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GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Why do you all have to be such dicks to poor fox news? I´m sure it was not meant to be a "factional®" statement.

I also want to remind everyone of our great heroes in the bavarian police force. Seven of them were viciously attacked this week by a tiny 23 year old woman(who was handcuffed, restrained and in a police cell at that time) and had to beat her to a pulp in self-defense. As far as disciplinary actions are concerned, I´m sure everything is on the table, from promotions for everyone to a week of unpaid leave. Hurray!


"Der Beamte ist ausgetickt"

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GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

I would keep this guy as far away from any executive power as possible, especially in the defense ministry. He even looks the part. :tinfoil:

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

elwood posted:

http://www.vice.com/Fringes/kingdom-of-germany


That "organization" is part of the (usually far right) free citizens movement and reichsbürger fringe. There are lots of small groups like that make money from gullible idiots or desperate people that see no other way to get out of their financial problems. I had to deal with people like that at work a few times and it's a really sad affair. Still an interesting thing to watch.

Awww, this looks like it's just a run-of-the-mill hippie cult commune. I don't even think the cult leader has more than one or two mental illnesses, if even that.

For a moment there I really thought the freeman-on-the-land movement had finally reached Germany, the youtube videos of Freie Bürger educating the police about how they serve a Marinegericht would probably entertain me for years. :munch:

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Duzzy Funlop posted:

[...]

So I chuckled and lawyered up, like anyone should. My lawyer's response included the funniest and sloppiest legal wording I had ever seen and essentially read "Yeah, uh...nope.". What surprised me then was that their next response was of the exact same boilerplate-quality as the very first one. They hadn't even reacted to one of the requests in our initial response, it was basically like talking to a machine. Same thing with their next 2 responses before never writing again.

Out of curiosity, how much did you have to pay your own lawyer? At least tell me that it was less then what the C&D letter mill wanted from you.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

My Imaginary GF posted:

For instance, I assume AfD won't officially include in its party manifesto that immigrants from Turkey should be rounded up in camps for deportation. TeaParty Republicans already funded those camps and criticize everyone else for not sending more children to those camps.

There is really no reason to romanticize German politics. We do round up asylum seekers in camps, forbid them from working, moving freely or even choosing their own food. It's part of the official asylum policy to make the process as unpleasant as possible, so that people are discouraged from coming here.

Yeah, federal politics are less batshit insane than in the US, but that's really not saying much. In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

PrBacterio posted:

... I hate the world.

"Of course the refugees have to live somehere, but good lord, NOT IN THE BEST PART OF TOWN! We only have Tengelmann's and EDEKA's here, where will they shop?"

Just burn it all down, let the apes have their turn.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

"Gewaltbereite Deutsche raus aus Deutschland" I always say. If they can't adapt to civilized society they have no right to be here.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Mightypeon posted:

I for one am still in favor of the good old "Gewalterlebnisparks" proposed by the APPD. Put all Nazis, and all would be Jihadis in a closed area and have god/thor sort it out. As a Bonus Point, demand for medicinal products should increase.

I really hope all those different flavors of extremist shitheads never realize how similar they are and unite against us. Thank god for tribalism.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Peacekeeping is on of those things that could probably be better handled by a joint EU force(if there will ever be any desire to do more in that direction).

There are just not a lot of German interest we could protect with an army. So IMO it always boils down to: "But all the cool kid countries have big armies, they will laugh at us if we don't!"

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Landsknecht posted:

Germany could do a lot of good in Africa (even though the GIZ already does a lot). Help sort out ebola panic, maybe use some surveillance to stop poaching, keep the peace in Sudan. But lots of Germans still think army=bad, so nobody does anything. Hell, even France offered nuclear weapons, and the government said "no thanks" (the right answer), but the rest of the west wants a bigger German commitment.

Again, why not do it through a EU force? Why do we need an independent all-capable military, when we are not an independent, all-capable country? Does Texas have a carrier battle group?

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Nektu posted:

Because creating a coherent EU military force is a nightmare compared to which bringing the Bundeswher up to par is really, really simple?

It wasn't worded very well, but what I meant was that peacekeeping and rapid response troops could be expanded through a joint European force instead of Germany cooking up its own stuff. Everyone would still get to keep their cold war era commie-smashers as part of NATO.


Landsknecht posted:

While there were many problems associated with the creation of Germany, never forget that it is our home, and wir sind ein Volk. Germany was created at a time when other large groups (the English, the French, the Russians) were united and had a say in international affairs, and we didn't.

That's just not the Germany I grew up in. In most major cities people are surrounded by "Migrationshintergrund" for several generations now and you can no longer appeal to some 19th century Volk idea to create a common identity for people living here. Being German means something different today and for most people that definition does not conflict with organizing a common European defense.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Being a little self-conscious about nationalism has served the republic so well throughout its history and I really don't see why it needs to change.

Just one small example from daily life:

Over here, when a university course needs to be in English for foreign students, it will be in English. No arguments. The German students have to be fluent in English by the end of their studies anyway, so suck it up.

In comparison, I know some people who went to France for a exchange. They were absolutely shocked about the language attitude there. Some shithead co-workers even refused to talk to them in English because "You need to learn the language at some point, this is for your own good!"& "This is still France!".

Yeah, gently caress that. Good luck with attracting foreign talent with that attitude. I'm sure your universities have a fantastic reputation among postdocs world wide!

Nektu posted:

And thats honestly the biggest fuckup ever. America managed just that - to integrate everybody into a (new) common identity.

There are attempts to create a common European identity, for example, through student exchange programs like ERASMUS. But there is also heavy resistance from all kinds of of people worrying about how the EU is stealing their precious clay, which makes the process slow and difficult. It's easier for America, because you leave all your clay behind when you come there. No clay, no worries.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Wait, what? How does this even work?

Don't you need a passport& ID check to leave the Schengen area through an airport? How do you even get to the caliphate from Germany, if you're on a no-fly list? (asking for a friend)

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

I had no idea that we don't use a no-fly list in Europe. Maybe it's a good idea to finally get one, probably cheaper in the long run.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

icantfindaname posted:

Ah Europe, famous land of liberty and civil rights

lol

I've had it with your attitude, no more flights for you!

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

I can smell the "Wir sind Zigeuner Präsident!" BILD headline already.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

I'm sure we will get some hilarious anti-turkish TV spot out of this to make fun of, so I don't know why everyone is complaining.

Of course, doing something substantial like de-segregating our 1950's Alabama-style school system would have been nice too, but I think this brilliant idea is enough work for one election cycle. They certainly have my vote now.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

posh spaz posted:

I said standing up for "good" Western values is the right thing to do, but it makes people hate us. Some of the people who hate us want to harm us. Therefore, standing up for what what we believe in makes us less safe.


Wtf? I'm pretty sure people in Iraq don't give a poo poo about women being allowed to drive cars in California. What they care about is the massive, never ending stream of death, suffering and destruction that the west has been importing into the region for over 60 years. And only about that.

Are you seriously pulling a "They hate are freedoms" in the year of our lord 2014?

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

He is clearly saying that if German troops had marched into Paris in 1914 they would have been praised as liberators and that the world would have been better off with an autocratic super-Germany and Kaiser Wilhelm running it.

Guys, this happens all the time with people visiting Germany and seeing how awesome we are and how well our trains are run. Give him a break, it will pass.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Badly Jester posted:

"Sie hassen unsere freiheitlich-demokratische Grundordnung."


Fun fact: when the state employs you, even as a lowly HiWi at the university, you have to sign a paper stating that you vow to uphold the freiheitlich-demokratische Grundordnung in your work. My work is making copies. Also, I'm not allowed to spill state secrets or release prisoners.

It's even funnier in Bavaria, where you have to say the pledge aloud and it needs to be witnessed and confirmed by a civil servant. Absolutely no crossed fingers and mumbling allowed.

quote:

a) The person attending has this day sworn the following oath, in accordance with Art. 187 of the Constitution of Bavaria, by repeating the words of the oath:
"I swear loyalty to the Constitution of the Free State of Bavaria, so help me God."
This shall be confirmed below.

Probably very awkward for foreign exchange students.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

I think my pig is whistling. Has anyone considered that these Muslim children are Germans? Born and raised as Germans with just as much right to be here and have their religion respected as any other German? The Islamic faith IS German.

If the story is true, let the schools buy the food that's best for all the children. And anyway, cafeteria food is not some fundamental right, it's a necessary evil that everyone has to cope with through out their entire life. It breaks my loving heart every single day to see what kind of crap they managed to scrape from the gutter this time and how much they are going to charge for it. :byobear:

Also: Dear German society, you chose to be an immigration society over two generations ago and it turned out to be a fantastic AND irreversible decision. So maybe it's finally time to give this whole identity-crisis schtick a rest after so many years and move on with your life? Thanks.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Lucy Heartfilia posted:

CDU/CSU mantra over two generations: "We are not an immigration society. All those foreigners will leave, let's not make them feel at home."

I have no problem with getting rid of Bavaria, lets push it into the sea. Just let me get out first and we can start right away.

Randler posted:

Please don't reduce the essence of being German down to antisemitism. The war was over sixty years ago. :(

Muslims can learn so much about exterminating the Jewish race from us. I don't really get Immigrationsverweigerer.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Süddeutsche posted:

Jeder Bürger könnte der Untersuchung zufolge um mehr als 400 Euro jährlich fiskalisch entlastet werden, wenn künftig pro Jahr mindestens 200 000 Zuwanderer nach Deutschland kämen und 30 Prozent von ihnen hoch und weitere 50 Prozent mittel qualifiziert wären.

Wird Deutschland also ausgenutzt? Sind wir das Sehnsuchtsziel aller Flüchtlinge? Die Fakten sprechen dagegen.

Guys, if I understand this correctly we could get a basic income of 400 EUR for everyone in Germany if we can scrap together another 2.4 mio more immigrants by the end of December. Holy poo poo, we will never have to work a single day in our lives again!

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

You are a really lovely artist and I hate your paintings, but that's how the Holocaust started ... soo ... how much for the painting?

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

botany posted:

The interview is hilarious. "Am I a pedophile? Maybe you're gay, or straight, and that's nobody's business. Whether I'm a pedophile is nobody's business either. Maybe you're a pedophile!" :allears:

Haha, fantastic. I can't think of a worse reason to get on a soap box than pedophiles. It's always going to end badly for you, even if you weren't just caught ordering child porn from the internet. But especially if you were. Good riddance, you idiot.

Now lets see who we can whack for warning him about the investigation. The catholic church would be proud of so much solidarity.



"tasteful artistic photographs of beautiful nude bodies"

GABA ghoul fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Dec 19, 2014

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Randler posted:

It's sad how idiots blame the rich, who as a group are more beneficial for Germany than the average German, for being a burden on society, while they keep getting robbed by the left.

If you have infinite resources and privileges at you disposal, expectations are a little bit higher than from the average German. I don't see how wishing that someone more capable and intelligent would get all these opportunities is a bad thing. There are probably a million people in this world who would be much better at his job and who have read a newspaper in the last 10 years and are not rambling about about Negers, Moslems and bootstraps. But as always, if wishes were horse, beggars would ride.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

GaussianCopula posted:

If you were talking about Susanne Klatten or someone like that I would agree that the fact that they are rich is not due to their own ingenuity but in the case of Winfried Stöcker thats not the case. He escaped the socialist regime in the DDR and started a new life in the free/capitalist BRD, where he built his company from scratch. He is credited with a multitude of inventions, which is why his business now has a yearly revenue of over 100mil euro.

That's great, really. But you see, the problem is that he thinks that only he and people with the same skin color as him should even be allowed to do that. He thinks that I should not be allowed to do that. What do you think "Negers should bootstrap themselves into wealth" means? What do you think "Segregated, but equal" means? He doesn't believe in meritocracy, he didn't grow up in a meritocracy and is not the product of one. So lets not get overboard with the praise.

GaussianCopula posted:

My best guess is that he is trolling the people in Görlitz/media with the interview, which incredibly funny You have to understand that he bought an old "Kaufhaus" (think KaDeWe in Görlitz) that the leftist Bildungsbürger loved because it was an historic building and he wanted to open it again, reviving the city yadiyadiya... but now, oh horror, he turns out to be a racist and they can't even accept donations from him. Yes, thats right, a orphan home returned his donation because they could not accept money from such a vile person. Well, that just shows you how stupid the left is, because even the Romans knew "pecunia non olet".

Aehm ... great troll, i guess? Congratulations. Lets get him an account here. Also I don't see the shame in not giving positive publicity to hatemongers. Could have saved a couple of million lives 70 years ago.



Riso posted:

I merely pointed out how the same rhetoric once used to disparage a small ethnic group is now used to disparage a small group based on their wealth.

Hey, guess what: rich peoples honor doesn't need your protection. They have media teams, lawyer, judges and entire political parties. You are technically right, but I'm not gonna lose sleep over the hurt feelings of some rich dude. He doesn't give a poo poo about mine either.

I'm not even going to touch that "hard work makes you rich" poo poo with a ten foot pole. Are you twelve?

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Germany Discussion: What have the rich ever done for us?


Badly Jester posted:

B-but privilege...

Here we go with the moral high ground again. If you're not rich, you're obviously a victim, and therefore have moral outrage on your side. Any sense of nuance goes out the window in a discussion borne out of that mindset. Framing is everything.

Just to clarify, it's absolutely fine with me (not that you need my permission) to be critical of the state of our society and where it's headed. And of course there are rich people that are cunts and whose wealth is based on the exploitation of the average Franz. But if you're making sweeping statements like all rich people should be put down (for what, exactly?), or make unsubstantiated claims about their net effect on our society as a whole, you accomplish nothing. It makes you sound like a juvenile idiot, and it makes your other arguments look bad, no matter how righteous your intent.

Kill the Rich. Hang them all from guillotines.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Cingulate posted:

I wonder if those offended by the "kill the rich" line truly believe Lucy actually does support the mass murder of Germans with a lot of disposable income.

I suspect everyone who is offended by this is actually an unpoor. Like, take a look at Randler. Isn't he some kind of lawyer? He even knows some latin. Rich people are known to do that!

I think it's all-out class war in this thread.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Munich had a great PEGIDA counter-demonstration on monday evening. According to the police at least 12000 people showed up to drown out the handful of PEGIDA demonstrators.

Hope they finally move on to greener pastures, too many non-strawman immigrants living here for that PEGIDA poo poo to fly.

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/anti-pegida-demo-muenchner-setzen-ein-zeichen-1.2279099



GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

GaussianCopula posted:

Well, it just shows that the artist does not know what the "Orient" or where "Kardamon" and "Zimt" are from, because if we use the definition that is the most prevalent today, none of the ingredience for Christstollen are from it. But I guess it's just a simple attempt to make the point that the Orient is part of German culture somehow, because we imported some spices from there.

It's called a metaphor, I think? Take a look at Japans demographics, if you want to see how white bread Germany would look like. You may not like foreign cultures mixing with German cultures, but you will accept it, because the alternative is even worse for you personally. This is not a threat but a simple fact. Retired people need to eat too.

I dream of living in a society one day where culture mixing is not a controversial thing. US goons, tell me how it is to live in such a wonderful place. Does honey flow from the sky? Do you ever grow old?

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Randler posted:

Fun fact: Gemeindeparlamente technically aren't parliaments. :v:

(And anything goes on the muncipal level.)

That's not a very fun fact, you lied!:colbert:

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

I guess it's the same deal as with priests and pedophiles.

Standard firefighter exams should include a test where you have to stare at a burning candle for 10 min without getting an erection.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

BabyFur Denny posted:

If everybody is equal, nobody has the liberty to be different.

Braut der Januar Nebel gar, wird der Frühling nass fürwahr!

icantfindaname posted:

Are y'all sure the AfD aren't a bunch of American libertarians escaped from the asylum?

As stupid as the AfD and their "We are just asking questions!" bullshit is, I have never heard one of the higher-ups actually quote Ron Paul. So either they are hiding it well or are actually sane human being.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Riso posted:

Except it isn't true. What the thieving foreigners are to the right, the dastardly wealthy are to the left.

Dude come on, I know you are probably a nazi and all but even you must agree that the wealth divide and shrinking middle class is a real problem. It's kind of a valid point to have. The rich are taking more than their share from the cake, that's kind of a dick move. Being angry is understandable.

Compare that with right wing stuff like "Gas geben!" and the general hostility towards foreigners and European integration. What is even the argument here? The EU is a money making machine for Germany, who is dominating and even exploiting it like mad. Why would you ever want less economic integration if you were a nationalist? How is this not populism?

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Cingulate posted:

It seems not only is the media misrepresenting the Patriotischen Europäer gegen die Islamisierung Des Abendlandes, so is PEGIDA itself:


Good thing you got that name then I guess.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

I think you need to actually have some kind of positive Ruf first, before it can be ermordet by someone. Wo kein Schaden, da kein Richter.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Jüdisches Lügenwiki Wikipedia posted:

Bachmann ist durch die Begehung von zahlreichen, unterschiedlichen Straftaten (u.a. Körperverletzung, Einbruch und Diebstahl)[2] mehrfach strafrechtlich in Erscheinung getreten[3][4] und wurde unter anderem 1998 zu drei Jahren und 8 Monaten Haft verurteilt. Kurz nach der Verurteilung entzog er sich jedoch der Justiz und flüchtete nach Südafrika, wo er zwei Jahre lang unter falschem Namen lebte, aber schließlich von der Einwanderungsbehörde identifiziert und nach Deutschland abgeschoben wurde.[5][6] Nach zwei Jahren Haft in Deutschland wurde er vorzeitig auf Bewährung entlassen.[7]

Auf den Demonstrationen sprach Bachmann von „kriminellen Asylanten“ und von armen Rentnern, die in unbeheizten Wohnungen säßen und sich „kein Stück Stollen“ mehr leisten könnten, während „Asylbewerber in luxuriös ausgestatteten Unterkünften lebten“.[19]

Oh Lutz, please tell me more about those kriminelle Asylanten. :allears:

Did you steal that poor Rentners Stollen and Heizungsthermostat, Lutz? Is this what PEGIDA is all about? A big cover-up?

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Cingulate posted:

A girl complaining about having learned 3 languages in school is lacking perspective a bit.
And there is a certain insensitivity observable here - right after we had this huge thing with Western values, and how an ideological thing, like free speech, can be more important than lives, somebody seems to argue that we should become more efficient and materialist.
That's a claim made up by you.

:ssh: School has never been cool, outside of the middle class.

All Akademikerkinder in this thread, I see.

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GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Randler posted:

Also, tax paying is trivial as long as you're employed because your employer does it for you.

That's totally missing the point of spoiled teenagers complaining about random stuff. Which is none.

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