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CJacobs posted:Counterpoint: You can wear a Yao Guai on your head if you kill Vulpes, which you should do on every playthrough. That alone makes it awesome. Yeah, I thought 'dumb but fun/awesome' pretty much defined the aesthetics of fallout. I mean the cowboy face robot isn't exactly the most dignified android I've ever seen. As someone who only very recently discovered FNV I've gotta say I'm so drat hooked. I never played fallout one or two, but did play three which I found to be very... Meh. I mean it had potential and was unique (since I'd never played a fallout game) but FNV really does blow it out of the water. I must be hanging with the wrong e-crowds too because a lot of the internet opinion I saw of FNV said it was a lot worse than 3. Looking back it's pretty weird how the brotherhood of steel were pretty much portrayed as the 'good guys' of Fallout 3. I find the FNV version (being a lot more mixed) to be a lot more interesting. In fact the whole game is like that, where things that were okay but kinda lacking in 3 have been improved hugely. Especially in terms of making all the factions unique and interesting. They seem to have a lot more depth than 3, which just had Mad Max dudes and Republicans as bad guys. BUT now that I've sucked the games dick for a while I get to complain. So I'm helping Veronica out and after her quest is done she's all 'Player, make the decision for me!' and I naturally said she had to decide for herself, and she decides to stay which to me seemed a bit.. Off? Like I kind of got the impression afterward that she was probably only staying out of peer pressure and might have been asking for someone to tell her it would be okay to leave the crazy cult she lives with, and that I hosed up. BUT ANYWAY leaving that bunker, armed with a revolver and leather armour, four dudes in power armour pop up and say 'EXECUTE THEM' and I die. Then my autosave loads... As I leave the bunker and the BoS guys ambush me. I must have replayed that part about 50 times until I shot all their super lasers out of their hands, and then ran around kiting them while Veronica beats them to death with her robot fist. You know people complain about Fallout scaling enemy encounters to the player level, but that poo poo wasn't balanced at all for where I was in the game. Every time I DIDN'T get all of their guns out of their hands in one or two VATS's they'd blow my head clean off in no time flat. At least I got some power armour... That I can't wear. 
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socialsecurity posted:Drugs and explosives solve most problems in the Fallout universe. I never think to use drugs in this game, I think part of it is that I'm terrible at video games. I mean, I didn't even know you could assign stuff to the numpad, I've been using all my items through the pip boy (which is a pain even not using drugs) until like two days ago. Which is also when I had to restart the game because I chose a terrible perk (from a mod I think) that means you don't regenerate AP at all unless you're below 50% health or something. I mis-read the description, I thought my AP would just regenerate FASTER below 50% health and every kill while below 10% would instantly refill my AP. I was at like, level 16 before I realize what was causing it. And before you ask why I didn't just restart earlier, I had assumed that it was a part of hardcore mode. At least now I'm further than I was. And I just remember how much I hated the boomer artillery run thing, that I did just before going back to the BoS and getting 'executed'. That guy who gives you the 'instructions' to get past them is getting my big iron up his rear end when I find him again. Those instructions were God awful! 'The key is to stick the northwest while you stay on the northeast side, then run straight at the gate while running along the fence' what the gently caress man. If those instructions weren't INTENTIONALLY bad, and I get dialog where I can complain about it/describe the horrors I'm about to do to him then I'm gonna... Well to be honest I'm just going to keep playing but I'll complain about it on an internet forum some time afterwards!
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Feb 26, 2014 06:13
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Ddraig posted:Just a head's up, the dude who gave you the instructions probably gave you bad information. He is, after all, trying to win a bet and make sure you don't come to collect. I knew there was something fishy about that bet, but I assumed it was just a way to shoe-horn a mini-game/challenge. Guess I underestimated FNV again.
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Feb 26, 2014 06:45
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JawKnee posted:I am amazed that people still post about being unable to do this. HUG. THE. ROCK. WALL. How is this difficult? I did! I swear! Bloody artillery blew me up anyway! I swear I'm not terrible at video games, ignore all those examples of how bad I am. Also I couldn't do health scumming with the pip boy since hardcore mode. The railroad does require 100 Lockpick as stated above, and I didn't even know what Turbo DID until very recently so yeah. I told you I was terrible.
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Feb 26, 2014 08:27
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twistedmentat posted:I don't think there is a Legion game that won't make you feel gross. High strength, Low int character named Titus Pullo.
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twistedmentat posted:Yea, but the stuff you do, its just terrible! And Pullo was not dumb, just unsophisticated. True... Yeah I guess there isn't a way to feel good about crucifying dudes. Still, since you've seen Rome just try to channel the whole 'it's barbaric, but not as barbaric as the people outside the Roman border' thing in your mind. I mean in a choice between the legion and the fiends, I'd pick the legion. And Raul (Who I've just found in my playthrough, conveniently enough) says that the Legion actually were a sortof force of good in... Wherever it was. Which I suppose they would be if there was nothing but fiends-style raiders there. I mean theoretically legion civilians that live within their borders live a reasonably safe and peaceful life. The borders are where Roman society is at it's ugliest. The problem with the Legion is that the presence of the NCR and hell even the BoS give you much better alternatives. The legion works if it's the only alternative to tribal barbarism, when there's functional democracies/technocracies that DON'T crucify or enslave people it becomes a lot less appealing. And it seems like a missed opportunity that the Legion's version of slavery seems to be more of the plantation kind than the Roman kind. Or at least, late Roman. It would have helped if at one point you met a Legion slave who said "Actually, the Roman system of slavery guarantee's me a salary, living quarters and a fairly good quality of life as well as protection from abuse by my master. I think I'd rather stay here and wait until I can buy my freedom than return to the wasteland to get raped by fiends, or starve when I can't find work/people to take me in thanks." It would let you keep the legion as the bad guys but still have at least some sort of complexity and viability as a side a player might support.
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Feb 28, 2014 06:51
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Corin Tucker's Stalker posted:It's crazy how much content is in this game, and how much of it has been thought through. Simply getting all the companions and doing their sidequests (thanks to the talk in this thread) is bringing me to places I haven't seen before, populated by characters that shed some light on the bigger picture. As someone who still hasn't finished their first playthrough, I've got to say I'm blown away by just how much stuff there is to do. I thought 'I'll do all the missions outside of New Vegas and the DLC's before heading in' but I gave up on that today since it seems like there's just an ENDLESS supply of new quests/characters and they're all fun. They aren't those terrible sidequests in RPGs that just feel... Soulless and boring (Looking at you, Skyrim). But, in regards to the main storyline, I've gotta say Benny is every bit as stupid as he sounds when he talks. It only takes 60 speech to get him to send away his bodyguards and meet you completely alone (Well, I had Cass and Rex there too, so extra dumb points for him). I mean did he remember he shot me in the head and left me in a shallow grave? I mean, 60 speech! It took 75 to get a discount at the vault 21 hotel! I can't wait until his bodyguards go up to the suite to check on him and find him.  Or did I go too far? I never used to mutilate bodies and leave them to be found by their friends. It all started with that drat BoS ambush I moaned about earlier...  (I was hoping to swap all of their heads around so they'd look crazy, but one of their heads blew up and the other rolled away and I couldn't find it) ...Yeah I think I might have to take a break from the wasteland for a while... Also is it me, or is posing objects really hard to do? There doesn't seem to be any way to rotate what you're holding so that you can pose it right, it was a pain in the rear end to get the heads to stay ontop of the neck-stump. And don't get me started on getting Benny's head to face the right way in that toilet... PootieTang fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Feb 28, 2014 |
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Nobody Interesting posted:You can sure hold a grudge. We should all take note to never piss you off. He shot me in the head! Twice! Shallow grave! Yeah you're way too forgiving, I mean Mr House was straight up, he ordered a package and was gonna pay me fair and square. Hell, he saves your life through Victor right at the start, showers you with gifts when you first meet, then offers you a huge bonus for completing the delivery. Also, he's polite and has a rocking voice actor. Benny? He didn't even NEED to shoot you as far as I can tell, and just robbing a courier is a major faux pas. Like Cass said, you don't gently caress with the people who deliver your mail. How could you side with Benny against such a kind old man? My only dissapointment in the game so far was that there was no option to say to Benny "From where you're kneeling it must seem like an 18-carat run of bad luck. Truth is...the game was rigged from the start." Then BAM!
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Ddraig posted:In many ways, they're a democracy in name only. Yeah. And I think a lot of people are very forgiving of 'democratic imperialism' in the sense that 'invading places because of manifest destiny is OK, as long as you call yourself a 'democracy'. I mean, this forum IS mostly American after all. I mean it would be one thing if the NCR was fighting for, say, the right for Vegas to elect it's own leader, or if the majority of people in Vegas actually wanted to join with the NCR. But they're not, they're just saying "You know that foreign leader who invaded your lands? He's your president now, have a tiny flag with a bear on it" I mean there ain't no vote for people in the Mojave. You either accept the person the NCR decided would be best to rule you, or you get shot. It's not like they're even trying to rebuild America as a whole, they just want to siphon off everyone else's resources and send them back West to California. Still, they're better than the Legion at least. But I went with House, since like was mentioned above, robots don't rape, torture, or subvert the system for their own ends. That and House explicitly stated he didn't really care what people did with themselves. All he really talked about was getting the monorails fixed and scientific advancement. As much as everyone calls him a dictator, he doesn't really seem to 'run' anything except keeping the casino's running and the streets safe. That and the ending told me that since I'm so awesome, I made sure that House was just and fair to the citizens of Vegas. In my own personal canon the Courier used his influence to set up some kind of independent democratic government for Vegas/the Mojave, with House staying on as legal owner of the Casino's/security contractor.
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Ddraig posted:I again refer you to Bitter Springs. Raygereio posted:The Khans brought Bitter Springs down on themselves. Yeah for some reason I doubt that arguments gonna work Ddraug. Kind of like those people who think kids getting their school blown up by a drone deserved it for living with terrorists.
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Raygereio posted:One way to look at what happened at Bittersprings is that it was a massacre. Another is that was a public service as it made the Mojave a safer place for a while. You know I'm generally on the side of the NCR being good-ish guys, but holy poo poo did you really just say 'some call the wholesale slaughter innocent civilians a war crime, but others call it MAKING THE WORLD SAFER' I mean holy poo poo dude you're asking to get Godwin'd with that poo poo. 
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Nephthys posted:
I know that in an earlier draft you could convince him to spare the BoS. I wonder if New Vegas Uncut re-includes it.
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MisterBibs posted:You make the choice of barbarism one too many times, you're going to suffer the fate of barbarians. SpookyLizard posted:Of course nothing justifies the wholesale murder of children courtesy of the NCR, but, y'know, they had it coming what with being born Khans. I'm getting a very 'legion' vibe from these quotes... Also SpookyLizard, those dead children didn't choose to be born Khans. If you ever find yourself thinking "this group had it coming, what with being born [blank]" make sure you remember I get that you guys like the NCR but defending Bitter Springs is not the way to do so, especially considering Boone, who is a total NCR loyalist states pretty clearly and repeatedly that it was an act of total evil. Hell his entire arc is about him dealing with how traumatized he was from doing it, and he's a lucky one since he actually walked out of there alive.
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Mar 20, 2014 20:29
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JawKnee posted:It's barely analogous if we reaaaaaaally stretch the concept of 'physical identification'. Also it was just a puzzle. Barely one at that. I barely think it counts since it feels like something they added for the game-play rather than story-line. At best the most you can say is that the NCR were only feeding their own guys, since it would probably be fairly easy to tell in any kind of real-world scenario. The difficulty of the questions is based entirely on making them super easy for a player to get.
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Mar 21, 2014 00:42
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Yasser Arafatwa posted:It'd be more like wiping out Ku Klux Klan or Westboro Baptist Church ideology, Have you ever heard of Waco? And this thread really should be renamed to white supremacy or something, because for every person using logical arguments like "Bitter Springs was an accident" or "Although they sometimes commit atrocities, they're still better than the alternatives and actually try to avoid them" but holy poo poo at the amount of people who try to justify the atrocities themselves. Adding to the above discussion though, I had assumed I was just awful at the game because Legionary assassins always seem to wipe me out in five seconds unless I save scum. Do they have like, hidden buffs or something? Because none of my weapons seem to do any loving damage to them but they seem to cut through my health like a hot knife through butter. And I checked their loving gear, their armour and weapons shouldn't be poo poo compared to mine. What the hell, legion?
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Mar 22, 2014 18:27
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gently caress the boomers. They're only barely better than the white legs.
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McTimmy posted:If you're going the Yes Man route and you blow up the Securitron Vault, he'll suggest you blow up the Dam and make it inoperable so the NCR will lose any interest in expanding to the region. So the guy before who said that blowing up hoover dam had no reason/logic to it was full of poo poo? So I guess NV is still objectively better than 3 
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Wolfsheim posted:I dunno, I thought it was pretty funny how Bethesda tricked some people into unironically siding with the fantasy equivalent of white nationalists in Skyrim. The actual civil war questline was pretty terrible, but the concept had merit. Was it a trick? I mean granted I never could finish Skyrim, but up to where I got to it just kinda seemed... There. Now I'm not accusing Bethesda as being white nationalists, but it really seemed to me like the racist faction were the total good guys (except for the part where they're racist). Kind of like the BoS in FO3, except if the BoS was actually the third Reich.
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Apr 11, 2014 22:12
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Ofaloaf posted:The Empire was also trying to quietly deal with the Thalmor and the Stormcloaks were even engineered by those poncy elves to a certain degree so I dunno how they're the total good guys, horrible racism aside. Well like I said I never did finish the game, so maybe I didn't get quite up to the bit where the plot thickens and the Stormcloaks are revealed as bad guys. Though you can't argue that the opening part with the execution and stuff really lays it on thick to go with the Stormcloaks. They should have given the Stormloak guy who helps you escape the execution a Hitler 'stache as a hint. Because gently caress having to replay un-skippable tutorial levels.
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twistedmentat posted:Its like why does everyone in Star Wars prequels wear kimonos and live in art deco buildings, because the people who designed it decided that's the look of it. And because the people who designed it were hacks lead by the lord of the hacks himself George Lucas?
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:I just went back to Jean Sky Diving and... I don't know how to tell you this, but you're probably being haunted. I give you about a week until you 'mysteriously disappear' and then your story ends up on snopes, but listed as 'false'. PootieTang fucked around with this message at 05:05 on Jul 13, 2014 |
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