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Jhet
Jun 3, 2013


thotsky posted:

The name might not be great, but neither is the name IPA and that caught on. Yeah, it's probably more accurate to say it defines a method of lager conditioning (and arguably serving) but what I'm talking about specifically is a beer in the style of the amber lagers you might find brewed in the many small breweries of Franconia, and increasingly by American brewers inspired by those very same beers. That probably is a pretty wide net, you're right, but from my reading it seems to trend towards a smaller, lighter, slightly cloudy and more hoppy Märzen, unfortunately small brewpubs in Germany don't really share many details about their beers so I might be wrong.

An all Vienna beer does sound very interesting, do you happen to remember what your gravity was like on that beer you made?

May actually just be what you've described it as and it's a Märzen with some extra hops and smaller grain bill? I've not seen anything labeled as Kellerbier in the wild, but I'll look next time I'm at a bottle shop.

Vienna Lager 1.051 sg, finished at 1.013
Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) 98%
Black Patent Malt 2%
1 oz Mt Hood for 22 IBU at 60 minutes
Wyeast #2278 Czech Pilsner Lager yeast

I'd absolutely brew this one again and gave it a nice long boil, it was nice and crisp and had a great silky mouthfeel, but I'd leave out the black patent. It came out a little darker than necessary. I was hoping I had a picture, but I do not.

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thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot


Jhet posted:

I've not seen anything labeled as Kellerbier in the wild, but I'll look next time I'm at a bottle shop.

Something like this, I was thinking:

https://untappd.com/b/brauerei-zehendner-monchsambacher-lagerbier/30638/photos
https://untappd.com/b/steinbach-brau-storchenbier/71007/photos

At least some of the color pickup is from haze, and the American examples below seem to be brewed a bit darker, maybe to imitate that.

https://untappd.com/b/fox-farm-brewery-fohn/3275612/photos
https://untappd.com/b/suarez-family-brewery-ms-frank/1646419/photos

Thanks for the recipe.

Jhet
Jun 3, 2013


thotsky posted:

Something like this, I was thinking:

https://untappd.com/b/brauerei-zehendner-monchsambacher-lagerbier/30638/photos
https://untappd.com/b/steinbach-brau-storchenbier/71007/photos

At least some of the color pickup is from haze, and the American examples below seem to be brewed a bit darker, maybe to imitate that.

https://untappd.com/b/fox-farm-brewery-fohn/3275612/photos
https://untappd.com/b/suarez-family-brewery-ms-frank/1646419/photos

Thanks for the recipe.

That does compound the issue. Franconian lagers are terribly difficult to even nail down as their own styles. They seem to borrow a lot from all the styles, so if I were aiming for it, I might just take a favorite lager recipe and turn it up with hops and down in gravity and aim for something really crisp. And also then lager for a little less time so it doesn't clear as well. It almost defies logic that you'd leave it for less time to lager and get a cellar beer, but every time I drink a non-flocculated lager sample I'm still regularly pleased.

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