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Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

we respect the antelope; for the antelope is not a mere antelope


Aberlour A'Bunadh Batch 38
As I understand there isn't a huge amount of variation between batches but what do I know having only tried this one. The A'Bunadh is reasonably priced and in my opinion qualitywise completely equal to for example a Glenlivet 16yo Nadurra which is also a cask strength in the same price range (although not at all similar). The whisky is finished in Oloroso sherry casks which shows as both the telltale dark brown-reddish colour and the plums, dates and overall sweetness of the nose and palate. Due to this sweetness and the long, long aftertaste that masks well the fact the bottle is 60,3% strong, this stuff is great with desserts. Not a subtle or watery experience.


Caol Ila Elements of Islay3
The 3rd Elements bottling from this distillery is very smoky. A friend said he nosed canned peaches in it, but I can only detect a vague fruitiness and a more pungent sweet aroma I can't place. Raisins? The taste is pungent and sooty as is to be expected, but not acrid or bland, just a well placed bundle of delightfully strong peat and a very dry aftertaste. Not a far cry from the blend of Islay whisky from various distilleries going under the name Big Peat, but with less seaweed/algae in the nose and much less water in the taste, both improvements over BP.


Laphroaigh Quarter Cask
the Quarter Cask boasts a production method of second maturation of the whisky in casks much smaller than regular size ones. What it claims to be is a "recreation of the practices of a bygone era" in order to "create the perfect marriage of peat and oak". What it is is an appalling bottle of smoked piss with notes of fresh sawn board and tar with all the subtlety of a wet fish in the face. The medicinal iodine smell of Laphroaigh is muted under the smoke, smoke, more smoke and wet wood. The nose is closed tight and stays that way, and the taste which itself is not particularly bad but also not a match for even the regular 10yo devolves into a horrifically lingering tarry aftertaste, as if drinking something someone put out a cigarette in. After this experience I'll stick with the Laphroaigh 18 and 10, and will forget trying the other gimmick bottling, Triple Wood.


Ardbeg Corryvreckan
Here's another less usual whisky, this time one that does it quite right. The Corryvreckan is as super aromatic as any other Ardbeg (leave a couple of empty glasses in a room and come back in a while if you don't know what I mean) with a smell of overripe citrus and something vaguely baconish. Instead of the warmer tones of the 10yo and the absolutely fabulous Uigeadail, the Corryvreckan's palate trick is salt. Properly named after a whirlpool north of Islay, the Corry is a taste of peaty seawater but in a good way. I don't quite remember another whisky which would be as harshly saline and to be sure I wouldn't recommend this to just anyone - only for those looking for a very curious but inarguably excellent bottle. The Corry is unfortunately priced well above the aforementioned Uigeadail which is all around a better whisky, no contest, so recommending Corry is slightly difficult for me although I do appreciate its unique character very much.

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Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

we respect the antelope; for the antelope is not a mere antelope

AWWNAW posted:

I just bought a bottle of this yesterday too, because I love Laphroaig and thought this may be even better. Well, it's pretty goddamned intense.
I think the QC's unfortunate characteristics come out best when there's more than just QC on the table. I've drank it aside glasses of Talisker 57°, Laph 18, Lagavulin 16 and the ones mentioned in the above post and the QC just isn't playing in the same league. There's a ton of soot flavour in there but it lacks all finesse and balance, almost as if it were a cask strength blended whiskey without any care paid to the blending process.

How's that 10yo rye? Not into ryes but could spare to try something delicious.

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

we respect the antelope; for the antelope is not a mere antelope

Cthulhu Dreams posted:

Can anyone clarify this puzzling question for me? I live right next to a big chain booze franchise thing in Australia (Dan Murphys), and the whisk(e)y section is heavily populated with

'Hart Brothers Caol Ila 11 Year Old Scotch Whisky' and the like. Seen here:

http://danmurphys.com.au/product/DM_913995/hart-brothers-caol-ila-11-year-old-scotch-whisky

As far as I can see Hart Brothers are just a bottling company that presumably has some tie-up deal with the underlying companies, but can anyone clarify that relationship, and is the product in the link Caol ila 11 year old as bottled by some idiots, or something completely different.
Never had a Hart bottling but if they're like other bottlers (Gordon & MacPhail, McMurray...) then yes, that's Caol Ila, bought by the cask from the distillery then bottled wherever Hart bottles their drinks.

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

we respect the antelope; for the antelope is not a mere antelope

Cthulhu Dreams posted:

Is that standard practice? I'm wondering why Caol Ila does it's own branded bottlings and onsells casks to others for bottling?

Yea. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_bottler

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

we respect the antelope; for the antelope is not a mere antelope


A Laphroaig hat trick.

My camera isn't good enough to capture the difference so I didn't take a shot of the glasses, but to my eyes the 10yo has the deepest colour of the three. Since Laphroaig uses colouring I assume this adjustment is made to make the 10yo closer to popular blends in tone. Looking at the QC and especially the 18yo, which are coloured as well, I think the uncoloured Laphroaig is quite pale and far away from the slight copper tone of the 10yo. Personally I wish they didn't colour (or if they did then only the 10yo), since the colour isn't a statement of age or quality and the common misconception of it being such should not be fed.

I haven't had a glass of the 10yo in a long time and was surprised to find it as mellow on the nose as it turned out to be. There's a faint (compared to Ardbeg) odour of sea, kelp and salt with iodine and herbs, clean and fresh with a very noticeable smokiness. Compared to the 10yo the Quarter Cask seems to have the same characteristics but amplified in a very unbalanced and off-putting way. The fresh sea breeze carrying a wisp of smoke has here turned into a smoked fish stored on a fresh but thoroughly moist 2X4. The 18yo is missing the smell of gauze wrap that's a noticeable and often commented characteristic of the 10yo, or if it's there I can't find it. The smoke and peat give way to new tones here: bookleather, something citrusy and old wood.

Tastewise the 10yo is a beautifully balanced dram all the way until the aftertaste, which is a little disappointing and hollow after the flavour bomb that it is in the mouth. Sweeter and more accessible than I remembered, still an excellent Islay malt for the price it commands. The QC is more bitter, stinging even. It's got quite a lot more aftertaste but it's unfortunately mostly from the tarry side of the flavour spectrum, and not from the side where excellent tar candy resides but from the tarry resin near pipe screens. The 18yo has exactly the same velvety texture as the other two, but here the different aromas have balanced and produced a slowly dissolving, satisfyingly sour mix of leather, pepper, anis and a hint of liquorice.

The 10yo is no longer THE Islay malt I remembered it as since it was my introduction to single malts, but since it remains reasonably priced it's a solid choice although the market is currently saturated with a wealth of good stuff at this price range. I adore the 18yo but readily confess that its price point is painful, so I can't happily recommend it. For those loking for a QC-like experience I'd suggest trying Ardbeg Uigeadail which in my opinion does this whole smoked fish, salt and bacon thing a lot better.

Deleuzionist fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Apr 6, 2012

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

we respect the antelope; for the antelope is not a mere antelope

kidsafe posted:

To each his own, but I find Quarter Cask much more pleasant than the 10yr. I don't taste any more tar or fishy influence than the 10, but I do get a whole lot less medicine/bandaids. I get more fresh wood bonfire smoke instead of Islay peat smoke...Overall the whisky is sweeter to me and has a fresher mouthfeel...like clean mineral water. Quarter Cask is far more similar in profile to the 18 than the 10 is to anything else.
How would you say the QC and the 18 are similar?

Nosing the empty glasses now, next to the 10 I can easily distinguish similar scents heavily accented in the QC (heavy bandaid replaced by heavy fresh wood), but compared to the two the lingering scent in the 18 glass doesn't remind me of either. The heaviest lingering aromas are: cream toffee, vanilla for the 18, iodine and a bit of salt water for the 10, and tarred wood for the QC.

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

we respect the antelope; for the antelope is not a mere antelope
I agree it's difficult to form any kind of a solid opinion on something you can only have a glass or two of and with no familiar bottles to compare with. By old wood I mean the kind of taste that doesn't seem to develop into whiskys under 15 or 16 years old - not as stale as the wood note in older Glenfarclas whiskys but more soft, maybe the word is "rich" or "mature" instead of "old".

NightConqueror posted:

Definitely a fair assessment. While I dearly love the Quarter Cask, there are a few flaws one can find after tasting a few drams - the tarriness for one and a slightly ashy aftertaste I sometimes get. I think the Ardbeg 10 is a little more nuanced than the Laphroaig 10 and QC, and a bit more mild with more salty, sea notes. Haven't tried the Uigeadail yet or the famous Lagavaulin 16, both of which I've heard are excellent.
The Lagavulin is a fine show of tar done right, like drinking from a bottle while sitting in a century-old fishing boat somewhere off the Islay coast. Although I initially mistook it to be too similar to the standard release, the 1995 distillers edition is actually a delicious improvement over it. I'll have to pick up a bottle or two before they switch to selling 1996.


Is anybody well familiar with the Auchentoshan 12 or older ones? I had a dram of the 12 which was otherwise nice but I was hit with a heavy alcohol aftertaste. Was it just a fluke or is this taste typical to the 12 or the distillery's other products?

Deleuzionist fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Apr 7, 2012

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

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pork never goes bad posted:

Auchentoshan as a distillery tends to produce whiskies with a significant level of burn, in my experience. I have had most of their range at one time or another, and have not been impressed.

Recently bought a bottle of the A'bunadh bottling #32 - will write up some notes. For those who like sherried drams, the A'bunadh is amongst the greatest. Glenfarclas has some exceptional sherried whiskies too, and the 12 is a perennial favorite on my shelf.

ETA - if you like Bruichladdich 12, try Jura. Same distilling team, and approach.
Thanks. Based on that info and my short experience I may pass buying Auchentoshan bottles then since burn isn't my thing either.

Agreed on the A'bunadh, at that price and strength it's a steal unless one just doesn't like oloroso whiskys.

NightConqueror posted:

"Oh, it's pretty good. Not great for doing shots, but it goes down smooth with a little coke."
That makes me villagers with torches and pitchforks mad.

Deleuzionist fucked around with this message at 09:04 on Apr 7, 2012

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

we respect the antelope; for the antelope is not a mere antelope
Noticed a Mackillop's single cask bottle next to some Auchentoshans at a bar earlier, contents turned out to be a Brora from 1976. Oh my I'm broke in love.

I'll do tasting notes on Taliskers 10, 18 and the CS 57 North soon. Good stuff all around with a definite common spirit to all of them. None of them bad and the 10 extremely recommendable due to its low price point. So far the 57 North seems to amplify the peppery and spicy characteristics of the 10 while the 18 smooths them out beautifully. All have in common an afterglow effect that warms the throat and makes you feel happy and fulfilled (not joking even).

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

we respect the antelope; for the antelope is not a mere antelope
For the Lagavulin fans here I recommend trying this if you spot a bottle anywhere.



The specifics are not listed but by smell and taste I'd say it's definitely much younger than the standard 16 year old expression, making the two fun to compare side by side. A bit more saline, burning and kelp-like, but still a wonderful Lagavulin.

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

we respect the antelope; for the antelope is not a mere antelope

Kenning posted:

The other night I tried some Yamazaki 12 because I wanted to see about this whole Japanese whisky thing and man that was some pear-heavy aroma. It was tasty, very light compared to all the Islays I've been drinking. I suspect this is pretty much an entry-level Japanese, right? Anything else I should look for?
The Hakushu 12 is excellent. It's a one-note whisky but the note is well sustained and has a zen-like character. The 18 year old is more oaky, rounded and has developed other flavours but it's unfortunately also really expensive. I found the Yoichi 10 enjoyable but don't know how it ages as I've not tried the older ones. Miyagikou 15's peppery bite was a rather unpleasant surprise and out of the three mentioned made the least favourable impression on me. If you're into blended stuff the Hibiki 12 is rather nice and priced below any of the single malts mentioned above.

Deleuzionist fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Oct 4, 2012

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

we respect the antelope; for the antelope is not a mere antelope

NightConqueror posted:

Glenmorangie Original is about $40 and has a lot of the similar flavors of Glenlivet: slightly citrusy, green apple notes, a clean mild finish. It's a little more interesting than Glenlivet but still mild enough for a person who likes Speyside whisky.

You could also try Glenfiddich 15 Solera Reserve, but I haven't tried it. I've heard good things though. Maybe some of the other guys here can be more creative than me.
The Glenfiddich 15 is, nosed and tasted next to any other quality scotch, a rather bland and boring experience. It's not bad or undrinkable, just completely lacking of character, which I assume to be an effect of the vatting process. For something in the same vein but with actual taste and no overpowering smoke or tarriness, Bowmore would most likely serve much better.

Deleuzionist fucked around with this message at 09:38 on Oct 16, 2012

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

we respect the antelope; for the antelope is not a mere antelope

spankmeister posted:

Talisker is quite peppery compared to Glenlivet, it's a good intro to the more flavorful whiskies but HP might be a better stepping stone.
Agreed, and to my experience Talisker lacks a defining taste. It is quite strong and the warmth it lends to my throat on passing it is a unique effect among the bottles in my cabinet, but compared to other scotches I really do find it difficult to discern various flavours in it, so for an unexperienced drinker a HP or a Glenlivet would most likely provide an experience easier to savour.

For a more unique yet affordable Glenlivet the 15 yo Nadurra cask strength is very solid.


edit: The mailman brought a box from heaven.

Deleuzionist fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Oct 16, 2012

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

we respect the antelope; for the antelope is not a mere antelope
Let's taste: Ardbeg x 3

I tasted Airigh Nam Beist at a local whisky bar this summer and thought it was much better than the Supernova and Corryvreckan I sampled alongside it. In fact I thought it was good enough to warrant a purchase if I ever came across one, which unfortunately seemed unlikely since it's long out of stock almost everywhere. Thankfully The Whisky Exchange still has some bottles, so after paying their extortionate price for one I finally got a chance to know it better alongside two newer Ardbegs, the aforementioned Corryvreckan (bottled at a respectable 57% alc. vol.) and the excellently priced and delicious Uigeadail.



Colours
Uigeadail: coppery with medium redness, remniscent of other sherry-matured whiskies
Corryvreckan: sunglow
Airigh Nam Beist: golden yellow, pale but yellower than the 10yo

According to Ardbeg the Uigeadail smells like 'chocolate caramels, barley sugar, dates, raisins, leather, linseed oil', to which I'd add fried bacon with salt, the very specific smell of an old leather recliner, and, upon adding water, currant concentrate. The mouthfeel of the whisky is medium bodied, neither too watery or too oily. It bites the tongue a bit like young whisky (unsurprisingly Still Young comes to mind), but the palate is much richer than the 10yo's with the dates and oiliness promised by the nose. Slight sweetness like liquor-filled chocolates, but also the sooty smoke of a bonfire and the typical Ardbeg coastal salty aroma. The fried bacon impression returns in the aftertaste.

The Corryvreckan has a much more medicinal smell to it than the Uigeadail. The aroma is saline but harsher than other Ardbegs, like rocksalt and seawater. Similar sooty smoke as the Uigeadail but none of the sweet notes. A smell of canned peaches occasionally, promising something fruity hidden somewhere behind all the sea tones. Ardbeg claims butteriness, creaminess and roast chicken crisp, but while a greasy roasted aroma is present, I couldn't place it as the distillery did. The taste is really unique, the saltiest whisky I've known. The strength of the taste is difficult to anticipate. Bitterness, charred wood, fruit cocktail - a viking funeral boat loaded with goods and food heading into a whirlpool. For once the 'quirky name from local history' gimmick pays off as the product delivers exactly what the label promises. Surprisingly for such a powerful dram the aftertaste is a little hollow.

The Airigh Nam Beist greets me with the easily identifiable smell of vanilla, both a sweet sugarish aroma and a richer note more like ice cream. Sea air, pine soap, and some smoke although it's only fleeting compared to the two other expressions. The body is oily and soft like a Caol Ila, but only a wisp of smoke and very little soot or bitterness. Ardbeg claims the taste has a hint of bacon but compared to the Uigeadail I can't spot it; only delicate cream and a flowery aftertaste. An unusually subtle Ardbeg but after a few glasses I already remember why I fell in love with it in the first place and also why this expression gets so much praise from friends of the distillery.

Each of the above whiskies is on its own a fine drink worthy of praise and I shall not insult them by grading, as that would be like trying to answer the question 'which one of your kids do you love the most'. If you come across any of these three, by all means try if you haven't yet.

Detective Thompson posted:

How long with an opened bottle last before it goes south?

A week ago I finished the last three glasses of a Hakushu 18 that had been open since January, and couldn't complain at all. Still excellent. One of the folks that does Youtube reviews mentioned that the aroma of peat is the one that usually tends to mellow most as time passes so I'd guess the peatier the whisky the faster you want to finish it.

CoderCat posted:

I'm looking for a single malt Scotch that is as smoky as Black Label. I've tried Ardbeg Uigeadail and Laphroaig 10, and while both are very nice, I didn't find them as smoky. Any recommendations?
Try Caol Ila. The 12yo is very affordable. Most of Caol Ila's whisky actually is sold to JW for blending so it could be what you're smelling (can't say, haven't had black label in a long time). Caol Ila in general is excellent stuff and one would have to be a broken husk of a person not to be able to derive some enjoyment from it :)

Deleuzionist fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Nov 20, 2012

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

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Got introduced to the products of the Craigellachie distillery for the first time, a sample bottling of 12yo from 2000 by Douglas Laing and another distilled in 1993 and bottled in 2012 by Gordon & Macphail. This is a highlander so no heavy peat or smoke aromas, but rather cream and heavy malt, citrus and a little bit of sea. Not an outstanding drink but quality/price ratio is spot on. The G & M bottling is nicely aged but the cask in question appears to have been chosen conservatively, playing it safe - no particularly bold flavours to be found in it but nothing to complain about either. Squarely beats Glenfiddich & co.

renzor posted:

My friend in Portland is buying me a bottle in exchange for an ereader I'm giving her. The choice of where it comes from is totally up to me. Any recommendations? I pretty much enjoy all whiskey and am always excited to try something new.

Can you give a hint as to what the ereader cost or what would be the max price for the bottle? Would be easier to recommend something if the budget's known.

NightConqueror posted:

Well, I'm jealous. Uigeadail is a definite must buy this Christmas.
Will be a good christmas that way :)

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

we respect the antelope; for the antelope is not a mere antelope

Single malts in that price range

Mellow highlanders & speysiders: Glenkinchie 12, Glengoyne 10, Balvenie doublewood
Islay peat & smoke brigade: Laphroaig 10, Caol Ila 12, Ardbeg 10

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

we respect the antelope; for the antelope is not a mere antelope
My current set. biglads already took the fun out of this though.

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

we respect the antelope; for the antelope is not a mere antelope
A slight disappointment: The Caol Ila elements CI4 is very, very smoky, with a greasy heavily burnt character that unfortunately hovers over all the other aromas both in taste and smell. A definite step down from the previous bottling which was fantastic.

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

we respect the antelope; for the antelope is not a mere antelope
Son of a bitch. 1 liter bottles of Talisker Distillers' Edition and 57° at ridiculously low tax free prices and 'purchasing not allowed to you specifically sir because of some silly law between your departure and destination countries'. :suicide:

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

we respect the antelope; for the antelope is not a mere antelope
The courier came by:

Deleuzionist fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Jan 11, 2013

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

we respect the antelope; for the antelope is not a mere antelope
Apparently The Whisky Exchange's last or so bottle since the whisky was delisted soon after my order. Abominable price but I paid because I didn't purchase any of it earlier, having misjudged the whisky the first time I tasted it and realized my error only when it was pretty much out of stock everywhere already. Saving mine for the future too.

edit: oh TWE relisted Alligator. Sadly for everyone involved the price remains abominable.

Deleuzionist fucked around with this message at 10:49 on Jan 12, 2013

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

we respect the antelope; for the antelope is not a mere antelope

GrAviTy84 posted:

I went to a complimentary tasting for Friends of Laphroaig at the Seven Grand in LA and got to taste the entire line (10, 10 CS, QC, TW, 18, 25) and they also poured two Glenfarclases (18 and 25) to compare age statements to. My favorite for the night was most certainly the Laphroig 18. It's been 3 years now since I've had it, but I remember it being very balanced, with those medicinal briny laphroaig notes tempered with wood sweetness and it being quite velvety feeling in the mouth. Great stuff. The 25 was also fantastic but I thought for the price point, 18 was definitely the best.

Gravity got it right here. 18 has everything one could hope for while going through a glass of 10, and it lacks the overpolished feel of Triple Wood, the crass and bitter tarriness of the QC, and the ridiculous price tag of the 25. It is genuinely worth what it goes for and definitely the star of the Laphroaigh product line. What I get out of the smooth kiss that it feels like on the tongue is the familiar Laphro gauze wrap & iodine plus the smell of a sauna bath (moist, smoky wood) as well as sweet liquorice that is present way more than in the 10.


Sure Laph 25 is a nice drink but I wouldn't buy a bottle at more than $150 which is roughly half its current price.

Deleuzionist fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Jan 13, 2013

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

we respect the antelope; for the antelope is not a mere antelope

kidsafe posted:

It depends on what you mean by polish. Do you mean that coated feeling you get with most ACE'd whiskies. If so, then yes I agree. I disagree vehemently that Quarter Cask is tarry at all...instead I consider it woody, with cleaner smoke compared to the 10yr. It is also tastes crisper/minerally, perhaps due to its youth...the same goes for Triple Wood.

Over here in California, Laphroaig 18 was $90 just a year ago, now it's $120-130. So you say you wouldn't pay $150 for Laphroaig 25yr, I'd consider that an incredible deal. The only 25yr OB I can think of that comes close to $150 is Glenfarclas. Another price increase to be aware of: Talisker 18yr is $140 now instead of $80. Meh.

Also...has anybody tried Brenne?
I mean the coating and its predictability. I didn't much care for Balvenie DW I tasted a few days ago either for much the same reason. I do like the Lagavulin DE for some reason though even if it's essentially the same.

The QC is woody, yes, but the wood smells of sweat and soaked fresh board, as if a caricature of the sauna smell I mentioned earlier. Nosing it next to other Laphroaigs or a Lagavulin was not a pleasant experience to me. The tarriness is in the taste, once you swallow, the way it slowly reeks down the throat as if unduely viscous. Nosed and tasted next to other strong stuff like a young 54% Caol Ila and Ardbeg Corryvreckan it just didn't seem to have any leg to stand on. I know I'm in the minority considering the praise it gets on whiskey related sites but I've rarely been so consistently displeased with an entire bottle.

Of course $150 for Laph 25 would be an incredible deal considering the price it sells for currently, but for example compared to IB stuff of same age or older you can get from other distilleries at $150 (or €150 rather) I don't see the point of paying painful amounts for OBs unless a release of really exceptional quality comes up, and the Laph 25 is not it.

edit: I love this Signatory 13 yo Laphro I took for aperitif. A marriage of two single casks, nobody that likes the normal 10yo should be in any way disappointed. Instantly recognizable yet with a little personality too. Gonna have to try the others in this series too.

Deleuzionist fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Jan 13, 2013

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

we respect the antelope; for the antelope is not a mere antelope

dug fin posted:

To be fair, I bought two bottles at the distillery earlier this year and it was 100 even there. 125 is a drat good price given the circumstances. Going to pick up another bottle or two. Thanks for the tip!
Aa, I didn't know they asked for that much at the distillery too. I only remembered a local shop asking €100 for it a year ago, which I think was more than what it sold for at that time.

It's sad that TWE upped the price of their remaining Airigh Nam Beist from £110 to £150. I would want more of it but at that price I don't think so.

kidsafe posted:

As for Lagavulin DE, it's probably the least favorite of the ones I've tried.
Do you happen to remember the year of the DE you tried? The 1995 held up pretty favourably next to the standard 16 yo but I haven't tried the others so I've no idea about them. Talisker was praised by a friend too but unfortunately I haven't got to it yet.

Perversely enough I like the guessing game a lot, but freely admit I wouldn't play it on over $100 bottles. If I'm looking for an IB of higher than that price I tend to go for distilleries that in my opinion produce consistently good stuff such as Caol Ila. It's true that some real murky stuff does exist in the IB lineups but I've been lucky so far, and possible inability to purchase more of the same doesn't bother me much as there's always more good bottles to be found even among the relatively few distilleries that I buy consistently enough to be called a habit.

kidsafe posted:

I have two bottles myself purchased for $100/ea, but I don't know why. Based on taste and intrinsic qualities alone, it's not a whole lot more than a high ABV 10yr + a peppery kick.

That's what I got the first time I tasted Alligator and wasn't at all impressed. Gave it another go a few months ago and I was totally charmed by it: a delicious lingering aftertaste that's a bit heavier on the tongue than the Uigeadail and with much more complexity than I remembered from the first glass. It's rare for me to do such a 180 on a whisky so I figured a bottle is in order because further analysis :tinsley: is required.

Deleuzionist fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Jan 14, 2013

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

we respect the antelope; for the antelope is not a mere antelope
Opened a bottle of Corryvreckan and even through a clogged nose I can smell its beautiful complex aroma with herbs, brown sugar for sherry influence, harsh salinity at first whiff, leather and other more mature notes to temper the sherry, balanced very well and with a satisfyingly even body. This is an astonishing whisky and I regret having called it too expensive before because a bottle of this is easily worth two 10-12 year olds. Water tempers it a bit and is recommended for the experience even for those who don't make a habit of watering it. At 57% it can take several rounds of watering easily while retaining flavour, structure and character. I swear it gets smokier with more water...

No match for outlaw whiskey of course but pretty okay.

Deleuzionist fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Feb 12, 2013

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

we respect the antelope; for the antelope is not a mere antelope
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So far I've opened the Springbank, which is miles better than what I remember the 10yo being.

Tried JW Black & Blue labels earlier, comparing to a standard Dalwhinnie 15 which was a new one for me. The Dalwhinnie beat both hands down in aroma, taste and aftertaste. Most one could say of the JWs is that they're very drinkable and feel velvety going down the throat but held in the mouth a bit longer the tongue is at a loss for there is no proper bloom of flavours there, just this oily mass through which bits of different tastes painstakingly leak every now and then. The grain influence is probably what makes the aftertaste such a fleeting thing in them.

Glottis posted:

How do they compare? The Hibiki is peated, right? I love the Yamazaki.
The Hibiki 12 is an excellent blend, deliciously floral and fresh. I don't recall it as a peaty experience. The 12yo Yamazaki is oaky, rich and very highlandish but IMO it would be nice if it showed a bit more character since it doesn't seem to have any particularly unique twist in the taste or the nose that would make one definitely identify it as Japanese or a Yamazaki in a blind tasting.

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Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

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Drank a sample bottle of a 30yo Carsebridge grain. Overpowering smell of buttered popcorn, underneath a crisp fresh smell of vegetables and roots. Taste a combination of oil used to fry popcorn, cream and crispy wafer, and unshakeable impression of vegetable soup. Delicious but with a drawback - quickly vanishing aftertaste.

:ssh: had one bottle of Port Askaig 25yo before, that stuff's golden

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

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duckstab posted:

I think the mouthfeel of whisky is a really under appreciated aspect of drinking whisky, I think it's one of the most important factors for me.

Agreed. IMO the mouthfeel is the most distinctive thing about quality old whisky and there is little point in putting money into 25yo or older drams if one hasn't developed any sense of what it should feel like on the tongue and in the cheeks.

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

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Troll Bridgington posted:

I think I'm in love with the Highland Park 12... the smokier scotches are really starting to grow on me. Where should I go from here? Are the older HPs a huge step up from the 12?

HP 18 is a blast but the 21 is a bit of a letdown next to it.

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

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Rapdawg posted:

My friend for instance got in an argument with me about Johnny Walker because he heard Christopher Hitchens drank it
Maybe there's something in JW that makes you go neocon and stay neocon. Despite being a stupidly rich sack of poo poo that could down an Ardbeg 1977 per day and not even notice the annual bill, Dick Cheney's favourite drink is Johnnie Walker Red.

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

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PopZeus posted:

Okay Whisky Goons: My grandpa is a huge whisky drinker and thus my dad and I are going with him to Whisky Fest in Chicago next week as a birthday present. Now I haven't had the chance to sample as much whisky as most of you guys so the list of what is available is a little overwhelming. I'm hoping I can get some suggestions to help narrow it down!

Here is the list: http://www.whiskyfestblog.com/whiskyfest-chicago-whisky-list/

So from what I've tried, I know I like the smokier and spicier ones more so than the sweet ones (at least in my limited experience). I've greatly enjoyed the Laphroaig 10yr and the Talisker 10yr. I also really liked Buffalo Trace.

That said, I'm down to try anything that is highly recommended, especially anything weird or rare that I'm not likely to get at average liquor store.
A lot of good stuff there with the Ardbeg and Lagavulin lineups showing the heavier side of smoky whisky. If you like the 10yo Talisker then don't miss the distillers edition. Affordably delicious.

I'd also suggest trying either the Hakushu 12 or one of the Yamazakis (H for a floral, fresh character or Y for a woody, varnishy one) because those two represent the best of Japanese single malts. The other two, Miyagikou and Nikka are fine but I think H and Y have better balance.


Found a Dalwhinnie 15 at the Vilnius airport and decided to take it home. This is lovely stuff to my nose because it has the coastal lemony iodine notes I've come to love and associate with some young Bunnahabhain and Caol Ila bottles but the smoke is very subdued compared to Islay drinks. There's also a smell remniscent of flower petals, tulips perhaps.

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Jul 20, 2010

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smn posted:

I'm a huge Yoichi fan. I find the Yoichi 10 & 12 year old significantly tastier than the similar age Yamazaki and Hakushus. Same goes with the older aged ones, I'd put the 15yo Yoichi pretty much on par with the 18 old Yamazaki which I also adore. The high end Yoichis are just awesome as well and until late they've offered very good value for money.

Taste is personal as always, for me it is the robust/rugged spirit of Yoichi combined with the slight peatiness that hits my sweet spot.

Yup, to each his own. I bought a bottle of Yoichi 10 between a H12 and a Y12 and felt it was ok but didn't warrant a repurchase. I'm sad I was too late at this year's local whisky fair and all the Yoichi 20 they had for tasting was already gone. Would have liked to know if double the maturation time would have turned it into something interesting.



...hmm I'm sure I intended to write "Miyagikou and Yoichi" in my original reply, not "Miyagikou and Nikka". Oops.

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Jul 20, 2010

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Does anyone have any experience with the latest bottling of Highland Park 30 year old? I'm considering that for a birthday bottle this year, or maybe a Port Askaig 30yo CS, which is a complete shot in the dark based on the quality of the 25yo. Any other suggestions of bottlings up to around $300 are welcome. Probably won't go big but once this year so I'm looking for something that would leave a lasting impression.

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Jul 20, 2010

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duckstab posted:

I've been a bit underwhelmed by the official HP releases of late, especially the older variants, but that's just me. Do you have a website that lists some of what's available to you?
I buy mine mostly through the net since the selection especially in IBs is much wider, and the local monopolized vendor can rarely beat UK prices. http://www.thewhiskyexchange.com for example.

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

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Joining in on the Macallan diss. Based on the "meh"-iness of the glasses I've had and their ludicrous price policies I've permanently crossed the distillery off my purchase list.

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

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What I take away from that video is that perhaps I didn't appreciate my Macallan simply because I'm an uneducated boor who doesn't get the Macallan is best enjoyed MAXIMUM COOL. I stand corrected.

The ball is neat though.

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

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You folks know one thing right, the Talisker distillers' edition is delicious.

edit: Late night fight between Talisker DE and Lagavulin 1995 DE

The Talisker's nose has more of a dessert wine quality, sour sweetness, than the Lagavulin which tends toward coffee and gasoline. Yes, that essential Lagavulin smell of heavy diesel fumes is very much intact although there's a second layer of sweetness - plum and raisins - on top of the normal 16 yo's own tarry sugariness. The Talisker has a fresh edge to it that I don't recall from the 10yo, which to my nose is close or alike to raspberry jam. In mouthfeel the Lagavulin triumphs - it's not that the Talisker's mouthfeel has anything wrong with it but the Lagavulin is like velvet. Tastewise the Talisker's finish gives it exactly what I think the 10yo lacks, some character and additional flavour. The 10yo is a good whisky but I've always thought its palate is fairly simple and could use a little something. Turns out the distiller's choice of amoroso cask is a perfect compliment to the distillery's style. The Lagavulin's finish gives it cinnamon, cardamom and coffee with plum juice sweetness.
I like these both quite a lot and in the case of the Talisker I think I'll be buying the DE exclusively instead of the 10yo from now on.

I'm disappointed the Highland Park Loki isn't figurative or literal piss. That would've been the true spirit of Loki.

Deleuzionist fucked around with this message at 22:55 on May 1, 2013

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Jul 20, 2010

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NightConqueror posted:

EDIT: Also, looks like Laphroaig is changing their packaging. I liked the less-clean look of the old bottles.
Me too. I also preferred Talisker's previous packaging to their current one. The monocolour ultramarine box with an Isle of Skye emboss had more charm than the current one with pictures of waves and poo poo which is very Bruichladdich-y.

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

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The new Talisker Storm is a dram of pepper and beer with a bit of liquorice. Recognizably pungent Talisker peat, some faint coastal vibes (kinda non-saline for a storm), remnants of the Talisker 10 sweetness. IIRC the 10yo has a deeper colour, this is somewhere between maize and gold. Sootball mouthfeel, as if the Talisker peat had decided to materialize here and rake the tongue while passing. Worth the price it retails for but I'm not certain the addition to the product line was entirely necessary.

edit: one hour later and even though I forgot which glass I put where it is obvious like night and day which empty glass had Storm and which Talisker DE.

Caol Ila 25 vs. Port Askaig 25


Lighting conditions and crappy camera made it a moot point to try and capture the colour difference which was minimal, both tending to sunglow.

Two Caol Ilas separated by branding, some 2% alc. vol. and €57,40. In this case there can only be one. Which one?

The PA's nose is much closer to what I'd expect from a Caol Ila, greasy smoke and sea with lime on top. The distillery's own is more hayish, like fresh cut grass, dry hay, and lemon. Very little smoke here, some peat but subdued. If I hadn't ordered the bottle of Moch that's here for a workmate I'd be tempted to crack it open just now to sample its peat vs the distillery 25's. Why? The Moch's tasting notes on Master of Malt: "Lemon sherbet and apple crumble topping with custard. Dry grass and not a hint of smoke." Familiar? There's something else in the distillery bottle too, cumin? Like fresh ginger & soap. Both are really frisky and fresh for something this old. They don't really smell young at all, but I can't find any leather, tobacco or their associates in either bottling.

PA is royal velvet in the mouth (stellar watering job done here), with a taste that starts as charred, sooty and strong but surprisingly develops into absolutely delicious blackcurrant wash. The turn into berry juice territory is for me unexpected but the very reason I love this bottling: just when I think I've had a pretty good Caol Ila, holding it in my mouth a moment longer takes the whole experience up a level. With the distillery's own we're into entirely different waters. Here the peat does show, but so does a fruit candy flavour like winegums(more synthetic here than the wild berry of the PA). The finish sticks to the walls of the mouth, feels like something really bitter but taste is full, phenoly. The aftertaste loses the fruit candy notes and turns into lemon, soot and iodine (almost xylitol).

Liberal addition of water later the distillery's own tones down on the soap notes in favour of sour cream. Artificial lemon still present, smoke somewhat amplified. The water smooths the way the dram clings to the mouth and the tongue but this is still not as smooth as the PA was out of the bottle. Good this is, no doubt about that, but +€57,40 good? No.

There can only be one and it is the Port Askaig.

Deleuzionist fucked around with this message at 11:38 on May 7, 2013

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Jul 20, 2010

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The Springbank 18 don't sit right with me. It's not a bad whisky but kind of subdued and a little bland for a bottle of that price. The sulphur-burnt match-sandstone smells also mask the rest of the nose too much for my tastes, and the smell left in an empty glass can be best described as sandy. I still like this more than I recall liking the 10yo when I tasted it but I'd still expect a little more show from it.

I gave a glass to a friend who likes the SB 10 and 15, and he was equally unimpressed. Maybe save your buck and get one of the younger ones if you're considering looking into this distillery.

Deleuzionist fucked around with this message at 03:08 on May 9, 2013

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