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HalloKitty
Sep 30, 2005

Adjust the bass and let the Alpine blast


Toe Rag posted:

I want to vomit.

Oh dear, I've seen patch panels that require a much stronger stomach than that one

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IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





HalloKitty posted:

Oh dear, I've seen patch panels that require a much stronger stomach than that one

You haven't truly died inside until you've seen an entire row of full cabinets that can't even have the doors closed thanks to bad cabling.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006


IOwnCalculus posted:

You haven't truly died inside until you've seen an entire row of full cabinets that can't even have the doors closed thanks to bad cabling.

Protip take the doors off

HalloKitty
Sep 30, 2005

Adjust the bass and let the Alpine blast


IOwnCalculus posted:

You haven't truly died inside until you've seen an entire row of full cabinets that can't even have the doors closed thanks to bad cabling.

Nothing like mostly empty cable trays above the cabs with cables dangling across the front

Nothing as permanent as a temporary solution that works!

Bonus if you can find some hideously contorted fibre, and switches that can't actually be seen for all the mess

HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Feb 15, 2021

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005


Congrats on the new thread title!

Toe Rag
Aug 29, 2005



Honestly cabling is pretty easy. I used to do it all the time, but I can't find any good pictures. Just run your cables longest to shortest, don't run any cable through another's slack, and never cross cables. It's even better if you split your panel at the middle.

These used to look good when I was the only one touching them



This is unfortunately what too many things look like



Power should always look good ... there's no excuse.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002
I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!

The difference in cabling is whether you got paid to fix an issue or require the rack properly.

unknown
Nov 16, 2002
Ain't got no stinking title yet!




The protip on network cabling is figure out what to do with the excess cable length or have custom length made cables each time.

Sniep
Mar 28, 2004

All I needed was that fatty blunt...



King of Breakfast


Fun Shoe

at least i have the parts to patch my poo poo down properly and clean it up, i just havent expended the effort to yet (nor the desire to shut the whole house down of internet while i do so and uh this is a "multiple streaming household"


fiber just on the fuckin raised floor in the dirt and dust

unknown posted:

The protip on network cabling is figure out what to do with the excess cable length or have custom length made cables each time.

yeah since i just had all this cat6 installed in my house i asked the guy to leave me 20 extra feet in the garage... so like in the pic, there's some bundling going on until it hits the rack... Gonna give myself like a 2 foot service loop of spare cable in a circle then into the cabinet and cut to fit to terminate into patch panels, then do all patches from then on with cable management

just need to uh do it

unknown
Nov 16, 2002
Ain't got no stinking title yet!




Installed cabling is a given (loop extra in ceiling, etc) because that's the definition of custom length.

I meant cables within a rack. Almost no one keeps a complete set of different lengths in like 1ft increments. So what happens to the excess when a 10ft patch is used for a 7ft run.

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





H110Hawk posted:

Protip take the doors off

They never did, but someone in management was finally convinced to spend the very significant manhours needed to unfuck it. It's still not pretty but at least everything closes.


HalloKitty posted:

Nothing like mostly empty cable trays above the cabs with cables dangling across the front

Nothing as permanent as a temporary solution that works!

Bonus if you can find some hideously contorted fibre, and switches that can't actually be seen for all the mess

Yep, it had all of this going on. It was the result of countless people, none of whom could ever be assed to think 'big picture', going in and just hooking up whatever cable they had wherever it needed to go to make the link lights come on. The other part of why this made me die a bit inside is that we actually had a team of people whose job it was just to do cabling, and they would do beautiful custom-terminated cables where everything is labeled on both ends and it all just flows neatly from switch to switch.

Apparently nobody ever thought to have them involved.

obi_ant
Apr 8, 2005



I need a longer fiber cable for my internet, but I can't seem to find one that matches what I currently have. It sort of looks like this...



This looks to be the closest thing, but is it the correct one? I'm not too sure waht SC/APC means. I called the internet provider (Sonic) and just told me it was a fiber cable. They would need a tech to come out to look at the wire...

KS
Jun 10, 2003


Outrageous Lumpwad

Green APC cables vs blue UPC cables have to do with the end face of the fiber and you'll want to match the existing. SC refers to the physical connector footprint and LC is the other major connector.

That cable looks the same as yours, but you'll want to check the other end if you haven't as it could be different.

Sneeze Party
Apr 26, 2002

These are, by far, the most brilliant photographs that I have ever seen, and you are a GOD AMONG MEN.

Toilet Rascal

Looking to buy a new router to better handle my new 500/500 internet. Currently I have a TP-Link AC1750 v2, and it doesn't want to give me more than 100mbps, both wired and wireless. Any recommendations? I'm thinking about doing something MicroTik, but they're a little intimidating. I just want something that's not going to need to be reset every couple of days because the speeds suddenly drop for some reason. Something reliable, with wireless, obviously. The MicroTik AC3 looks cool, but I can't find it anywhere.

I don't want to just use the modem that came with my internet because the wifi signal isn't great, and it's not near the majority of my other networked stuff (NAS, a switch, etc).

Any suggestions? The TP-Link AC1800 looks alright, but some user reviews make it sound like it has some QA problems or something. I dunno.

Sneeze Party fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Feb 16, 2021

thiazi
Sep 27, 2002


Sneeze Party posted:

Looking to buy a new router to better handle my new 500/500 internet. Currently I have a TP-Link AC1750 v2, and it doesn't want to give me more than 100mbps, both wired and wireless. Any recommendations? I'm thinking about doing something MicroTik, but they're a little intimidating. I just want something that's not going to need to be reset every couple of days because. Something reliable, with wireless, obviously.

I don't want to just use the modem that came with my internet because the wifi signal isn't great, and it's not near the majority of my other networked stuff (NAS, a switch, etc).

Any suggestions? The TP-Link AC1800 looks alright, but some user reviews make it sound like it has some QA problems or something. I dunno.

It shouldnít be limiting you to 100 on wired. That implies you have low link speed either due to the cable you are using or you client system having an old NIC. Because the wireless is acting the same, Iíd check the cable from your modem to your router first.

Sneeze Party
Apr 26, 2002

These are, by far, the most brilliant photographs that I have ever seen, and you are a GOD AMONG MEN.

Toilet Rascal

thiazi posted:

It shouldnít be limiting you to 100 on wired. That implies you have low link speed either due to the cable you are using or you client system having an old NIC. Because the wireless is acting the same, Iíd check the cable from your modem to your router first.
That's something that I've done already, but it didn't make a difference. I've read that some copies of this router have this problem.

Actuarial Fables
Jul 29, 2014



Taco Defender

I second doing a little more troubleshooting before buying a new router. Have you tried connecting a PC directly to your modem to make sure (you're getting|the modem can handle) the advertised 500/500? What modem is it?

thiazi
Sep 27, 2002


Sneeze Party posted:

That's something that I've done already, but it didn't make a difference. I've read that some copies of this router have this problem.

Does it only do that on internet traffic, or also the LAN? Have you tested transfer speeds between your NAS and a client and still only getting 100 on the LAN?

Sneeze Party
Apr 26, 2002

These are, by far, the most brilliant photographs that I have ever seen, and you are a GOD AMONG MEN.

Toilet Rascal

I do appreciate the troubleshooting steps, but yes, I have tried all of that. I've never been able to get speeds through the router greater than 100mbps on any port, even on the LAN.

thiazi
Sep 27, 2002


Sneeze Party posted:

I do appreciate the troubleshooting steps, but yes, I have tried all of that. I've never been able to get speeds through the router greater than 100mbps on any port, even on the LAN.

Thread favorites are Ubiquiti for something ďbetterĒ than the asus/tplink/netgear things, you could go with UDM or separate router and WAP, but that would be on the level of Mikrotik complexity I think. If you want to do mesh, thereís tons of options but google wifi, Orbi and Eero are used by a lot of people in here.

obi_ant
Apr 8, 2005



KS posted:

Green APC cables vs blue UPC cables have to do with the end face of the fiber and you'll want to match the existing. SC refers to the physical connector footprint and LC is the other major connector.

That cable looks the same as yours, but you'll want to check the other end if you haven't as it could be different.

Got it. So pick green and make sure the end connectors are the same. Thanks!

KKKLIP ART
Sep 3, 2004



Sneeze Party posted:

I do appreciate the troubleshooting steps, but yes, I have tried all of that. I've never been able to get speeds through the router greater than 100mbps on any port, even on the LAN.

Have you talked to your ISP because if you are getting 100 on everything including directly into your modem doesnít sound like a router issue.

Sneeze Party
Apr 26, 2002

These are, by far, the most brilliant photographs that I have ever seen, and you are a GOD AMONG MEN.

Toilet Rascal

Directly to my router, I get 100. Directly to my modem, I get about 480. Sorry for the confusion.

KKKLIP ART
Sep 3, 2004



Well right now you could do a Ubiquiti Dream Machine, which has good wifi built into it and should be plenty fast for what you need. If you want two divices to give you some flexibility for what you upgrade in the future, some flavor of edgerouter and something like a Nano HD or a Unifi 6 Lite wireless would be good options. If you want like, all the beef, the Dream Machine Pro and one of those wireless access points would be very good.

If you go with an external wireless access point, keep in mind that you need a power over ethernet injector for any of the options above. Not really a big deal, just takes up an extra plug. They do make networking equipment with power over ethernet built in, but uh, how much you wanna spend because we can fill a budget.

KKKLIP ART fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Feb 17, 2021

Evis
Feb 27, 2007
Flying Spaghetti Monster



Sneeze Party posted:

Directly to my router, I get 100. Directly to my modem, I get about 480. Sorry for the confusion.

Dropping to 100 sounds like bad cable or connector, because partial cable failure results in 1000mb Ethernet dropping to 100mb.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006


obi_ant posted:

Got it. So pick green and make sure the end connectors are the same. Thanks!

You will also need a SC/SC coupler. the cable itself is male to male.

Actuarial Fables
Jul 29, 2014



Taco Defender

Evis posted:

Dropping to 100 sounds like bad cable or connector, because partial cable failure results in 1000mb Ethernet dropping to 100mb.

Searching around, it does seem like others have had this issue with this model of router.

Sneeze Party, do you have a budget in mind?

Sneeze Party
Apr 26, 2002

These are, by far, the most brilliant photographs that I have ever seen, and you are a GOD AMONG MEN.

Toilet Rascal

Actuarial Fables posted:

Searching around, it does seem like others have had this issue with this model of router.

Sneeze Party, do you have a budget in mind?
Less than 150. Mesh router systems aren't really my jam. At this point I'm leaning toward another TP Link, like the AX20 or whatever. But a fancier solution would be fun to play with. The MicroTik stuff looks rad but it is a little intimidating. One feature I'd love would be the ability to OpenVPN some ports but not others.

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





Speaking of Ubiquiti access points, just saw this video today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebrmfLDe1eQ

I would have liked to have seen some more client-by-client statistics, but overall it seems like there's very little reason to pick anything but the Unifi 6 Lite.

Cyks
Mar 17, 2008


IOwnCalculus posted:

Speaking of Ubiquiti access points, just saw this video today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebrmfLDe1eQ

I would have liked to have seen some more client-by-client statistics, but overall it seems like there's very little reason to pick anything but the Unifi 6 Lite.

In the comments he says he set the wifi 6 APs to 80mhz channel widths and left the others to 40...I normally like his channel but that's just stupid.

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





Cyks posted:

In the comments he says he set the wifi 6 APs to 80mhz channel widths and left the others to 40...I normally like his channel but that's just stupid.

Yeesh. I doubt it would make enough of a difference to make the UAP-AC-PRO not be behind the Unifi6 but that's just sloppy.

Cyks
Mar 17, 2008


IOwnCalculus posted:

Yeesh. I doubt it would make enough of a difference to make the UAP-AC-PRO not be behind the Unifi6 but that's just sloppy.

Hard to say. The unifi6 has a maximum data rate of 1201Mbps using two spatial streams when using 1024-QAM and the Pro 1300Mbps using three at 256-QAM. But he intentionally crippled it to 600, and I don't recall any details about the testing equipment or testing at different ranges.

I do agree that the U6-Lite is the better recommendation for your average home user considering cost and performance but it's a bad video.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade




Yeah that video would work better as an article, and it's irritating that he doesn't list other stuff like equipment used, NICs and chipsets, what OSes, was it done in his condo with five million other WANs polluting the air or in a shack away from civilization.. it's all "just take my word for it" lazy generalized bullshit.

obi_ant
Apr 8, 2005



H110Hawk posted:

You will also need a SC/SC coupler. the cable itself is male to male.

Here is a picture of the cable that I currently have at home, both ends are the same.


It looks almost exactly the same as 10M SC/APC connector here. In the first picture I can't see the end because the picture is so washed out, and the third picture has what I assume is a protective cap on it?

Would I still need a the coupler? They have a SC/SC here but the color isn't green. According to KC the the SC refers to the connector in the front?

Sorry, I just confused the hell out of myself.

bolind
Jun 19, 2005




Pillbug

I did the EdgeRouter web UI letís encrypt very thingie and it worked a charm!

I know itís spergy as gently caress but invalid certs really bug me.

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





Binary Badger posted:

Yeah that video would work better as an article, and it's irritating that he doesn't list other stuff like equipment used, NICs and chipsets, what OSes, was it done in his condo with five million other WANs polluting the air or in a shack away from civilization.. it's all "just take my word for it" lazy generalized bullshit.

He does hit on the configurations of the end nodes but it's pretty much downhill from there.


bolind posted:

I did the EdgeRouter web UI let’s encrypt very thingie and it worked a charm!

I know it’s spergy as gently caress but invalid certs really bug me.

It's not, especially with how modern browsers make you jump through hoops to deal with this poo poo even in RFC 1918 space. I need to deal with this on my Unifi controller still.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006


obi_ant posted:

Here is a picture of the cable that I currently have at home, both ends are the same.

Sorry, I just confused the hell out of myself.

https://www.amazon.com/Fiber-Adapter-Coupler-Simplex-Singlemode/dp/B005NXQN28

The little white protruding part that's sorta domed off in your picture is where the light comes out. Do not look into that while it's emitting, such as if your ISP has it on. When you get your jumper cable if you look VERY closely before you plug it in you can probably see a pinhole - that's where the light comes out. The fiber itself is as thin as your hair. Everything else is protection. Don't touch it, it should have a little cap on it, but that's almost certainly hosed off into oblivion.

The third picture in your amazon link shows the coupler in action. What matters to you are the specs, everything else is marketing bullshit.

PRODUCT DETAILS - Connectors are SCAPC to SCAPC SM SX, Mode: 9/125μm. Wavelength: 1310nm to 1550nm. Jacket Material: PVC (default)/LSZH/OFNP. Jacket Color: Yellow. OD: standards 2.0/3.0 (default)/0.9/3.0mm

So they are: SC with APC polish on both sides, "SM" - single mode, 9/125 (standard single mode,), supports wavelengths between 1310nm-1550nm (standard single mode wavelengths), Jacket is made out of PVC and is plenum rated / won't choke you to death if it burns. It's yellow, it could be pink or any other color it doesn't matter. Outer diameter also doesn't matter.

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007




Grimey Drawer

The wifi situation in my Townhouse is doing my head in.

Iíve decided to just drill a hole from the office to the bedroom and run a second wifi router in the bedroom.

I donít know what is in the single wall that blocks the signal (the place is in CA so itís not a block wall) but if I walk from the doorway to the corner of the room (maybe 10 ft) my signal drops like a rock. Itís pretty insane. Itís not even a big place!

Iíve moved the wifi router to every possible spot in the office with 0 change.

I think eventually Iím going to have to use a power line and do the same thing for the downstairs because the signal also suffers when Iím in the kitchen.

Itís one wall!

KS
Jun 10, 2003


Outrageous Lumpwad

obi_ant posted:

Would I still need a the coupler?

You need a coupler if you're trying to extend the existing cable rather than pull a longer one through to replace that.

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KKKLIP ART
Sep 3, 2004



You may not want a second router unless that router can be turned into strictly an access point or have the routin abilities turned off. You run into some fun problems having a router behind another router.

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