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ogopogo posted:Kale and sausage with Calabrian chili aioli Quoting these so they can be admired on a second page. You always get such perfect crusts and those are ace ingredient combinations.
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Mar 26, 2021 13:21
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StarkingBarfish posted:Quoting these so they can be admired on a second page. You always get such perfect crusts and those are ace ingredient combinations. Cheers dude! We've been working hard to dial in our consistency and bake, really loving the results so far. We ran two specials this last weekend, one from the vaults and a new one from our chef. The Last Action Gyro Garlic oil, mozz, feta, red onion, and gyro meat, topped with fresh tzatziki, red onion, dill, and parsley  The Pea Shooter Garlic oil and mozz, topped with cold fresh burrata, peas, pea pesto, pea shoots, mint, and lemon zest 
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Mar 29, 2021 13:44
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ogopogo posted:Cheers dude! We've been working hard to dial in our consistency and bake, really loving the results so far. would, both do you guys toss?
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Mar 29, 2021 13:56
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mediaphage posted:would, both Depends on if you buy me a cocktail or not! Ahh but for real, we generally don't toss our doughs open, it's more a traditional Neapolitan style bench open, with some final hand stretching in the air before laying down the opened skin for topping. With the sourdough especially we are already at the maximum thinness and strength for the dough, so tossing just leads to rips and tears.
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Mar 29, 2021 15:09
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My pizzas always come out very "rustic" in shape, but I haven't found a good video on shaping on YouTube that is actually informative or tolerable. Surface seems to make I big difference as well, I am normally using a floured quartz worktop but I did see someone use baking paper?!
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Mar 29, 2021 16:22
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ogopogo posted:Depends on if you buy me a cocktail or not!  that's cool, i've gotten reasonably good at shaping for someone that only makes home levels of pizza, lol, but haven't really tried tossing before, so i wondered.
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Mar 29, 2021 17:36
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It's a lot easier to get something more circular if you're hand stretching it than if you use a roller. You can get there with a roller with a lot of practice but you're going to either: 1. Have to master rolling in a lot of different directions in positions. 2. Master rolling in one direction and turning the dough each time to stay uniform. I've just found stretch it by hand makes it easier to turn the dough and apply a uniform effect. I still use a roller at points to touch up on stuff. This makes me a horrible human being but I don't really care.
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Mar 29, 2021 17:45
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:I've just found stretch it by hand makes it easier to turn the dough and apply a uniform effect. I still use a roller at points to touch up on stuff. This makes me a horrible human being but I don't really care. This is what I do as well.
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Mar 29, 2021 18:08
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Finally moved into an apartment with a real oven and decided to make pizza for the first time in like two years: Chorizo, mushroom and capsicum using the Peter Reinhardt neo-neopolitan dough recipe. My pizza stone cracked down the middle while it was preheating  but it still kind of worked: Time to get a baking steel!
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Mar 30, 2021 23:06
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ogopogo posted:Cheers dude! We've been working hard to dial in our consistency and bake, really loving the results so far. Love the naming. Tip: when having friends over (remember that, in The Before Times) for pizza, do the hard work but let each friend design and, most importantly, name a pizza. Leng posted:Time to get a baking steel! Amen, will likely outlast you.
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Mar 31, 2021 06:57
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My friend has some steel and a laser cutter, but I don't really understand what the advantage of the steel is over my current stone, and can it be normal steel or does it need to be specific alloys? I use my stone for breads more than pizzas if that makes a difference.
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Mar 31, 2021 18:47
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I think normal steel is fine but the thickness is the critical part. How thick is his steel?
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Mar 31, 2021 19:04
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Steel won't crack in your oven and transfers heat a little differently than a stone. Normal steel is fine, just clean all the bullshit off it if it's been sitting in a shop/garage. You'll need to season it so the food will be touching that seasoned surface.
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Mar 31, 2021 19:05
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CancerCakes posted:My friend has some steel and a laser cutter, but I don't really understand what the advantage of the steel is over my current stone, and can it be normal steel or does it need to be specific alloys? Will your friend let us borrow his laser cutter for uh...experiments in pizza science? How fast can one of those bad boys cut a pizza into the shape of my logo, I wonder.
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Mar 31, 2021 19:25
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CancerCakes posted:My friend has some steel and a laser cutter, but I don't really understand what the advantage of the steel is over my current stone, and can it be normal steel or does it need to be specific alloys? Steel essentially both stores way more heat, and moves that heat from itself in to a lump of dough you put on top of it much much faster than a stone does. You might be able to touch a hot stone for a half second without getting burned, but touching a 500 degree steel will almost certainly leave you blistered. I would suggest a 3/8" thick piece, as anything over that will rapidly grow far too unwieldly to deal with and not offer a lot of benefit if you aren't doing many pies back to back to back. I've used mine for breads, too- It is killer at imitating a tandoor for naan, or making pita breads puff up wonderfully:     In general the rule of thumb for the steel is just, anything you cook on it, with parchment or no, will end up a good bit more crisp on the bottom than it would otherwise using just a sheet pan.
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Mar 31, 2021 20:18
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baking steel absolutely owns and I like mine more than a lot of my other kitchen tools. absolutely worth every penny.
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Mar 31, 2021 21:27
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BraveUlysses posted:baking steel absolutely owns and I like mine more than a lot of my other kitchen tools. absolutely worth every penny. If you have a gas cooktop it's fantastic for doing pancakes and home made tortillas too.
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Mar 31, 2021 22:16
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You can make 4 grilled cheeses on it at the same time
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Mar 31, 2021 22:21
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If you have never smashburged on a steel, it is the most perfect possible surface for it
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Mar 31, 2021 23:56
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Gwaihir posted:If you have never smashburged on a steel, it is the most perfect possible surface for it 
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Apr 1, 2021 00:05
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Awesome, I've been thinking about getting a griddle plate and it seems like this will fulfill that function as well. I will discuss it with him and report back if I go ahead!
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Apr 1, 2021 00:12
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I use my steel for pizza, pancakes, cheesesteaks, and quesadillas. It is a true utility tool.
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Apr 1, 2021 00:19
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I'm looking for experiences in cold fermenting dough. I used to do that a decade ago without really thinking about it; it was just a lazy pizza prep thing I could do. I think it's been a missing step in my process and I'm trying to catch up on it.Gwaihir posted:If you have never smashburged on a steel, it is the most perfect possible surface for it I got a rectangular one for the grill and a round one for my outdoor burner. I do an even mix of smashburgers and hash browns on it. A problem I've found is that it like to warp once heated up and I've cooked on it a bit. I think it has to do with the temperature differences. However, it really makes a mess. I'd like to have the sides bent to try to get some reinforcement but haven't figured out where I could go to get a lip like that. I'd also need to order a new steel for it. It might also just be cheaper to get the purpose-built ones.
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Apr 1, 2021 06:48
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I cold ferment 100% of my dough. I mix up a batch of dough in my stand mixer, weight it out into portions, and toss them in the fridge immediately without letting it rise. I put a healthy amount of olive oil in the containers to keep it from drying out as it rises. It tastes best after about 2 or 3 days but I use it for up to a week or so. Towards the end the structure breaks down and it becomes more difficult to stretch, but it still works and tastes pretty good.Rocko Bonaparte posted:A problem I've found is that it like to warp once heated up and I've cooked on it a bit. I think it has to do with the temperature differences. However, it really makes a mess. I'd like to have the sides bent to try to get some reinforcement but haven't figured out where I could go to get a lip like that. I'd also need to order a new steel for it. It might also just be cheaper to get the purpose-built ones. Just get a carbon steel pan instead of looking for a lipped steel imo. the flat steel is good to put on a grill or even a firepit where grease dripping isn't as big a deal
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Apr 1, 2021 06:57
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PokeJoe posted:I cold ferment 100% of my dough. I mix up a batch of dough in my stand mixer, weight it out into portions, and toss them in the fridge immediately without letting it rise. I put a healthy amount of olive oil in the containers to keep it from drying out as it rises. It tastes best after about 2 or 3 days but I use it for up to a week or so. Towards the end the structure breaks down and it becomes more difficult to stretch, but it still works and tastes pretty good. pretty much this and generally use less yeast i don’t get how oil in a sealed container does anything about keeping a dough from “drying out”, though
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Apr 1, 2021 08:22
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Because sometimes they rise enough that the pressure inside pops the lid off
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Apr 1, 2021 08:34
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I put my pizza steel on my outdoor propane burner for smash burgs. Keeps the fat and smoke outside, make the burgs perfectly. fake edit: fat will drip off the sides so put something down or make peace with it.
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Apr 1, 2021 13:34
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Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:I put my pizza steel on my outdoor propane burner for smash burgs. Keeps the fat and smoke outside, make the burgs perfectly. I have one with a groove “to catch” the oil, but it’s not big enough when you’re making burgers. So you’ll be making a mess regardless, as there’s no where else for the grease to go. It’s a nice thick heavy rectangle though, and worth the mess into the grill.
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Apr 1, 2021 14:10
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PokeJoe posted:I cold ferment 100% of my dough. I mix up a batch of dough in my stand mixer, weight it out into portions, and toss them in the fridge immediately without letting it rise. I put a healthy amount of olive oil in the containers to keep it from drying out as it rises. It tastes best after about 2 or 3 days but I use it for up to a week or so. Towards the end the structure breaks down and it becomes more difficult to stretch, but it still works and tastes pretty good. I know when I'm working with colder dough in general that it is really stubborn to stretch out. So when I cut off a portion and try to get the original round shape, I've also made it too tough to work for bit and I have to rest it. quote:Just get a carbon steel pan instead of looking for a lipped steel imo. the flat steel is good to put on a grill or even a firepit where grease dripping isn't as big a deal I guess I should have emphasized that I was using that on a grill in the first place. Ordering a steel cut for that was convenient since I could have it fit perfectly on one half of the grilling surface.
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Apr 1, 2021 14:23
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PokeJoe posted:Because sometimes they rise enough that the pressure inside pops the lid off put them in a larger container then? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Apr 1, 2021 19:30
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when i do kenji's ny pizza recipe, i split the dough into 4 globs and put into quart reditainers, they dont expand enough to pop the lid.
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Apr 1, 2021 19:56
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I had a bad surprise trying to integrate some olive oil into cold fermented dough. In the past when I've had to do add fat after kneading, I've just done a little more kneading in the mixer with the fat. Heck, I have seen some enriched bread recipes where they prefer it added after-the-fact. They believe the fat impedes activating the gluten and want the dough kneaded separately first. This dough was cold so it didn't take in the oil. When it came time for me to break off dough (since I was working off a lump like I usually do as posted before), I couldn't tuck in the bits I tore off. Normally I pull the dough into itself to make a ball where all those little imperfections get tucked inside of it. The oil kept the dough from sticking to itself so this never happened. The dough tasted good and all, but I couldn't, say, grab more dough to make a larger ball because I couldn't get the pieces to stick to each other. I couldn't really hand pull because the dough ball was so uneven that it would split open at points before the rest of it was fully stretched. It would stick to the peel when getting put into the oven and also while turning it; the imperfections on the underside of the pizza would physically catch on the peel while turning. I had been using oil based on Kenji's recipe--which doesn't cold ferment--because I have liked how it handled in the past when I mixed it in. However, I read some stuff advising against adding the oil for the cold ferment. I'm inclined to just go back to a lean dough but wondered if anybody here uses some fat and also cold ferments the dough too. Also, my wife didn't get much of the flavor of the dough. Since I'm making my own sauce now, I can reduce the salt there. This gives me an opportunity to finally increase it in the dough. Awhile back, I tried 3% and it was no good with everything else we were doing. Does it really help with the bread's flavor?
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Apr 5, 2021 03:14
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:I had a bad surprise trying to integrate some olive oil into cold fermented dough. In the past when I've had to do add fat after kneading, I've just done a little more kneading in the mixer with the fat. Heck, I have seen some enriched bread recipes where they prefer it added after-the-fact. They believe the fat impedes activating the gluten and want the dough kneaded separately first. interesting, i've never added oil into a long ferment dough like that but i imagine (as you've probably figured out) that it would be best to do it with a room temp or warm dough and fold it in over the course of an hour. in what way did you find the saltier pizza no good? 3% is sort of my go-to for most bread stuff but it is on the higher end of some preferences.
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Apr 5, 2021 03:32
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mediaphage posted:in what way did you find the saltier pizza no good? 3% is sort of my go-to for most bread stuff but it is on the higher end of some preferences.
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Apr 5, 2021 04:59
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:At the time, we were using supermarket pizza sauces, which tend top pack some salt. Spread that on a 3% salt dough and you can feel yourself turning into a mummy. I find this too- it's personal preference but after eating a pie with 3% salt I find myself getting up to drink water in the middle of the night. For my recipe about 2.5% is enough to not mess much with the fermentation and still give the dough a good flavour. Any less and it begins to get a bit bland.
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Apr 5, 2021 08:58
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Gwaihir posted:Steel essentially both stores way more heat, and moves that heat from itself in to a lump of dough you put on top of it much much faster than a stone does. You might be able to touch a hot stone for a half second without getting burned, but touching a 500 degree steel will almost certainly leave you blistered. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhxEqB_PsxY Recently got into making pitta bread, this was one of the first attempts. I just make the dough in the stand mixer and then keep it in the fridge til I need it, super easy. The same dough works if we want pizza, too. bonus easter bread
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Apr 5, 2021 19:55
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So I got a steel (quarter inch thick) - it works fine but not sure it’s doing much beyond the stones that I have already. Our oven only goes to 500 and has a top broiler. Pizza quality is good but the steel doesn’t seem to be improving much. Steel not thick enough? Or oven just not hot enough for it to make an impact?
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Apr 6, 2021 03:40
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IMO it makes a huge difference if you do multiple pizzas in a row But it also needs to thoroughly heat soak before using
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Yeah i need to preheat for like 75-90 mins if I'm using my steel. Especially if I'm using it as a top-down heat deflector.
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