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Foxfire_ posted:My small (~15) person office is moving and the new place has less nearby coffee.  Mu Zeta posted:Nespresso maybe. Though I hate pods and it's firmly in the mediocre category.
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RE: Nespresso, it is good that they have that recycling program, but it is important to remember that the manufacture of the pods is still pretty energy intensive as far as carbon footprint goes. I'm also not a fan of how they handle things on the business side; we used to sell/repair them but it became nearly impossible since they were squeezing "independent" stores in favour of their branded/Bay stores. Lastly they were stingy with parts, often telling us "just make them replace the machine" instead of shipping requested parts, and it felt like they didn't really have a long term mindset when it came to the quality of their machines, simple as they are. I'm much more a fan of the ESE pods now. The 15-20 size has quite a lot of choice when it comes to a fully automatic since that's within the service parameters of most of the "bigs": - Aforementioned Delonghi. Been a big rush on the discontinued models lately (3300 and 5500), both new and refurb. The ECAM 25.462 is proving popular as well for people who want to upgrade over that, but as Bizwank has said the upgrade path on Delonghi is a bit muddled since the internals don't really change. The ECAM 23.210 is a nice in between on those models, they've just been walking out the door lately. - Gaggia Brera is an okay from Italy entry super auto with an entry level price, but might be a bit underpowered, and lacks real cappuccino. Gaggia Accademia is super expensive relative to that, but it does layered/milk really nice among the supers we have the showroom. Very hot serves too. - Jura, in my opinion, doesn't work well in this setting. I've seen the most success stories with them on the low end (e.g. ENA Micro 1) where you're not expecting much, or the very high end (GIGA line) where maybe you're blinded by how much you've paid. Best bang for buck is probably a mid-line Delonghi, or possibly one of the many, many, many Saecos floating around out there. I'm kind of blah on Saeco since the merger, but they represent probably 80% of the repairs we do, so they are popular as all get out. Or they break down a lot.
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Sep 27, 2016 19:09
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Yeah good points on the Nespresso; parts are all locked down in the US as well, as is with Jura. If you buy either one you're shipping it to the manufacturer for repair. Nothing's changed in the Saecos that I've seen since Phillips bought them; I do see a lot of them in the shop but not the same ones coming back time and time again. They're a close second to Delonghi in terms of reliability imho. And yeah, I forgot about ESE pods. They're a good compromise between a pod machine or better semi-auto without having to deal with grinding/tamping. Plus you can transition to a traditional basket later without having to buy a new machine. Hell you can get a pod adapter for a Silvia 
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Sep 27, 2016 19:54
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Dude don't buy those super auto expensive machines. Nobody at your office is ever going to clean it. it's going to be gross within a month.
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Sep 27, 2016 21:36
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Slobs are gonna slob no matter what kind of machine he gets.
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Sep 27, 2016 23:43
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Having a semi automatic might have a self limiting effect... Until it needs descaling of course
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Sep 28, 2016 00:59
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Not even any posts on National Coffee Day, a shameful thread Here's a picture I took  National Coffee Day by Norman Lee, on Flickr
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Sep 30, 2016 02:27
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Sep 30, 2016 02:51
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I sold a couple machines today by throwing in some free bags of coffee because it's "coffee day". No one knew wtf I was talking about
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Sep 30, 2016 03:43
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Not sure about you guys, but I drank some coffee today. edit: I expect I'll drink some tomorrow too.
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Sep 30, 2016 05:02
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withak posted:Not sure about you guys, but I drank some coffee today. right there with you bud
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404notfound posted:Not even any posts on National Coffee Day, a shameful thread Every day is Coffee Day.
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Sep 30, 2016 08:44
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Man you guys have no respect for National Coffee Day. This is not what Juan Valdez fought and died for.
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Sep 30, 2016 14:12
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Noooo. Blue Bottle is starting to sell pre-ground coffee. My love affair is over. Their coffee is what made me get into coffee in the first place 
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Oct 1, 2016 03:13
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Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:Man you guys have no respect for National Coffee Day. This is not what Juan Valdez fought and died for. Our Father, who art in Columbia... 
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Oct 1, 2016 15:06
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Just bought an Encore. The instructions say to run a cup of beans through before using it. Do I actually have to waste that much coffee?
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Oct 1, 2016 19:40
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Do you really want to drink whatever residue is on the burrs from the factory where they were produced? You're going to waste coffee dialing it in anyway, buy some cheap beans of the same roast and use those to get started.
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Oct 1, 2016 19:53
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I don't mind wasting some, it just seems excessive
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Oct 1, 2016 20:04
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Who gives a gently caress just drink it. It probably won't kill you.
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Oct 2, 2016 05:39
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When I got my burr grinder, I did not RTFM, put coffee in there and got brewing right away. I am still alive to tell the tale.
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Oct 2, 2016 05:41
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So, if there is a chance of manufacturing oil residue why not run a cup of rice through it like you'd do for normal cleaning of a coffee grinder?
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Here's a coffee horror story for October. A few weeks ago my wife's cousin asked me for some recommendations on a pro-sumerish espresso setup. I know him to be cheap and was a little suspicious that he was looking for the best Black & Decker money could by. I told him that I liked my Sylvia/Rocky setup, but had heard good things about the CC1. IN a stunning move, he did some research and ended up buying a Breville BES920XL (double boiler - looks sweet to me) and a Macap grinder. Never in my life did I expect him to shell out this kind of money for coffee. Everything arrived last week, and I'm supposed to go over to his house to help him learn how to home barista. AND, his wife has decided to send the Macap back because the grinder (whirly blade) that they have is good enough. (this is the horror part). They haven't even unboxed the Macap. I'm going to lug my Rocky over there this Friday, so that there can be a comparison. I'm trying to tell them as gently as possible that they could have bought a Krups if their not going to have a decent grinder. I'm trying not to be a snobbish dick, but...
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porktree posted:AND, his wife has decided to send the Macap back because the grinder (whirly blade) that they have is good enough. (this is the horror part). They haven't even unboxed the Macap.  This is grounds to  .
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Oct 4, 2016 20:10
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Jan posted:
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Oct 4, 2016 21:03
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Oct 4, 2016 21:11
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Hey guys I'm a poor student and I drink coffee a lot, usually preground with an aeropress but I'd like to try grinding my own beans. What's a good cheap grinder if there is such a thing? Something like this perhaps?
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Frankston posted:Hey guys I'm a poor student and I drink coffee a lot, usually preground with an aeropress but I'd like to try grinding my own beans. What's a good cheap grinder if there is such a thing? Something like this perhaps? Capresso Infinity is the entry level grinder these guys recommend. I have one and love it. https://www.amazon.com/Capresso-560-01-Infinity-Grinder-Black/dp/B0000AR7SY
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Oct 4, 2016 22:41
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Reinanigans posted:Capresso Infinity is the entry level grinder these guys recommend. I have one and love it. Beyond my budget I'm afraid, and they seem to be unavailable in the UK.
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I believe Capresso is just a north American marketing entity Jura took over so they could have a US office. Wouldn't surprise me if they don't exist in 220v land.
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Frankston posted:Hey guys I'm a poor student and I drink coffee a lot, usually preground with an aeropress but I'd like to try grinding my own beans. What's a good cheap grinder if there is such a thing? Something like this perhaps? I've got a Hario hand mill; works fine for one person twice a day. Probably adds about 60 seconds to making a cup. The reason I will eventually replace it with a powered unit is that it gets really tedious to grind coffee for more than one person. I pick up a bag of pre-ground from a local roastery now if I know I'm getting guests.
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Frankston posted:Beyond my budget I'm afraid, and they seem to be unavailable in the UK. What is your budget, what brewing methods do you use other than Aeropress (if any), and manual or electric? You can get a Baratza Encore as a refurb for £108 or new for £149, which'll cover all ranges of brewing. Alternatively a Rhinowares hand grinder is only £40 but it won't be that great for coarse grinding.
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Hexigrammus posted:I've got a Hario hand mill; works fine for one person twice a day. Probably adds about 60 seconds to making a cup. My boss still grinds coffee twice a day every day with his Hario, almost always while standing 3 feet away from my Encore that I keep telling him to use. I can't explain this but obviously it works fine.
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dik-dik posted:Who gives a gently caress just drink it. It probably won't kill you. Yeah I ended up just putting half as much through. Still alive! Does anyone else have both an Encore and a Clever? What grind setting do you use? I've been using 20
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HappyHippo posted:Yeah I ended up just putting half as much through. Still alive! I use that set up a bunch. I use 20 for almost everything, and I don't bloom because I stir the hell out of it. That little bit of coarseness on the grind plus the turbulence seems to work out well.
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Using the hario mills are a huge pain. God I hate them.
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I didn't mind using my Hario Slim. What I did mine is when the shaft sheared off where it mates with the crank, rendering the grinder nearly useless. I don't know if the skerton suffers from the same flaw.Big Bidness posted:I use that set up a bunch. I use 20 for almost everything, and I don't bloom because I stir the hell out of it. That little bit of coarseness on the grind plus the turbulence seems to work out well. Cool, yeah I do the same thing with the stirring. What time / ratio do you use? I've been doing 4 min and 16:1, although the coffee tastes a little "thin" so I might play around with that.
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Out of curiosity, what separates this: https://www.amazon.co.uk/VonShef-Premium-Adjustable-Settings-Warranty/dp/B01LAZ66VA From the entry level Baratza/capresso at three times the cost?
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Slimchandi posted:Out of curiosity, what separates this: Baratza is the polar opposite; all they do is grinders specifically designed to be the best at coffee/espresso, support and parts are readily available and any of their models should last you 10-15+ years with no problems. Capresso is somewhere in between; quality product, parts/support are lacking (this varies by country). As with all this gear, you get what you pay for, and if you're buying a nice machine the grinder is not where you want to skimp.
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Yeah pay the money for a grinder. You can literally pour hot water through a sock to make your coffee if you have a good grinder.
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Mu Zeta posted:Yeah pay the money for a grinder. You can literally pour hot water through a sock to make your coffee if you have a good grinder. If you do this, take pictures. My wife had to be talked into a decent grinder too. I'm going with a Rocky to sit next to the Rancilo Silvia. I was going to order it from Seattle Coffee Gear, and they have the PID installed version back in stock. Is that a worthwhile upgrade to learn how to use?
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