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Acebuckeye13 posted:I hate to break this to you but House is a giant rear end in a top hat and massive control freak and it is entirely in-character for him to brutally crush an organization that isn't directly loyal or accountable to him, especially one on his doorstep with active ties to his greatest potential threat once the Legion has been dealt with. As opposed to kimball sending thousands of young men and women to die so he can get reelected, or caesers larp vanity project. House is no more an egotistical rear end in a top hat than every other leader in history is. But he's the only one whose not trying to destabilize every other functional state in the wasteland. As for him in freeside during the game, he has very little control over the securitrons beyond the strip, and he needs what he has to keep the NCR from just annexing vegas. Edit: and at any rate if House is such a bloodthirsty control freak why does he simply not care when emily ortal bugs the 38. Gaius Marius fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Feb 27, 2021 |
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Feb 27, 2021 15:44
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House fans are nerds.
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Feb 27, 2021 16:35
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Honestly I think it's less out of character for House and more out of character for the King to just decide that the building where he once found some Elvis tapes that broke is something to fight to the death over. He absolutely does not give a poo poo that hard about anything during the course of the game. He can't be loving bothered to do anything for Freeside despite being the biggest local power, he can't be bothered to check what his subordinates are doing, he doesn't give a poo poo unless you shove it in his face. And then all of a sudden he's going to fight to the death?
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Feb 27, 2021 17:00
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Got a hot take that the worst faction is NCR, because they alone have learned nothing from the death of the previous world. Their system is a note for note recreation of the previous American empire that got the world genocided, and they're already well on the path of shifting from nominal democracy to secret omnicidal oligarchy
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Feb 27, 2021 17:12
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Best Friends posted:they're already well on the path of shifting from nominal democracy to secret omnicidal oligarchy [citation needed]
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Feb 27, 2021 17:16
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Lots of dialogue about how the barons run things, the NCR is doing military expansion already, it's basically a pre war America speedrun. The next step is getting an enclave. Either pre war America was some weird fluke or following the exact same steps goes to the same place
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Feb 27, 2021 17:31
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Gaius Marius posted:Edit: and at any rate if House is such a bloodthirsty control freak why does he simply not care when emily ortal bugs the 38. He doesn't care because it doesn't work, he knows it won't work, and she's not a threat. Best Friends posted:Got a hot take that the worst faction is NCR, because they alone have learned nothing from the death of the previous world. Their system is a note for note recreation of the previous American empire that got the world genocided, and they're already well on the path of shifting from nominal democracy to secret omnicidal oligarchy Democracy, flawed as it may be, still beats the hell out of fascism and oligarchy.
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Feb 27, 2021 17:40
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NCR is an oligarchy. Try to explain to the homesteaders who heck gunderson intimidated into selling that they don't live in an oligarchy.
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Feb 27, 2021 17:49
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Jamie Faith posted:The Kings aren't his customers tho, are they? The King's groupie mentions that the King visits the Strip for nights out. House's main issue is a lack of communication - if he did the transmitting through his robots thing more (I suppose he must have when writing up the contracts?), then it would solve a fair few of the Strip's, and by extension, Freeside's problems.
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Feb 27, 2021 17:53
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House has outright abandoned communicating with anyone which is why all three casinos are betraying him and the NCR is too.
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Feb 27, 2021 17:54
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Gaius Marius posted:NCR is an oligarchy. Try to explain to the homesteaders who heck gunderson intimidated into selling that they don't live in an oligarchy. Kimball and every NCR Senator can be voted out. The only way House goes out is with a 9 iron embedded in his skull.
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Feb 27, 2021 17:55
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By real world standards ncr's democracy is relatively good compared to oligarchy and despotism, but in the fallout universe it is crystal clear that ncr democracy leads directly to killing almost all life on Earth. We don't know where house or the legion will end up (tho arguably life under the legion is as bad as omnicide), but we do know exactly where the ncr goes, and it's a handful of roving bands of cannibals fighting over a blighted Earth.
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Feb 27, 2021 18:03
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The only 2 things you need to know about house is he let a brain damaged, cannibalistic stranger into his secret base, with only 2 doors separating the stranger and his hermetic coffin, and then I ate him
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Feb 27, 2021 19:39
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JawKnee posted:The only 2 things you need to know about house is he let a brain damaged, cannibalistic stranger into his secret base, with only 2 doors separating the stranger and his hermetic coffin, and then I ate him To be fair if you look in the game files, that poo poo was supposed to be locked up tight and the only way to get in was to find one of the VIP Lucky 38 cards in I think H&H Tools, or New Vegas Steel.
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Feb 27, 2021 19:47
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Never played this game but always wanted to and thinking about signing up for PS Now just to give it a shot. Has anyone tried this on PS Now? Runs decently enough with a solid internet connection? Assuming that is the case, what are some good tips for a first time player to know?
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Feb 27, 2021 20:12
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Orange Crush Rush posted:To be fair if you look in the game files, that poo poo was supposed to be locked up tight and the only way to get in was to find one of the VIP Lucky 38 cards in I think H&H Tools, or New Vegas Steel. unironically I would have loved it if it was WAAAAY more difficult to get to house, so that's too bad I guess
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Feb 27, 2021 21:05
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Apparently it's the keycard OR the Platinum Chip to get into the antechamber, which kinda makes sense - but yeah, it'd be better if it required the keycard or maybe even a very hard hack. I had the securitrons upgraded to MkII on this run when I killed House, and they took so long to gear up their missile launchers I was in the basement before they managed to fire a single shot.
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Feb 27, 2021 21:10
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Orange Crush Rush posted:To be fair if you look in the game files, that poo poo was supposed to be locked up tight and the only way to get in was to find one of the VIP Lucky 38 cards in I think H&H Tools, or New Vegas Steel. Camp Golf. NV Steel is one of the cut Executive Overrides.
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Feb 27, 2021 21:36
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If House surrenders to the NCR, he could always restart H&H Tools - it is his property, after all. Get into the tool making business. And Camp Golf, but I don't think he can do much relaxing in the resort being stuck in a tube.
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Feb 27, 2021 21:45
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OldMemes posted:If House surrenders to the NCR, he could always restart H&H Tools - it is his property, after all. Get into the tool making business. And Camp Golf, but I don't think he can do much relaxing in the resort being stuck in a tube. H&H was his half brother Anthony's gig after he cheated Mr. House out of their parent' inheritance. RobCo came after H&H for their stocks but the Great War ended that whole business.
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Feb 27, 2021 21:52
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That's actually cut contents sort of. There's an ending for the NCR where house negotiates citizenship and control of his casinos in exchange for the dam
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Feb 27, 2021 21:57
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Gaius Marius posted:That's actually cut contents sort of. There's an ending for the NCR where house negotiates citizenship and control of his casinos in exchange for the dam Yep, that's what I was going off. I thought House bought out H&H Tools when he made his own fortune with Robco?
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Feb 27, 2021 21:58
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It's always funny when Fallout makes people go hog wild saying "actually taxes are worse than a murderous sociopath dictator"
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Feb 27, 2021 22:00
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OldMemes posted:Yep, that's what I was going off. I thought House bought out H&H Tools when he made his own fortune with Robco? Big-asterisk yes. He bought out H&H slowly... which pushed his paranoid schizophrenic brother to activate military grade defenses shooting anything that moves, that are acknowledged in dialogue as having stayed active continuously. He might own it but he never got to actually make use of it.
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Feb 27, 2021 22:01
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steinrokkan posted:It's always funny when Fallout makes people go hog wild saying "actually taxes are worse than a murderous sociopath dictator"
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Feb 27, 2021 22:13
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Raygereio posted:House, NCR, Caesar and Yes Man are all murderous sociopathic dictators of some sort. Indeed, there is absolutely no difference between the NCR and the Legion, im very smart.
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Feb 27, 2021 22:14
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Ahh yes, the NCR having a single lovely president after an incredibly competent one in Tandy and a few mediocre ones in the middle that don't get much mention equals the NCR 100% going down the exact same path as the old world US. Guess we better watch out for the NCR going after those Chinese solider ghouls in that one random factory in DC next cause they are going to get on that hate train for commies any day now... Seriously, are people really saying that the NCR is going to turn into the old world USA? Oh no, the NCR has a patch shittyness thanks to a huge variety of factors both side and out. The game itself shows that with notable but still doable effort one can turn around a huge amount of things with the NCR, but nope, NCR is worse then the Fiends I guess. Oh well.. 
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Feb 27, 2021 22:38
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House winning is good for the NCR too - it might get them better leadership who will get back to the ideals the NCR is meant to follow, rather than sliding into expansionism nationalism.
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Feb 27, 2021 22:45
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the only difference between the NCR running a draft and imprisoning people on spurious reasoning and then using their slave labor to build railroads and other infrastructure, and the Legion just literally enslaving people for both of those things, is that one is palatable to a certain kind of person who doesn't think about it that hard.
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Feb 27, 2021 22:47
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OldMemes posted:House winning is good for the NCR too - it might get them better leadership who will get back to the ideals the NCR is meant to follow, rather than sliding into expansionism nationalism. If you let Hanlon keep doing his thing and House or Yes Man wins the Dam, he actually is able to stop their "Manifest Dynasty" stuff for a while which gives NCR a chance to actually start getting their poo poo together in their own backyard. edit: speaking of the cut House stuff, is there a mod that restores needing a VIP Keycard or actually restores Moon Comes Over the Tower? That can't be too hard, it's all in the game already. Orange Crush Rush fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Feb 27, 2021 |
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Feb 27, 2021 22:49
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Rockstar Massacre posted:the only difference between the NCR running a draft and imprisoning people on spurious reasoning and then using their slave labor to build railroads and other infrastructure, and the Legion just literally enslaving people for both of those things, is that one is palatable to a certain kind of person who doesn't think about it that hard. Huh? Nearly every Powder Ganger both admits to their crimes, and brags that they'd do it again.
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Feb 27, 2021 22:57
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steinrokkan posted:It's always funny when Fallout makes people go hog wild saying "actually taxes are worse than a murderous sociopath dictator" There's taxes, and then there's taxes. By the 5th Century there were plenty of people under Roman rule willing to side with the barbarian hordes to get out from under the ever-increasing tax burden of the late Empire. If the tax collector is taking 95% of what you worked for, and not really giving you any benefits in return, I think most people would be very receptive to an alternative form of government, and might not be terribly picky about it. If they're taking 10%, not so much. We don't know the specifics of the NCR tax code, but if the net effect for a Mojave resident is that you're still in about the same situation you were before (because the NCR can't/won't control the bandits in their territory), but now you're paying, say, 30-50% of your revenue or crops in taxes where you weren't before, then the NCR's version of democracy might seem like a pretty bum deal.
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Feb 27, 2021 22:58
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Paracelsus posted:There's taxes, and then there's taxes. By the 5th Century there were plenty of people under Roman rule willing to side with the barbarian hordes to get out from under the ever-increasing tax burden of the late Empire. If the tax collector is taking 95% of what you worked for, and not really giving you any benefits in return, I think most people would be very receptive to an alternative form of government, and might not be terribly picky about it. If they're taking 10%, not so much. We don't know the specifics of the NCR tax code, but if the net effect for a Mojave resident is that you're still in about the same situation you were before (because the NCR can't/won't control the bandits in their territory), but now you're paying, say, 30-50% of your revenue or crops in taxes where you weren't before, then the NCR's version of democracy might seem like a pretty bum deal. To be fair, from what I remember at least, life deep into NCR Territory (ie, closer to the coast) is actually pretty great for most people. They do have the bandits and raiders under control, roads have been properly rebuilt, power and water are secure, etc. It's just the NCR have expanded so much and so fast ever since they found Hoover Dam and Vegas were still mostly intact, they haven't really bothered to make sure everything is safe and under control further and further east. For NCR Citizens living close or inside the Mojave, they get all of the taxes with none of the benefits, and that's whats causing a lot of frustration and headaches.
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Feb 27, 2021 23:02
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minya posted:Never played this game but always wanted to and thinking about signing up for PS Now just to give it a shot. Has anyone tried this on PS Now? Runs decently enough with a solid internet connection? I haven't played New Vegas on PSNow, but it wasn't too hot on PS3- the console didn't have much memory and it was prone to crashing. I don't know if PSNow would fix that. If you can play games at all on your computer then that's the ideal way to play NV; if you buy it from gog.com then I think it comes bundled with a couple of fanpatches that make it run better
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Feb 27, 2021 23:11
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UED Special Ops posted:Ahh yes, the NCR having a single lovely president after an incredibly competent one in Tandy and a few mediocre ones in the middle that don't get much mention equals the NCR 100% going down the exact same path as the old world US. Guess we better watch out for the NCR going after those Chinese solider ghouls in that one random factory in DC next cause they are going to get on that hate train for commies any day now...
So, they've had a so-so President followed by a great President, then a so-so, a guy who sucks and then a guy who sucks hard. It's a shame that the ending slides don't focus on how just, you know, letting Kimball suck up a JFK Special effects the Republic. Who takes over? Is the guy/gal who follows suck less, or more, or about the same? The move to expand East has been happening for about 20+ years at this point, due to public outrage over raider attacks. A House Win - and not outing Chief Hanlon - may well be the only thing that holds the NCR back. It's a shame that there's no way for the Courier to take their own kind of problem solving out west to deal with the Barons.
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Feb 27, 2021 23:20
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No fanpatches in the GOG version, just the exe already has the large address awareness flag so it can handle >4GB memory. You still should use 4GB Patcher on it though to make NVSE just a little extra stable.
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Feb 27, 2021 23:21
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LashLightning posted:
Yeah, sadly speculating anything to far post 2nd Battle of Hoover Dam gets blurred really quick. One would think that a good karma pro-NCR Courier would use their war hero status to do something about the Barons out west though, double so if they ventured into the the Ultra-Luxe and dealt with the Brahmin Baron situation there. 
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Feb 27, 2021 23:52
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Rockstar Massacre posted:the only difference between the NCR running a draft and imprisoning people on spurious reasoning and then using their slave labor to build railroads and other infrastructure, and the Legion just literally enslaving people for both of those things, is that one is palatable to a certain kind of person who doesn't think about it that hard. lol, just lmao You forgot to put Amerikkka somewhere in your post, btw, might wanna fix that.
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I know that from what little we really know about pre-war Fallout, America before the bombs fell was not a politically well place, but I don't think you can just go all-in on saying that the whole apocalypse was just an outgrowth of old American philosophy and the old American system, because it was...a war. America sent its nukes out, and then Russia and China sent their nukes in. I think by some accounts it was even instigated by the Chinese. Like America's not innocent, but it's not exclusively responsible for the event unless you ascribe to American Exceptionalism so that only the US has control over events that happen on the world stage. Arguably America isn't even responsible for most of the damage in America (since that's not where America's missiles went), and there should be more people dredging up propagandistic hatred for the old enemy who physically sent the bombs to destroy the part of the world they live in rather than just wryly assuming that the people of the old world were all equally responsible. There's a lot of criticisms of real-world America in the games, but I don't feel like they were trying to condemn it entirely. Notably, the people who are most against rebuilding the new world to resemble anything of old America are on the side of the fascist, sexist, turbo-murdering Legion, so I don't really respect their opinions. I'm against the NCR's manifest destiny because I don't like forcible conquest, not because they resemble old America.
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