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idiotsavant
Jun 4, 2000


quick takes from the West Coast Riesling Society shindig in SF today:

ojai felt like the most honest, true-to-california riesling. not the best riesling as compared to germany, alsace, etc, but they really nailed the "riesling grape in California" idea better than any of the other CA producers in the room

teutonic 2018 "candied mushroom" is not what you normally think of riesling but it was the best wine in the room. loads and loads of ripe peach + pits, a little bit of grandma perfume hiding in the wings, great balance. really compelling wine.

Tatomer 2013/2012 (forget the vineyard but clay soils) and 2016 steinhugel I think? were best classic riesling examples, 2016 was nuts on for delicious kabinett style and 2013 was in a gorgeous oily spot

really neat event, and I hope it sticks around. pretty sure it'll end up going the way of Brumaire if it does continue, and fill up with a million people who want to wait in line over and over to get smashed, but thems the breaks

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Flash Gordon
May 8, 2006
Death To Ming

idiotsavant posted:

quick takes from the West Coast Riesling Society shindig in SF today:

ojai felt like the most honest, true-to-california riesling. not the best riesling as compared to germany, alsace, etc, but they really nailed the "riesling grape in California" idea better than any of the other CA producers in the room

teutonic 2018 "candied mushroom" is not what you normally think of riesling but it was the best wine in the room. loads and loads of ripe peach + pits, a little bit of grandma perfume hiding in the wings, great balance. really compelling wine.

Tatomer 2013/2012 (forget the vineyard but clay soils) and 2016 steinhugel I think? were best classic riesling examples, 2016 was nuts on for delicious kabinett style and 2013 was in a gorgeous oily spot

really neat event, and I hope it sticks around. pretty sure it'll end up going the way of Brumaire if it does continue, and fill up with a million people who want to wait in line over and over to get smashed, but thems the breaks

This sounds like an awesome event. Teutonic's shop in Portland is super close to my work, I should walk over there some day and pick some stuff up.

Probably my favorite thing I drank this weekend was Le Clos des Roches from Les Champs de l'Abbaye. It had a pretty noticeable tar/rubber/asphalt funky nose (which I guess might go away with aeration?) and was super earthy and delicious.

idiotsavant
Jun 4, 2000


It was super fun even with the uneven quality; you don't get too many tastings for the odder grapes out other than like 7% Solution. BTW for podcasts: I just found https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/disgorgeous and it's loving amazing and tops my list of best 2019 wine podcasts

Flash Gordon
May 8, 2006
Death To Ming

idiotsavant posted:

It was super fun even with the uneven quality; you don't get too many tastings for the odder grapes out other than like 7% Solution. BTW for podcasts: I just found https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/disgorgeous and it's loving amazing and tops my list of best 2019 wine podcasts

I listened to the first episode and was dying at work from the Sancerre slander. I had actually coincidentally tried the exact same vintage from Sébastien Riffault this weekend and really dug it! I really like the "drink some wine" style of podcast more than the interview or profile driven ones that I'm not nerdy enough about the process to understand so thanks for the rec.

Side note: If anyone is ever in Portland (Oregon) I would definitely check out Enoteca Nostrana. It's a newish wine bar next to a long established Italian restaurant here and I think they use the prestige/pocketbook of the more well known older brother to stock a bunch of really interesting stuff, particularly French/Italian. They do 100ml pours and every night from 10-midnight wine is all half-price. The food is pretty good too, although anything beyond the bar snacks/olives/bread was more than I wanted to pay while I was spending all my money on wine.

idiotsavant
Jun 4, 2000


yeah it's way more of a "drink wine & bullshit" podcast vs some of the other more deep-divey ones, but it's some nerd-rear end humor and interesting wines - the first ep i've listened to was season 3 ep 61, and Trousseau is the Shadow of grapes re: sonic the hedgehog. it's fun to listen to a wine podcast and not have to give too much of a poo poo about all the nitty gritty wine details, but to still have enough that it's interesting to listen to

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot


Listened to the show; but I'm not sure I need more shows in that format. Got skewered pretty hard from their characterization of the path of the sour-beer nerd -> orange-wine nerd, as well as them making GBS threads on Sancerre. I've also had Riffault's Les Quarterons that they praised in that episode, but that was a wine I had to dump. I could only describe it as heavily light-struck, but there's no hops in wine so I'm not sure that even applies here.

Comb Your Beard
Sep 28, 2007

Chillin' like a villian.

Was stocking up for a bachelor party and got 3 bottles of J. Rogét Brut. 1 per day. I've actually drank worse sparkling wine than that. Good time.

Furious Lobster
Jun 17, 2006



Soiled Meat

I've been trying some '04 Burgundies *for science* and the results have been pretty promising actually. The upside of the '04 vintage is that since it has been generally terrible across the board, one can get wines from more expensive vineyards for relatively cheap. This bottle cost $50. I had a Vougeraie Charmes-Chambertin Les Mazoyeres and it's started to reach the transition from primary fruit to savory components and has a really nice nose. The palate is has decent complexity and the finish is solid.

Kasumeat
Nov 18, 2004


2004 is one of those vintages that got poor scores from Robert Parker & friends so everybody assumes it's bad when it actually produced excellent delicate and refreshing wines which are still holding on thanks to their acidity. 2011 Napa and 2014 Italy come to mind as being in the same camp, really outstanding vintages that lack "concentration" but are abundant in "deliciousness," the latter of which thankfully doesn't have much value to most people with money in the wine world.

Ola
Jul 19, 2004



I also had a nice '04 Burgundy this weekend, but not a real Burgundy. It was a Defaix Chablis Les Lys. Fresh but fat, yellow fruit, citrus, stone, chalk and some Burg mystery. Defaix uses lots of batonnage and other fattening techniques, so it ends up similar to a Côte d'Or, or at least a value alternative at ~$42, off the shelf with age - which is good because then I can return a bad one. Maybe his style is over the top in hot vintages. But I also had a Cote de Lechet 2005 and it wasn't too far behind, but lacking a bit in freshness and complexity.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot


Drinking Pittnauer Mash Pitt. Smells like a citra dry-hopped sour beer, and the cloudy appearance and taste is not far off either. This is phenolic and estery. I get spice, citrus, funk and tropical fruits. High acidity, salty and bitter. There are some cidery saisons that taste like this. There is for sure more than a little brett in this, and I don't think most wine nerds would like this, but it's interesting enough that I don't regret the purchase; even if this was not quite what I was expecting.

Jerome Louis
Nov 5, 2002
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College Slice

Anyone going to ASEV tomorrow? My first time going, I don't really know what to expect. Hoping it's not dreadfully dull

Sextro
Aug 23, 2014


Any recommendations for shops to visit in New Jersey? I like the idea of snooping around for '04 bottles of higher valued vineyards and getting to enjoy on the cheap(ish).

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idiotsavant
Jun 4, 2000


gently caress yes, Joe Canal's in NJ. I'm not sure of the location but it's in a strip mall next to a big lots! and across from an office depot and the buyer is loving insane. She has baller single-grower champagne, Roija going back to like the 1800's or some poo poo, and a badass madeira section. Bunch of LDM portfolio stuff, it's sick.

It's a total crap-rear end NJ liquor warehouse in a strip mall and then you walk in and you're like "oh that's 1950's Lopez de Heredia and a full wall display of Ulysses Collin oh and a whole pile of l'ancien uh what the gently caress is happening here"

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