Solaufien are bisexual males, while Nathaniel is a homosexual male. At least one of the Romantic Encounters for males is a homosexual fling.

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Vorgen posted:

Seriously? LPing this game could get me banned?

You will want to gloss over some of the Romantic Encounters if you do them. Trust me. I've looked them up with Infinity Explorer. Some of them (not all, but some of them) are pornographic - anything with "adult content" in the readme should probably be glossed over.

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Psalmanazar posted:

You should probably check beforehand. It should be alright though, since Saerelith is in the archived BG2 lp, and that's probably the worst of the lot.

Saerileth doesn't have explicit sex scenes, and thank God for that. There are two other mods by the same author - Tsujatha and Yasraena. IIRC, Tsujatha does have explicit sex scenes, but if Lolidin is the traditional JRPG female lead, Tsujatha is the traditional JRPG male lead.

Some mods go heavy on flirting and sex, some don't. It's mandatory for some mods, optional for others. And in all fairness, Romantic Encounters tells you exactly what it is and what it is about, so if you download it you have only yourself to blame. Doesn't help that most of the ones for males are just sex rather than extended "romantic" conversations like females tend to get.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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Further mod analysis because I'm bored - here are, taken together, the various races and classes available as party members, including Bioware ones (multiple mods of the same character are counted as separate entries):

BG1

23 Humans
7 Elves (3 Drow)
7 Half-Elves
4 Halflings
4 Dwarves
4 Gnomes
1 Half-Orc

9 Fighters
7 Thieves
6 Bards
5 Clerics
5 Rangers
4 Wizards
2 Paladins
2 Barbarians
2 Fighter/Thieves
1 Druid
1 Fighter/Mage
1 Fighter/Druid
1 Fighter/Cleric
1 Cleric/Mage
1 Cleric/Thief
1 Thief/Mage
1 Custom Crap

BG2

71 Humans
29 Elves (6 Drow, 2 Avariel)
11 Half-Elves
6 Dwarves
6 Halflings
4 Half-Orcs
4 Gnomes
3 Tieflings
3 Vampires
1 Tanar'ri
1 Eyeball
1 Skeleton
1 Kobold
1 Roc (??? - Rocs in the Realms are colossal birds that eat whales...)
1 Ghoul
1 Fox
1 Wraith
1 Half-Dragon
1 Mind Flayer

27 Fighters
21 Thieves
13 Rangers
12 Wizards
10 Bards
8 Fighter/Mages
8 Monks
7 Paladins
7 Clerics
6 Fighter/Thieves
6 Druids
5 Thief/Mages
4 Barbarians
3 Fighter/Clerics
3 Custom Crap
2 Sorcerers
2 Cleric/Mages
1 Cleric/Ranger
1 Cleric/Thief
1 Fighter/Druid
1 Fighter/Mage/Thief

ToB

34 Humans
15 Elves (4 Drow)
4 Half-Elves
3 Half-Orcs
3 Gnomes
2 Halflings
2 Dwarves
2 Vampires
1 Tanar'ri
1 Tiefling
1 Roc
1 Wraith
1 Mind Flayer

11 Fighters
7 Wizards
6 Bards
5 Rangers
5 Thieves
5 Fighter/Mages
4 Monks
4 Paladins
3 Druids
3 Clerics
3 Barbarians
3 Thief/Mages
2 Sorcerers
2 Cleric/Mages
2 Fighter/Thieves
1 Fighter/Cleric
1 Fighter/Druid
1 Cleric/Ranger
1 Cleric/Thief
1 Custom Crap

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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The Honored Dead

Ajantis
Deaths: 2
Slain by Ankheg in Ankheg Lair
Slain by Ankheg in Ankheg Lair (second visit)

Eldoth
Deaths: 1
Slain by Bandit in Coast Way

Finch
Deaths: 3
Slain by Ankheg in Ankheg Lair
Slain by Ankheg in Ankheg Lair (second visit)
Slain by Ankheg in Wyrm's Crossing

Gorion
Deaths: 1
Slain by Plot Device in Lion's Way

Haiass
Deaths: 2
Slain by Ankheg in Ankheg Lair
Slain by Ankheg in Lower Chionthar

Imoen
Deaths: 1
Slain by Bandit in Coast Way

Jaheira
Deaths: 1
Slain by Ogre in Beregost

Khalid
Deaths: 1
Slain by Bandit in Coast Way

Montaron
Deaths: 1
Slain by Hobgoblin Archer in Lion's Way

Shar-Teel
Deaths: 3
Slain by Dire Wolf in Red Canyons
Slain by Zargal (named hobgoblin) in Red Canyons
Slain by Bassilus in Red Canyons

Will Scarlet
Deaths: 1
Slain by Ogre in Beregost


Reloads:
Rhialto the Marvelous (many)

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So you really are going whole hog on Ascension and Tactics? Welp... at this point, I don't think anyone will blame you if you console in gold to handle resurrection fees - and only for resurrection fees.

And be prepared to reload. A lot.

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Nov 8, 2009

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Fighting Trousers posted:

Three, count 'em, three clerics! Oh, the discussions of comparative theology they must have over beers. It'll be interesting to see how Viconia and Gavin get on, considering he's a priest of the sun god.

I don't know. Many if not most clerics in DnD never actually act like priests. You wouldn't know Viconia was a cleric if it didn't say so on her character screen, and I think the same goes for Finch and Quayle. Don't remember Gavin, Branwen, or Yeslick well enough to say. Looking ahead to BG2, Anomen does a reasonable job of it at least.

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Nov 8, 2009

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BiggestOrangeTree posted:

Are there even any other paladins in BG1 territory?

Via a mod. There's one "Conchobhair Strongblade" from Dark Side of the Sword Coast.

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Nov 8, 2009

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Orange Devil posted:

Can we mod Ajantis back? That was kind of lame, and it makes no sense he'd have stayed with us in the first place if our reputation was too low. Didn't you say party members leaving due to reputation was disabled? I think it should cover this, too. Maybe just have him have a temper tantrum and stay unavailable to us until our reputation climbs to 10+ or something.

I believe the "party members don't leave due to reputation" only affects Bioware NPCs, and I'm pretty sure that a lot of BG1 NPCs don't obey that due to the subsequent BG1 mods expanding on the characters - I think what happened wasn't the preprogrammed good NPC leaves due to the party's reputation, but a specific event and dialogue where Ajantis leaves at a specific reputation point.

To be fair, the guy is a paladin, and if you didn't see the writing on the wall from his previous complaining that he was unhappy with the party's reputation, I think you kinda deserve him leaving.

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Nov 8, 2009

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sebzilla posted:

But we don't get any evil drow nookie until BG2, which could be a while since we've not even got to the Nashkel Mines yet. Get the crazy rear end bitch nookie while we still can.

We already got some, or weren't you paying attention?

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Nov 8, 2009

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sebzilla posted:

We don't get any more.


Or weren't you paying attention?

You didn't say we wouldn't get more, as your own quote demonstrates. There is a difference between not getting any and not getting any more.

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Nov 8, 2009

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markus_cz posted:

Strange... I find her one of the most well defined characters so far, definitely better than, say, Finch ("librarian") or Gavin ("a guy who asks questions") or Kivan ("emo!"). She's a heartless, aggressive woman-bear who has issues with men, and she has some great lines. She's one dimensional, yes, but on par with Tiax or Xzar. I can't understand why shy has fewer votes than, for example, Bub Snikt who's just an empty box with high stats.

There's more to Gavin than meets the eye. I don't know how much of it comes out if you're not romancing him, though. Romances tend to reveal the most about NPCs with them, especially the characters who are otherwise introverted or have things they don't like to talk about in public.

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Nov 8, 2009

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Captain Bravo posted:

Yeah, no, great plan. Put off Shar-Teel until everyone's leveled up high enough that we're dropping thousands on her instead of hundreds. Besides, the multi-death rule is still in effect, and we really don't have that much more to go before her stuff is finished, right?

Shar-Teel's romance spans 25 lovetalks and has content from the moment you recruit Shar-Teel to the final area of the game before entering the Temple of Bhaal. This might be handy.

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Captain Bravo posted:

Oh my god, nevermind, gently caress this forever.

You were expecting something else? Most mod romances, regardless of whether they're for BG1, BG2, or ToB, try to have enough content to last the entire game.

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Vorgen posted:

Really gets ya. I'm anticipating that Gavin's story arc might also take a harsh, real-world turn like that, although I have no idea if that's really the case.

I'm pretty sure it gets worse in BG2 - Gavin's modder retconned a couple of NPCs from BG2 into being Gavin's wife and kid. They're in the Temple District, so if you've played BG2, they're exactly the two NPCs you're probably thinking of.

The fairly depressing, real-world background and events seem to be a signature of the modder in question. She's the one who wrote the Keldorn Romance as well.

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Vorgen posted:

But... but... Keldorn is already married, and an old paladin to boot?!

And will be separated from his wife in BG2. If I remember the readme right... it's a long series of lovetalks in BG2 that only turn genuinely romantic in ToB. Look here if you want more information.

Yes, modders are weird. I think the only BG2 characters for whom there aren't mod romances are... Jan, Korgan, and Mazzy.

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Slaan posted:

Two of these three have personality, and modders don't want to romance them. Ugh.

To be fair, I think there's been at least two attempts at a Mazzy Romance. However, quite a few mods are never finished - see also the numerous attempts at writing a Valygar or Haer'Dalis romance.

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Shugojin posted:

Even the developers couldn't bring themselves to finish those :v:

I've noticed that mod romances for females tend to fall into one of three broad categories: the angsty, brooding types who need a therapist, the strong, heroic types who can generally described with some variation of "knight in shining armor," and the swashbuckling, adventerous/charming/tricky types. There are some exceptions (Sarah, for example, is a profoundly normal person), but that seems to be the general rule. Adding Haer'Dalis and Valygar to the original BG2 game would have rounded out the female romance archetypes nicely.

quote:

Haer'Dalis has a romance - he steals Aerie from you if you're romancing her.

Correction: He tries. And he and Aerie break up anyway when Aerie realizes that she's no exception to Haer'Dalis' obsession with entropy and destruction.

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markus_cz posted:

So far I remain unconvinced of the qualities of any fan-made NPC we've seen so far. They all seem... bland. Finch is possibly the closest to having a personality, though I can't help but feel she's just a Mary Sue (it's the portrait, I guess? With a different portrait she might feel OK). But for some reason, the idea of a shy bookworm doesn't really work when I see her wearing plate armour and swinging a two-handed sword. I don't believe her. Disparate readings, anyone?

Anyway, Finch is fine, I guess.

But the others? Rose is just an empty shell with no personality whatsoever (IIRC, somebody said the NPC is unfinished, which makes sense). Gavin is the same – he's just a machine for asking personal questions and occasionally having a "heart-breaking" confession. I bet he was written by an emo girl who imagined she would create a "sensitive man" or whatever. But people don't work like that! He doesn't feel like a real person. He has an interesting backstory, but the execution is lacking. (Still, whenever I think of Kivan, I start to love Gavin!)

We haven't seen much of the others, so here's hoping for some party shuffling!

This isn't meant as a criticism of the LP, because seeing horrible fan creations and laughing at them is what this LP is about! I greatly enjoy reading this, Vorgen!

Rose, Gavin, and Finch are about the only BG1 mod NPCs, to my knowledge, though the BG1 NPC Project expands on everyone. It isn't the best-written mod, though I can see where they were going with some characters. Branwen, for example, becomes the token "Loves the simple pleasures of drinking, fighting, and loving" character, though it's weird to see that in a female character.

I know there are a couple more BG1 mod characters in development, including a sorcerer, but neither are anywhere close to release.

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Jazerus posted:

I have to wonder what hangup the person who designed Gavin had with broken families. I don't understand why Gavin and Jaheira treat the revelation that he has a daughter as something that is shameful and a potential dealbreaker for taking him along; I suppose it might just be the modder trying to represent some kind of pseudo-medieval morality, but I would be surprised if there was a point in history where a father trying to provide for his daughter, at considerable risk to himself, was seen as anything other than noble. Consider me confused.

From what I've seen, Gavin's author is kind of obsessed with broken families and things generally being crappy and unhappy. She also wrote the Keldorn Romance mod, which features exactly what you'd expect, and her probably thankfully aborted Sand romance mod for NWN2 also apparently added a fiance or wife to Sand's backstory who had a lovely relationship with Sand and is generally fuel for angst and unhappiness.

As it is, we'll see Gavin again in BG2. His wife and kind-of-daughter hang out in the Temple District - they're two NPCs who are there in unmodded BG2, now retconned into being his family. Yes, it's precisely the woman and daughter you think, if you've played BG2 and been to the temple district.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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Let me put it this way: the author of Gavin has openly said that Gavin's family is intended to be a deal-breaker and a very good reason why some people would refuse to take him along and some NPCs will react very badly to him.

He's not bad in BG1, I guess, being a decent good-aligned cleric, but we'll have so many more options in BG2...

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Fighting Trousers posted:

Heeeeeelllo, Branwen. (I hope the modders haven't weirded her up)

She's a Viking woman in this mod, for good and ill. She likes fighting, drinking, and flirting. Romance option, though Vorgen will need to raise his rep high enough that Shar-Teel's romance will no longer fire in order to meet Branwen's requirements.

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Lord_Ventnor posted:

Do it. I cannot abide the current situation.

The third and final romance option for guys in BG1 is also coming up. Dynaheir.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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Nevermind. Dynaheir is not a romance option. You need a Wisdom of at least 10 to qualify for the romance, and our hero has a wisdom of 3. Our hero's Chaotic Neutral alignment also fails to meet criteria.

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For kicks, here are the overviews from the BG1 NPC Project (which is what added all the banters and whatnot, including romances and flirts, to BG1) of the romances:

Ajantis

Ajantis did not start his travels along the Sword Coast expecting to find the woman after his heart. For the right Player1 the romance will just happen, and Ajantis himself will be overwhelmed by the feelings he experiences. But as much as Ajantis is fascinated by Player1 that either shares his views or politely rejects them, he will stop romancing or even attack if evil actions are taken or Player1 insults his believes or his family. There are many different options in Ajantis’ talks, and Player1 does not always have to agree with Ajantis to continue to be his romantic interest. However, insulting his beliefs or family will end the romance. It is very important for Ajantis to see Player1 on the path of good and righteousness, so high reputation is a must for romancing this paladin; also if Player1 pursues the evil course of actions too often (even if the evil deed did not result in reputation loss) it will break the romance. Ajantis will have an inner conflict when the truth about the Player1’s Bhaal-heritage comes out. Only if this revelation comes after he already confessed his love, the bond between Player1 and him is strong enough for the romance to continue. This romance includes core love-talks, both sequential and reactive to events in the game, PC-initiated flirt-packs, and some NPC-initiated flirts. Ajantis’ Romance uses the Howard Shore’s “Minas Tirith” theme as the romance musical theme.


Branwen

Branwen’s Romance is, perhaps, what you would have expected it to be. A warrior priestess, strong and outspoken, craving physical love rather than romantic one, valuing strength, courage and honor in battle above all else. Do not doubt that Branwen is capable to battle and conquer her worries, and indeed pretty much anything, on her own. Yet, in her direct way, she'd share her thoughts with a comrade who'd earned her trust, awarding him the glimpses into her inner world, as well as her passion. Your character may be a light-hearted tease, a weatherworn warrior of a few words, or a wide-eyed boy – it is possible to complete the romance in all cases. But Tempus demands a lot from his followers, and Branwen is no exception... This romance includes core love-talks, both sequential and reactive to events in the game and flirt-packs, both PC and NPC-initiated. Branwen’s Romance uses the Hilary Rushmer’s recording of the ‘New Day A-Dawning’ as the romance musical theme.


Coran

Coran, oh, Seldarine, Coran. His romance is as complicated as they come, and probably qualifies as a gamer’s worst nightmare. If you simplify it, it boils down to three big decisions your Charname needs to make: firstly, to sleep or not to sleep with Coran and when; secondly, what to do about Brielbara and Namara; thirdly to have or not to have Safana in the party. On top of it, no matter what you do, there is randomness added to the romance. If he promised you to return riding an eagle’s back, he won’t. But he just might be waiting for you there when he goes back to seek Brielbara out. Or not. If you still take the mad woman who wrote this romance seriously, my advice is: coast him till he promises Charname the moon from the sky and convince him to abandon Namara. While not quite so sweet, the path without the child and eventual enlightenment of our womanizer, it has a more realistic feel to it. And, it can randomly have a happy ending. Or not. This romance includes core love-talks, both sequential and reactive to events in the game and flirt-packs, both PC and NPC-initiated. Coran’s Romance uses (Good path): Recercada Tercera by Diego Ortiz , (Baby Path): Dulce Memoria by Hernando de Cabezon , (Neutral/Bored Path): Danse Macabre by Camille Saint-Saens and Les beautéés du Diable by François Dompierre as the romance musical themes.


Dynaheir

Dynaheir’s Romance was written for a good (and preferably a lawful good) male PC. Three different ‘typecasts’ of PC are more or less maintained through the mod: a courteous paladin, a man who tries to do the right thing, and a guy who tries to be funny and distract Dynaheir from her too serious ways. There are also a number of class specific options for a bard, including bad verses he can compose for Dynaheir in a number of talks. Racial-specific options are present, if rarely for a Half-Orc and an Elf. One of the most important themes of this romance is Bhaal’s Heritage. Once PC has learned about it from Gorion’s letter, the romance enters a difficult sequence of dealing with love and betrayal. A word of advice: here it is most important to be smart and noble. A small surprise awaits a patient player who’d keep the relationship running till the very, very-very end of the game. This romance includes core love-talks, both sequential and reactive to events in the game and flirt-packs, both PC and NPC-initiated. Dynaheir’s Romance uses the Saint-Sense’s ‘Swan’ as the romance musical theme.


Shar-Teel

Shar-Teel’s Romance was written with a relatively evil male PC in mind. Three different ‘typecasts’ of PC are more or less maintained through the mod: a sarcastic edwinesque type, a harsh man, and a guy who tries to be reasonably kind. There are also a number of class-specific options for a bard. It is quite tongue-in-cheek, and PC will take a beating from his passionate lover, if he is not up to snuff. Shar-Teel prefers strong, charismatic males, so the stats that affect the romance the most are Constitution, Strength and Charisma. Shar-Teel is not a wimp, so offending her will make her lose interest or worse. But be careful of exhibiting too much sweetness (save it for Aerie)! She will not take mush lightly. Lots of her talks happen at rest, so sleep often if you are in a mood for more evil loving! This romance includes core love-talks, both sequential and reactive to events in the game and flirt-packs, both PC and NPC-initiated. Shar-Teel’s Romance uses the Icewind Dale 1 ‘Starting Song’ as the romance musical theme.


Xan

Well, it is Xan. Whining, moaning and complaints are abound in this romance. Still interested? Why? The world is doomed, there is no point in romance, you know. Especially in the one with Xan. Yes, it is unusual, sad and tender, but there are also nasty surprises, hysteria and a possible breakdown along the way. You won’t like it. Still interested? Very well then: play it, but remember, you have been warned! The romance was designed for an average player. You are able to be teasing or compassionate, interested or bored. Rude and straightforward, too, but then the romance will be finished in a blink: Xan is as scared of his feelings towards you as he is. The core of the romance consists of a goodly number of sequential love-talks. Some of them, especially in the mid-to-late stages of romance, happen at rest. Not only because of what you have just thought, either. Nasty surprises, remember? It is advised to complete the romance before Chapter 6 (and yes, it reminds me of Shadows of Amn, as well), or, at least, wait until your relationship progresses into the more serious stage. Tip: look at the contents at the flirtpack. Once it changes - voila! - you have done it. Or not. Nasty surpri… ah, it was mentioned already. There is Chapters 6 and 7-specific content, so your PC will not feel abandoned. This romance includes core love-talks, both sequential and reactive to events in the game and flirt-packs, both PC and NPC-initiated. Xan’s Romance uses the "Walk home" by Thomas Newman as the romance musical theme.

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Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Karatehamster posted:

That "romance" is the most boring thing I've read this month. I thought, you know, that there might be some actual content hidden away somewhere, but all we get is basically a gazillion descriptive action texts that don't even describe any sort of action (and I don't mean action in the sense of getting down and dirty, which I could certainly do without, anyway). Every goddamn time, Shar-Teel turns to you and nothing loving happens. Ever.

Clarification: there is a difference between flirts (the "your fierce mate" interludes) and the actual romance talks. The timer on the former is shorter than the latter. I'm pretty sure you can turn off the flirts via player-initiated dialogue. Flirts are found in many, if not most, romances, and there is a flirt pack for the canon Bioware romances. Romance Branwen, and she'll have her own range of flirts unless you turn them off.

In case you were wondering what the original idea behind the flirts was, it was to add more "intimacy" and a physical aspect to the relationship rather than the straightforward talks only. Most mods include more explicit and sexual flirts when you reach the committed stage of the romance, both NPC and player initiated.

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