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gwrtheyrn posted:Part of the motivation for Starbucks, or any other chain of their size, is providing a consistent experience across all of their locations. In this case, the easiest way to make the coffee always taste the same is to burn the hell out of it so there is no real roast variation. I ordered a double shot espresso from them last week because it was the only place open that was selling drinks...huge mistake Also when they char the poo poo out it then they don't have to be too picky about the beans.
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withak posted:Also when they char the poo poo out it then they don't have to be too picky about the beans. The funny thing is I remember reading that they actually do start with decent quality beans. Base Emitter posted:Of course I should have mentioned I live in Seattle, a few miles from the Coffee Kremlin apparently. It isn't all Starbucks, but I've lost track of who owns who.
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May 9, 2012 05:13
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Base Emitter posted:Of course I should have mentioned I live in Seattle, a few miles from the Coffee Kremlin apparently. It isn't all Starbucks, but I've lost track of who owns who.
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May 9, 2012 05:22
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gwrtheyrn posted:The funny thing is I remember reading that they actually do start with decent quality beans. They do (they buy better beans than most chains), but you have to remember that beans come from seasonal farms all over the world. They can't just buy one type from one farm. They have to buy from many farms -- all the beans will taste different. Even the better espresso blends from famous roasters will taste different over time. Of you over roast, that isn't a problem.
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May 9, 2012 05:34
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that Vai sound posted:Get yourself over to Milstead & Co. in Fremont to calibrate your taste buds. If you're looking to buy locally roasted beans, Zoka has been good for me. The Rwanda by them has amazing acidity. I knew there'd be something in Fremont. Zoka is not too far away from me either. Thanks all.
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May 9, 2012 05:38
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Made a press pot of Heart Roasters Guatemala El Limonar this morning. It was really really awesome! Bright and clean. Another notch in the "South America is great" column.
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May 9, 2012 17:03
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I am going to get blasted for asking this, but what is the most economical grinder I can get for making espresso? I have a Hario hand grinder and I am just not capable of getting a good grind from it. It is always too fine or too coarse! Is the Baratza Preciso for $300 where things start to get good for espresso grinds? The Maestro and Virtuoso are not recommended for espresso, correct? Is a Rancilio Rocky worth spending just a few bucks more than a Preciso?
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May 10, 2012 19:08
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Has anyone invented a mesh filter for grinds that blocks coarse grinds and lets fine grinds pass all the way through it, leaving appropriate grinds in the middle? It seems like this is a really obvious invention that would not even be difficult to create, so why the heck don't they sell them at walmart?
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May 10, 2012 19:12
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Kaluza-Klein posted:I am going to get blasted for asking this, but what is the most economical grinder I can get for making espresso? I have a Hario hand grinder and I am just not capable of getting a good grind from it. It is always too fine or too coarse! The baratza encore ($129) can supposedly grind for espresso, or at least there are videos of people doing it. I have the grinder but no espresso machine so 
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May 10, 2012 19:17
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gwrtheyrn posted:The baratza encore ($129) can supposedly grind for espresso, or at least there are videos of people doing it. I have the grinder but no espresso machine so Yeah, I was just looking at http://www.baratza.com/wp-content/uploads/Grinder-Comparison-Chart.pdf and it only lists the models lower than a Preciso at "Good" and not "Very Good" at espresso. I imagine that is where the fine control the Preciso gives you really becomes handy. If my hand grinder had 440 levels of adjustment I bet it would work great for espresso, too 
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May 10, 2012 19:35
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Corla Plankun posted:Has anyone invented a mesh filter for grinds that blocks coarse grinds and lets fine grinds pass all the way through it, leaving appropriate grinds in the middle? It seems like this is a really obvious invention that would not even be difficult to create, so why the heck don't they sell them at walmart? Static cling makes things like that not work so well. If you could deal with the static cling problem in some way so that the really fine grounds would separate from the ideal sized grounds reliably, then I'd love to buy your invention.  Also, you would have to have different products for different coffee methods, or have some way of adjusting the filters, since the ideal grounds size differs depending on what kind of coffee you want to make.
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May 10, 2012 20:17
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Kaluza-Klein posted:I am going to get blasted for asking this, but what is the most economical grinder I can get for making espresso? I have a Hario hand grinder and I am just not capable of getting a good grind from it. It is always too fine or too coarse! I would also definitely take a look on craigslist. I just got a used Rancilio MD50 for $375. Feels like there's a coffee shop going out of business around here every other week clearing out their pro machines.
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May 11, 2012 02:51
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Grinders have a pretty wide range of opinion as to what works. When I did my research about 4 years ago to buy mine, the bare minimum recommended grinder was a Capresso Infinity. It's what I ended up buying and honestly. It does a pretty decent job at it. My problem with it isn't it's ability to do espresso grinding, it's the non-anti-static grind basket that it has. If you grind for 10 seconds or more the basket starts to push out of the grinder and you start to lose grinds behind the basket. Because of that, I'd probably say the Baratza Preciso would be my bare minimum recommendation. If you're not already an espresso snob, it would honestly be fine for you, but if you already have a real palette, nose and eye for it, then jumping up to something like a Vario is the way to go.
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May 11, 2012 14:26
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Well I picked up a grinder. I got the Bezerra BB004. Seems pretty good so far but I ran out of beans so I haven't been able to fine tune my shots quite perfectly yet but new beans are going to arrive today! I've been getting a lot better with foaming milk too, everything is coming together smoothly. My wife even allotted me a bit of real estate in her kitchen (next to the garbage cans... bless her heart) for a coffee set up!  I'm not sure if I'll be getting much use out of my Moka pot or my French Press any time soon but I figured their years of service was worthy of a spot on my coffee stand.
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May 11, 2012 17:30
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God that thing is pretty (the Elektra)
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May 11, 2012 18:10
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So... My wife made me aware of this commercial yesterday. What in the gently caress? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpC39-yITdA
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May 11, 2012 18:15
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PainBreak posted:So... My wife made me aware of this commercial yesterday. What in the gently caress?
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May 11, 2012 18:21
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Steve Yun posted:Imagine you're the CEO of Maxwell House, your company makes cheap, mass-market coffee. A renewed interest in hobbyist coffee has emerged in recent years. What else are you going to do in your commercials? Make fun of the french, I hear that's popular!
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May 11, 2012 18:23
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Steve Yun posted:Imagine you're the CEO of Maxwell House, your company makes cheap, mass-market coffee. A renewed interest in hobbyist coffee has emerged in recent years. What else are you going to do in your commercials? Imagine the same setting, but for LG microwaves. Now, imagine the guy throwing a fit, because his steak has grill marks on it. Why would you want that fancy poo poo? Just put it in the microwave, and in 1 minute, it's done! Just let radio waves do the work! Why am I spending so much money, in such a fancy restaurant, if you guys aren't making my steak in the microwave?
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May 11, 2012 18:25
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Most people appreciate the difference between microwave steak and grilled steak. I don't think most people have the same appreciation for coffee, sadly. Commercials are there to cover up your product's shortcomings and alter people's perceptions in favor of your product. Got a low calorie beer but worried that it will be perceived as being sissy? Play a manly Irish pub song in your commercial! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV9f45ryCU0 People are drinking at coffee houses, but your company makes grocery store coffee. Hmm, how can you make going to a coffee house look like too much work! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6Nbx7Gs3xU Don't act surprised, is what I'm saying. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 18:50 on May 11, 2012 |
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May 11, 2012 18:36
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PainBreak posted:So... My wife made me aware of this commercial yesterday. What in the gently caress? The thing that makes me blind with internet rage is the implication that people who actually like the taste of good coffee are richy-rich snobs that don't drink 'blue collar' coffee. gently caress that poo poo, that douche in the commercial is a suburban bitch with a drip. Everyone knows real 'blue collar' men only drink convenience store coffee that's been on the burner for at least 4 hours to properly reduce down into acrid sludge, along with a pack of reds for breakfast. Bougie-boo motherfuckers with their pricey Maxwell poo poo. 
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pnumoman posted:The thing that makes me blind with internet rage is the implication that people who actually like the taste of good coffee are richy-rich snobs that don't drink 'blue collar' coffee. gently caress that poo poo, that douche in the commercial is a suburban bitch with a drip. Everyone knows real 'blue collar' men only drink convenience store coffee that's been on the burner for at least 4 hours to properly reduce down into acrid sludge, along with a pack of reds for breakfast. At least at the end of the commercial, they play the sound of a toilet flushing. Oh, that's a coffee pot? Who would know?
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PainBreak posted:So... My wife made me aware of this commercial yesterday. What in the gently caress? I don't know even know what to say about this it's just so offensive haha. Like it's some kind of war time propaganda.
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May 11, 2012 18:47
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So I guess the idea is that Maxwell coffee is intentionally bad, so by purchasing it you can signal your manly distain for coffee that tastes good?
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May 11, 2012 19:41
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Think about the political ad strategy where you play up your weaknesses as if they're strengths, and frame your opponent's strengths as if they're weaknesses.
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May 11, 2012 19:44
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Behold America, where the coffee is
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May 11, 2012 20:10
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Only "Prius driving, over-educated, socialist, know it all's, from the coasts" drink that "fancy boy" coffee. REAL Americans drink coffee brewed from canned grounds Gods-dammit!!!!!! 
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May 11, 2012 20:36
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I just realized, the guy isn't eating there. Watch it again. The looks on their faces say it all. The waiter is just loving done with it, and the customers are terrified. It's obvious, the waiter knows who it is instantly. It's Rick, or "Rick the Dick" as they all call him. Fired from Starbucks after plunging his member in the White Chocolate Sauce and offering it up to his manager (a 17 year old named Stephen who never left home without his trilby hat), he is now homeless, and a registered sex offender. When he's not standing atop a pair of upside-down Folgers cans on the corner of 53rd and Madeline, screaming to everyone that stale coffee is a lie, he's wandering into the bistros along Weber Street, a discarded Mr. Coffee tucked under his arm and a Maxwell House mug in his hand. PainBreak fucked around with this message at 22:34 on May 11, 2012 |
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PainBreak posted:I just realized, the guy isn't eating there. Watch it again. The looks on their faces say it all. The waiter is just loving done with it, and the customers are terrified. I salute you sir.
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May 11, 2012 23:08
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PainBreak posted:So... My wife made me aware of this commercial yesterday. What in the gently caress? So now Maxwell House drinkers are now all arrogant assholes. Outstanding message you got there CEO. Grandma will love this angle!
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May 12, 2012 16:40
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Yes, the secret to selling more coffee is to insult a growing market of people who have a legitimate interest in coffee. That's just pure marketing genius right there.
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May 12, 2012 22:09
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G-III posted:Yes, the secret to selling more coffee is to insult a growing market of people who have a legitimate interest in coffee. Maxwell House sells coffee?
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May 12, 2012 22:19
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gwrtheyrn posted:Maxwell House sells coffee? At a certain point in the past, it was coffee.
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I assume they put something in those cans whether it's 1 year old coffee beans or maybe just shredded blackened and dried bananna skins. Who the hell knows?
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May 13, 2012 15:31
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For the roasters: interesting article on roast profiling the first crack http://www.sweetmarias.com/library/node/2945
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GrAviTy84 posted:For the roasters: interesting article on roast profiling the first crack http://www.sweetmarias.com/library/node/2945 Interesting. How would one slow down the roast process in say an air popper? Get a handheld fan and have it blow in cooler air? Not sure how effective that would be.
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What's the deal with the metal horse shoe thing at the bottom of my grinder. It seems to be nothing but in the way. But obviously it's there for a reason which makes me think I'm doing things wrong. 
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May 14, 2012 15:37
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That's the bracket into which the spout on your portafilter slides, so you can dose directly into it.
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Astronaut Jones posted:That's the bracket into which the spout on your portafilter slides, so you can dose directly into it. My filter doesnt fit into it really and it just makes it hard to get in there. Stupid thing, im going to cut it off.
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Doh004 posted:Interesting. How would one slow down the roast process in say an air popper? Get a handheld fan and have it blow in cooler air? Not sure how effective that would be. With a variac.
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