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Well there will be mass starvation in the NCR in less than a decade. Seems like a practical reason to not support them if you don't buy into any moral reason not to.
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NikkolasKing posted:Well there will be mass starvation in the NCR in less than a decade. Hildern is an unreliable source, fwiw. He's an elitist jackass who takes credit for other people's work while not understanding it himself, and he's solely concerned about the famine issue as a point of personal advancement. Food supply is definitely a danger point for the NCR but Hildern's specific estimates are dicey. Claiming it's worse than it is makes him look even better when he brings out a "miracle solution" (that happens to create plant zombies that will murder the gently caress out of NCR civilians).
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Feb 28, 2021 01:33
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If there was really going to be mass starvation in the NCR in a few years, I have to imagine that there would already have been mass starvation in a California without them. The Brahmin Barons that we are all saying are bad for politics are probably good for feeding people on an industrial scale. And I'm sure that rebuilding the agriculture industry would have been much harder when constantly being attacked by raiders.
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Feb 28, 2021 01:50
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As a rule it takes about ten times the amount of land to feed an equivalent amount of people using livestock as it does with just crops
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Feb 28, 2021 01:54
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A House victory would help the NCR's food production issues - with the end of expansion, it would stop the mindset of "oh well, we'll just keep expanding and find more resources" and get congress to focus on the issue, and House repairing the infrastructure means trading food becomes easier, and his tech could help solve the problems.
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Feb 28, 2021 01:56
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SlothfulCobra posted:I know that from what little we really know about pre-war Fallout, America before the bombs fell was not a politically well place, but I don't think you can just go all-in on saying that the whole apocalypse was just an outgrowth of old American philosophy and the old American system, because it was...a war. America sent its nukes out, and then Russia and China sent their nukes in. I think by some accounts it was even instigated by the Chinese. Europe and the Middle East went to war first, followed by China invading Alaska, then the USA annexing Canada, followed by the USA invading the Chinese mainland (Hence the "Yangtze Memorial" in New Vegas, plus some dialog by the Enclave in F2 indicating that America was winning the war), followed by Chinese nukes + American Nukes. I think according to the Fallout Bible the USA had so many more nukes that China has no post-war civilization. Everything is just gone. Also Mothership Zeta claims it was aliens who launched the first nukes
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Feb 28, 2021 02:32
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One of the ideas for either BOS2 or Tactics 2 was that the chinese survived and returned to being an empire, and they were gonna use a giant bomb to destroy the rest of the US. So the Brotherhood has to march through Alaska and into China to stop them. Thankfully that didn't happen
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Feb 28, 2021 02:40
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If brahmin are anything like cattle, raising them for food is a huge blight on the actual food supply in terms of capital and land use.
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Feb 28, 2021 03:19
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Rockstar Massacre posted:If brahmin are anything like cattle, raising them for food is a huge blight on the actual food supply in terms of capital and land use. I mean that depends on the land itself, there's plenty of grazing land that is otherwise unsuitable for farming.
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Feb 28, 2021 03:46
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Wonder what the Amazon rainforest looks like in the 2280's.
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Gaius Marius posted:One of the ideas for either BOS2 or Tactics 2 was that the chinese survived and returned to being an empire, and they were gonna use a giant bomb to destroy the rest of the US. So the Brotherhood has to march through Alaska and into China to stop them. That was probably BOS2. Tactics 2 involved a malfunctioning GECK in Florida that basically prefigured the plot of Annihilation like 15 years early.
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Feb 28, 2021 05:27
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Basic Chunnel posted:That was probably BOS2. Tactics 2 involved a malfunctioning GECK in Florida that basically prefigured the plot of Annihilation like 15 years early. Ah yes with the Mutant Alligators the cowards designing the games still haven't given us.
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Feb 28, 2021 05:31
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I mean that depends on the land itself, there's plenty of grazing land that is otherwise unsuitable for farming. that's true, but it's not like all cattle is raised there and otherwise land is used effectively - all over the world good farmland gets wasted feeding cattle, which is probably one of the worst meats for people to be eating nutritionally anyway. all of which is 10 times more relevant in a postapoc wasteland where both water and usable land is at a premium
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Gaius Marius posted:Ah yes with the Mutant Alligators the cowards designing the games still haven't given us. Regrettably, they were in a Fallout 4 DLC
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Feb 28, 2021 05:58
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Rockstar Massacre posted:that's true, but it's not like all cattle is raised there and otherwise land is used effectively - all over the world good farmland gets wasted feeding cattle, which is probably one of the worst meats for people to be eating nutritionally anyway. The Brahmin do have value as beasts of burden, though, so it's not all meat production. And you can run a nice little pharmaceutical business on the side!
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Feb 28, 2021 06:26
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImbFOXB7Diw Well that's certainly an improvement over the wiggle monster.
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Feb 28, 2021 17:11
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Dont the games also heavily imply that the nuclear war was actually started by vault tec?
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Feb 28, 2021 17:11
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"The details are trivial and pointless. The reasons, as always, purely human ones." Casting blame for who fired the first shots is irrelevant in the Wasteland since there are very few people still alive to give a proper account.
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Feb 28, 2021 17:14
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Burns posted:Dont the games also heavily imply that the nuclear war was actually started by vault tec?
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Feb 28, 2021 19:17
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Turns out, everybody started the Great War. 25 different war schemes all enacted at the exact same moment.
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Burns posted:Dont the games also heavily imply that the nuclear war was actually started by vault tec? Vault-tec is just fan theories. And the Zeta aliens thing is people making way too much from single dumb audio log.
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Basic Chunnel posted:Pretty sure it was bored AIs and then in Mothership Zeta it turned out to be aliens "it's aliens in Zeta" is really tenuous. Log 17, the sole evidence that the aliens were remotely involved, had its audio cut before release. Even then, all the logs together paint a pretty clear picture - the aliens aren't telling anyone what they even want to hear, they just want the captives to talk and shock them if they're not talking. There's not even any indication that the aliens understand what's being said. Log 17's audio indicates they could be forcing the speaker, but a) 24 logs of "no evidence" or "active evidence against the theory" vs 1 log of "supporting", b) it's still cut audio.
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Feb 28, 2021 20:06
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The audiolog is of a US general being tortured to death rather than reveal the nuclear codes. I guess you could extrapolate from that that the aliens were trying to get the nuclear codes and therefore it's possible they did eventually, but there's no confirmation of that in the DLC
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2house2fly posted:The audiolog is of a US general being tortured to death rather than reveal the nuclear codes. I guess you could extrapolate from that that the aliens were trying to get the nuclear codes and therefore it's possible they did eventually, but there's no confirmation of that in the DLC The general's death isn't confirmed by the log. Zeta is pretty heavily implying that the aliens had a hand in the war. There's no flashing screen that says ALIENS DID IT, but given that they put that idea in there and that Bethesda's storytelling is done with all the deftness of someone with ham for hands and little understanding of the themes and messages of Fallout beyond its aesthetic, it's pretty likely that's what they wanted your takeaway to be. I'd be surprised if it's something they ever directly run with or bring back going forward, but I chalk that up to even them realizing that maybe focusing so much on the aliens is a bad idea as much as I would whoever is currently working on it realizing that would be an awful idea.
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I think a theme of Fallout is that militarism and a nuclear standoff makes nuclear war inevitable in the long run. The question of who started it is moot, because all of the nuclear powers are partially responsible.
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Feb 28, 2021 21:47
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Gaius Marius posted:One of the ideas for either BOS2 or Tactics 2 was that the chinese survived and returned to being an empire, and they were gonna use a giant bomb to destroy the rest of the US. So the Brotherhood has to march through Alaska and into China to stop them. That was for the cancelled PlayStation spin-off Fallout Extreme - a project that never got past the early design document phase.
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Arcsquad12 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImbFOXB7Diw 10/10 amazing. You have to pay taxes 100% of House supporters' worst nightmares. EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2-5vJQqaBY Dr. Ada Strauss is even better than I ever realized. Her and No-Bark were some of my favorites, but even more now. Crazy Joe Wilson fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Mar 1, 2021 |
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NikkolasKing posted:Well there will be mass starvation in the NCR in less than a decade. I feel like Lake Mead is the most important resource the NCR can get out of the Mojave. Yeah the power from the Dam is good and the money from the Corpse King's Casino Fiefdom will pay for a lot of anarchist video essayist Patreon donations but, if the famine thing is to be believed, without Lake Mead the NCR is totally hosed.
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Chamale posted:I think a theme of Fallout is that militarism and a nuclear standoff makes nuclear war inevitable in the long run. The question of who started it is moot, because all of the nuclear powers are partially responsible. Yeah, that the aliens are trying to influence events is just another snagged jenga block in the wobbly house of cards. oh jay posted:Turns out, everybody started the Great War. 25 different war schemes all enacted at the exact same moment. That there were that many points for the initiation of the apocalypse really shows how things got out of hand. You only get one Vassili Arkhipov to go around.
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I prefer a head-canon nuclear war sort of like Ending C to the film version of Clue. All the theories are true, simultaneously. Everyone started the nuclear war at the same time. American government, Enclave, Chinese government, Aliens, Vault Tec, no wrong answers.
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MariusLecter posted:Yeah, that the aliens are trying to influence events is just another snagged jenga block in the wobbly house of cards. There were ton of Arkhipovs. Around the same time as that incident, the "NUCLEAR MISSILES INBOUND" alarm went off at an Air Force base because it had been accidentally wired to the intruder alarm, and a bear was trying to climb the fence. They scrambled bombers to nuke the Soviet Union, then recalled them. One of the bombers had a broken radio so they had to drive a jeep in front of it on the runway to stop it from taking off. Put ten thousand nukes on hair triggers, and keep that standoff for 120 years, and eventually you'll get mutually assured destruction. Fallout's Cold War stagnation was overdue for a nuclear war.
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The thing was, it wasn't a cold war: China invaded Alaska, and the Americans counter invaded China. The war was hot, it just had the last push to make it nuclear. The lore says that in the days leading up the nuclear exchange, Maxson discovered the FEV experiments at the Glow, and ordered a large party of the army to mutiny in response...no-one noticed due the lines of command having fallen apart.
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Was Green Monster men the prewar final intention of FEV or was that just what happened when The Master started tweaking the formula?
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Arcsquad12 posted:Was Green Monster men the prewar final intention of FEV or was that just what happened when The Master started tweaking the formula? And as they were tinkering with DNA it transitioned into a super-soldier project.
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That's a running theme with pre-war horror projects. Vault-Tec started as a completely genuine attempt to build shelters for people after the nuclear war in the Middle East started a panic.
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DaysBefore posted:I feel like Lake Mead is the most important resource the NCR can get out of the Mojave. Yeah the power from the Dam is good and the money from the Corpse King's Casino Fiefdom will pay for a lot of anarchist video essayist Patreon donations but, if the famine thing is to be believed, without Lake Mead the NCR is totally hosed. Even today the Colorado River is one of the most important sources of water for Southern California, particularly for agriculture. Crazy Joe Wilson posted:EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2-5vJQqaBY I have never seen this, loving incredible
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oh jay posted:Turns out, everybody started the Great War. 25 different war schemes all enacted at the exact same moment. Well that's how a nuclear escalation would work in real life. A cascade of contingencies tripping off other contingencies in other countries until it's impossible to back off because all the involved powers are presumed to be scrambling to launch.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Was Green Monster men the prewar final intention of FEV or was that just what happened when The Master started tweaking the formula? Green monster men specifically was a result of The Master tinkering with it in Fallout 1, same with the centaurs, etc., although pre-war super-soldiers of some manners were produced, IIRC. Bethesda's variants of FEV seem to produce green (and yellow!) monster men far more often, though.
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According to the wiki, Vault Tec launching the bombs appears only in the script for the scrapped Fallout movie.
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