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whydirt
Apr 18, 2001


Gaz Posting Brigade

Logan's Loophole is basically 100% upside since capping your level just prevents you from the hassle of scaling enemies in the DLCs.

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2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!

Halser posted:

he's just not used to it. He has a pretty annoying level of motion sickness, so he never got into first person shooters at all(he plays FNV in third person). He's also a weeb, so no WRPGs. It took me a long, long time of insistence and persistence to get him to enjoy FNV. I've got a spot in heaven for how much patience I had to spare.


After several hours of mod troubleshooting(I asked him to install basic bugfix mods) he told me that this game was bullshit because the nightkin were pretty much immortal and he was out of healing items and ammo.

I told him to go buy some supplies from some traders, and he told me he never found any traders, and that everyone he met just shot him on sight.

After a bit of troubleshooting and intuition, I figured out what happened to him:

He left Goodsprings and killed powder gangers. He equipped their armor, and ignored the faction clothing message. He went back to goodsprings, and slaughter ensued.
He went to Primm, got shot by the NCR trooper there. He killed the trooper and equipped his armor.
He met Vulpes in Nipton, got shot by the legionnaires. He killed them all and equipped their armor.
He went to Novac, and got shot by everyone there too, which made him flee towards REPCONN.


It was an absolute catastrophe. The funny thing is that his unfamiliarity with WRPGs made him never question whether or not it is normal for every single NPC in the world to attack you on sight.

Once I figured that out and told him how spectacularly he hosed up, he restarted, and his opinion on the game did a complete 180.

I did a similar thing when I first played; I found some NCR armour somewhere and didn't get the faction armour system, and then I got the quest to go to Nipton and got annoyed because the legionaries just immediately attacked me and owned me.

I can't really talk about people being noobs about crafting and stuff because I've played the game so much for so long that I actually can't remember how much I used crafting when I was getting started. The tragedy of playing a game to death...

aniviron
Sep 11, 2014


Neurolimal posted:

Incidentally, a big part of peoples' difficulty going north from Goodsprings stems from them brushing off crafting and never making themselves some antipoison.

I remember how floored I was when I found out about Snakebite Tourniquets. They're composed of a bufflo gourd seed and a surgical tubing, and they make it so you can pretty much punch cazadores to death with your bare hands at level 5.

I get it though, Obsidian clearly realized the crafting interface is poo poo and didn't have time to do anything about it. So it's a part of the game for people who get really invested in it, and then anyone else who doesn't want to bother, doesn't have to.

Halser
Aug 24, 2016


2house2fly posted:

I did a similar thing when I first played; I found some NCR armour somewhere and didn't get the faction armour system, and then I got the quest to go to Nipton and got annoyed because the legionaries just immediately attacked me and owned me.

I can't really talk about people being noobs about crafting and stuff because I've played the game so much for so long that I actually can't remember how much I used crafting when I was getting started. The tragedy of playing a game to death...

I'm not blaming him for the perfect storm he got himself into. I actually wonder what jsawyer(or any game dev that actually cares for that matter) would think of a player having such a disastrous experience just by ignoring one popup.

Ignoring it multiple times, yeah, but still.

Seashell Salesman
Aug 4, 2005

Holy wow! That "Literally A Person" sure is a cool and good poster. He's smart and witty and he smells like a pure mountain stream. I posted in his thread and I got a FANCY NEW AVATAR!!!!

There is this flash of inspiration you can see in the survivalist cooking and medicine progression, but the game makes it more viable to just live in civilization and/or consume pre-war supplies.

StandardVC10
Feb 6, 2007



Neurolimal posted:

Incidentally, a big part of peoples' difficulty going north from Goodsprings stems from them brushing off crafting and never making themselves some antipoison.

After I first got owned by a cazador I began looking for the antivenom recipe. Turns out its kind of tricky to make - if you're on the crit path, you probably haven't run across that many nightstalkers, and it needs something like 50 Survival. I can see a lot of players not having any when they first come across cazadors. This is also a good argument for the snakebite tourniquet, but that's DLC (I forget which DLC, might even be the last one.)

DeathChicken
Jul 9, 2012

Nonsense. I have not yet begun to defile myself.

Also Cazadores just eat your allies alive. They'll never actually cure themselves of poison if they get stung, even if you hand them a bunch of antidotes to do so.

Halser
Aug 24, 2016


Seashell Salesman posted:

There is this flash of inspiration you can see in the survivalist cooking and medicine progression, but the game makes it more viable to just live in civilization and/or consume pre-war supplies.

Survival is worth it for Rushing Water alone.

And Travel Light, too. I love going faster. Wish you could stack move speed in FNV like you could in FO4. +40% speed and an explosive shotgun made me feel like I was doomguy in post apocalypse.

aniviron
Sep 11, 2014


Yeah, it's from Lonesome Road. You don't have to go there to get the recipe though- it takes just 30 survival, which you might almost have already from your starting SPECIAL stats, and then a campfire plus surgical tubing and a buffalo gourd seed, both of which are common as dirt. It's automatic use so no need to gently caress around in the pip-boy, and then after it cures the poison you're 85% poison resistant (As high as the game will let you be) for 30 seconds more, so future repoisonings aren't a problem unlike with normal antivenom.

Basically it's easy as dirt to craft and it completely makes Cazadores non threats. All you have to do is own the DLC, and most people will at this point because it's so cheap.

Seashell Salesman
Aug 4, 2005

Holy wow! That "Literally A Person" sure is a cool and good poster. He's smart and witty and he smells like a pure mountain stream. I posted in his thread and I got a FANCY NEW AVATAR!!!!

Halser posted:

Survival is worth it for Rushing Water alone.

And Travel Light, too. I love going faster. Wish you could stack move speed in FNV like you could in FO4. +40% speed and an explosive shotgun made me feel like I was doomguy in post apocalypse.

What I meant was the stuff in there hints at a playstyle based around survival crafting as a necessity, like in a traditional survival game. I don't think the recipes are useless as the game exists-- your post pretty much points out exactly what they are useful for instead.

Keeshhound
Jan 14, 2010

Mad Duck Swagger


Halser posted:

I'm not blaming him for the perfect storm he got himself into. I actually wonder what jsawyer(or any game dev that actually cares for that matter) would think of a player having such a disastrous experience just by ignoring one popup.

Ignoring it multiple times, yeah, but still.

In an ideal world, the Primm NCR guy who yells at you to stay clear would recognize that you're not a powder ganger and tell you outright to be more careful because "the others are a little twitchier than me," or something similar.

Garrand
Dec 28, 2012


I did a bunch of playthroughs never touching the survival skill and finally decided to make a "live off the land" type character where I never bought things at shops. The crafting system isn't quite deep enough to really make it work though, I think I gave up after a while of not having anything to cure a broken face.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.



Yeah I keep wanting to do a Solid Snake knockoff but crafting interface is garbage

Halser
Aug 24, 2016


even after a few patches, you'll probably have trouble crafting some of the more complex stuff. The issue of weight always springs to mind(especially with jsawyer.esp). Weapon Repair Kits are one of the few things I bother to collect ingredients for, because it's a nice balance between availability and usefulness. If I keep the ingredients in mind when I start the game, I also tend to craft Turbo in batches.

You have stuff like Wasteland Tequila and Large Wasteland Tequila that need to be crafted in large amounts to be useful, but their requirements are oddly specific so you just keep gathering and gathering the more common pieces and never actually craft anything. Hell, I can't remember the last time I crafted a Doctor's Bag.

Malpais Legate
Oct 1, 2014



I only ever made Stimpacks, honestly. I have something like 500 hours in this game and I still cannot bring myself to use the loving Reloading Benches. Variant ammo was just too much customization for my taste.

Seashell Salesman
Aug 4, 2005

Holy wow! That "Literally A Person" sure is a cool and good poster. He's smart and witty and he smells like a pure mountain stream. I posted in his thread and I got a FANCY NEW AVATAR!!!!

It's useful if you are planning out some crazy build, you can use stuff like wadcutters and get maybe 25% more damage over standard ammo. If you think of it like a damage perk then you'd take that perk.

oh jay
Oct 15, 2012



For certain ammo, the Hand Loader variant is strictly better than the normal--unlike, say, Hollow Points which are only situationally better. For those ones, just disassemble all the normal ones and the occasional scrap metal and make as many as you can, no thinking required.

Garrand
Dec 28, 2012


I think one of the first mods I ever downloaded was an ammo bench menu mod because I was trying to disassemble like 2000 5mm ammo and make whatever the handloader variant of it was and you could only do I think 99 rounds at a time.

Seashell Salesman
Aug 4, 2005

Holy wow! That "Literally A Person" sure is a cool and good poster. He's smart and witty and he smells like a pure mountain stream. I posted in his thread and I got a FANCY NEW AVATAR!!!!

Garrand posted:

I think one of the first mods I ever downloaded was an ammo bench menu mod because I was trying to disassemble like 2000 5mm ammo and make whatever the handloader variant of it was and you could only do I think 99 rounds at a time.

JIP made a mod that lets you choose how many things to craft in the crafting menu. That God drat warlock.

aniviron
Sep 11, 2014


Just another way in which Energy Weapons are superior to traditional guns the ammo crafting is dead easy, every ammo type can be converted to every other ammo type, and your premium ammos are just flat out better, increasing damage by quite a lot and cutting down enemy DT. It's like having AP and hollow point in the same ammo, and the only downside is slightly higher gun wear, which is completely negligible with how easy it is to make weapon repair kits. It also balances out to about the same gun wear overall, since you spend fewer shots to kill things.

DeathChicken
Jul 9, 2012

Nonsense. I have not yet begun to defile myself.

Also you can go murder the Silver Rush and you're basically set for life on weapons

Giga Gaia
May 2, 2006
one billion earth goddesses

DeathChicken posted:

Also you can go murder the Silver Rush and you're basically set for life on weapons

You should just do this on general principle because Rose of Sharon Cassidy is your friend and good.

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014

We can't stop here! This is cat country!


DeathChicken posted:

Also you can go murder the Silver Rush and you're basically set for life on weapons

poo poo, you don't even need to murder. Just drag everything piece by piece to the restroom and you can loot the whole display if you spare enough time.

And then use all the guns you got to murder them.

Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


I use the Save Cass mod and the Van Graff hostility fix so I can finish Birds of a Feather and not have them go crazy on me after finishing Heartaches by the Number. It's a bit of a shame that the conclusion to Birds of a Feather I'd gated behind selling out Cass to a murderer, because it's actually a really neat quest and shows how cutthroat businesses keep the NCR happy enough to turn a blind eye to their black market dealings.

mauman
Jul 30, 2014

Whoever's got the biggest whiskers does the talking.


chitoryu12 posted:

poo poo, you don't even need to murder. Just drag everything piece by piece to the restroom and you can loot the whole display if you spare enough time.

And then use all the guns you got to murder them.

Or use a single pip-boy and steal everything right from under there noses.

And then still kill them cuz they're assholes

whydirt posted:

Logan's Loophole is basically 100% upside since capping your level just prevents you from the hassle of scaling enemies in the DLCs.

I've ran into so many people who play this game that don't get this.

It boggles my mind how people don't realize how awesome Logan's Loopshole is.

Never mind the drugs (though it IS an amazing ability and worth it just for that), but the ability to cap the enemies' level (which affects them WAY more than you) is just amazing.

mauman fucked around with this message at Jan 6, 2018 around 06:52

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010

Who's a little boy now?



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Halser
Aug 24, 2016



no Lucky 38 in the background? For shame.

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