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Dogen
May 5, 2002

Bury my body down by the highwayside, so that my old evil spirit can get a Greyhound bus and ride


Your non Ethernet options are good mesh (as you suggest), moca, and powerline.

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movax
Aug 30, 2008



PageMaster posted:

I just moved into a 2400sf two story house that's not wired. My last two homes had ethernet in each room, and I ran a router with satellites (like unifi) to cover each floor. I'd like to not install ethernet right now, but the last time I had a single wireless router was maybe 8 years ago and at the time (and maybe still today) expectation for covering two floors was pretty unrealistic (and I was in a 1200sf home). Has tech improved in any way to make a router viable for this type of coverage, or even a mesh kit with satellites and dedicated backhaul? We stream 4k and play games, but don't need guaranteed ghz speeds, just want solid connection and coverage at playable pings.

Other online forums seem pretty zealous that ' you must install ethernet at all costs or else,' but I'm hoping that's not the only way to survive until we save up some money for renovations.

Is there coax? MoCA is solid.

PageMaster
Nov 4, 2009


movax posted:

Is there coax? MoCA is solid.

I didn't even know this was a thing, but unfortunately just the one coax where the service comes into the house.

Edit: was wrong, there's a male coax cable in the den, but a female coax connection on the second floor, so this might be good. Do I just need to buy MoCaA adaptors, connect on both ends, and I'm good to go? Will both ends automatically connect too each other or of it more complicated than that? Assuming I put the male cable into the router for the internet, can I use that same cable or do I need to find another coax outlet to run the ethernet from the router into?

PageMaster fucked around with this message at 05:02 on May 6, 2021

Dogen
May 5, 2002

Bury my body down by the highwayside, so that my old evil spirit can get a Greyhound bus and ride


You can use the same cable, you need a splitter to do so, and you need to put a filter on the demarc if there isnít one. The adapters are plug and play pretty much

Zorak of Michigan
Jun 10, 2006

Waiting for his chance

PageMaster posted:

I just moved into a 2400sf two story house that's not wired. My last two homes had ethernet in each room, and I ran a router with satellites (like unifi) to cover each floor. I'd like to not install ethernet right now, but the last time I had a single wireless router was maybe 8 years ago and at the time (and maybe still today) expectation for covering two floors was pretty unrealistic (and I was in a 1200sf home). Has tech improved in any way to make a router viable for this type of coverage, or even a mesh kit with satellites and dedicated backhaul? We stream 4k and play games, but don't need guaranteed ghz speeds, just want solid connection and coverage at playable pings.

Other online forums seem pretty zealous that ' you must install ethernet at all costs or else,' but I'm hoping that's not the only way to survive until we save up some money for renovations.

For what it's worth, our house is only a little smaller, and a Ubiquiti AP mounted on a first floor ceiling or more or less the exact center of the house gives us strong connections throughout the structure and out into the yard.

Hexigrammus
May 22, 2006

Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.


Hello Thread. My WRT54GL running DD-WRT is throwing some weird connections problems. Mainly an issue for my wife's Apple devices, but unfortunately it's also started affecting my Linux laptop.

Aging OP posted:

I donít want / use Apple devices. Is the WRT54GL still the suggested router?

Oh, jeez, no. Throw that poo poo in the river.

Only if I can use it for sturgeon bait, but yes, I guess it's time. I've used Ubiquiti equipment in the past, the interface can be a bit crappy but otherwise...

SwissArmyDruid posted:

I used to like Ubiquiti. But then the top-end engineering talent left, and the marketing ghouls took over, and now they want to be the Apple of prosumer network hardware, where they know what's best for you, no, you don't have any options except to use the cloud.

I would like to stress that this is a very recent turnaround for Ubiquiti. From 2015 up until April of last year, I would have kept buying Ubiquiti hardware, but the news involving them over the past year has soured me considerably.

... well, poo poo. Nope, nope, and nope.

House is wired with Cat5e Ethernet.
Mix of Apple, Linux, and Windows machines, as well as miscellaneous cellphones.
Not a fan of the cloud or IoT so those devices are minimal.
Out in the woods, only one neighbour's wireless APs visible.
One NAS box on a static address so everything else can find it when the storm ends and the power comes back on.
Need a second router set up as an AP because the house while small has a lot of wood and stone that screws up reception at certain workstations.
Need a guest network to isolate the EV charger which has a bad habit of crap-flooding if it isn't isolated (similar problem as the Tesla EV charger). Did I mention I don't like the cloud/IoT?

iow, not a particularly complicated setup. Are the TP-Link Archer C7 & C9 still considered good bets or are there other models that have superseded them?

Roundboy
Oct 21, 2008


Can someone provide an honest trip report of a Unfi 6 lite vs the nanohd ? I understand the wifi 6 difference but i am trying to see if there are other features / bandwidth / throughput issues. If i were to invest in the 6 it would probably be the LR.

I do not have 300 clients, but I get a bit paranoid about IOT devices and network congestion for simple home use. When all the kids are zooming on devices,.

smax
Nov 9, 2009



Going from 2x UAP-AC-LRs to 2x U6-LRs doubled my real-world throughput on AC devices in my house.

No problems at all here.

KKKLIP ART
Sep 3, 2004



I keep flip flopping but I kinda want to see what they do about 6E. I know there is a point of "just get the stupid thing" but thats kind of where I'm at.

Cyks
Mar 17, 2008


The u6-lrs look closer to the nanohd than the ac-lr. I don't know if you'll find many here who can give you a first hand comparison between the two but I'd personally go with the nanoHD over the u6-lite (or wait until the EAP 660 HD is back in stock at the same price).

I wonder if the HD name for WiFi 6 devices is going to be reserved for 2.5gb APs.

Meldonox
Jan 13, 2006

Hey, are you listening to a word I'm saying?


I've got a pretty quick and easy question about new equipment. I'm outgrowing the ~6 year old stuff I have and work crunch right now is keeping me from putting in the time and effort to do much research into what's available.

What is your ISP? WideOpenWest cable
what speed are you paying for? 500/50
What speeds are you getting? 265/50 (I'm running an 8 down/4 up channel DOCSIS 3.0 modem)
All wifi? Wired? A mix, see use case details below.
How many floors? One
Budget? Doesn't particularly matter.
Are you willing to run cable? If I have to, but it's probably unnecessary.

My old Surfboard's held up well and all, but it obviously caps out well under what I'm getting, and at the rate my ISP upgrades their speeds I'll probably need to accommodate a gigabit or more within the next year or two. As for the LAN I've got an old Archer C7 that's pretty regularly making GBS threads the bed these days. Near-daily power cycles to get the wifi working again, etc. On top of this I hadn't even heard of Wifi 6 before I got the PS5 and now it seems like everything I'm planning on buying or being issued from work anytime soon comes with it.

I keep the modem and router in my office which opens into the living room. My PC is cabled directly into the router, and in the living room I use wifi for my PS5 (which is primarily a Plex box right now and has an unobstructed wifi signal from about 15-20' away). Those are the main two things that use any significant amount of bandwidth so I'm guessing it may not be worth the effort of running cable through the walls, especially since the PS5 is at the bottom of an 18' wall.

Given all that, what's a good option for a modem and router that'd last me a while?

skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert


You best options for a cable modem are in no particular order

Netgear CM1000/CM1200
ARRIS SurfBoard SB8200
Motorola MB8600

these are all Docsis 3.1 32 channel downstream gig capable.

I don't have an opinion on a home router. I moved to a pfSense box and Ubiquiti WAPs years ago and haven't looked back. Personally not a fan of TP-Link, had issues with their hardware before, but others seem to have a decent experience with them.

PageMaster
Nov 4, 2009


Zorak of Michigan posted:

For what it's worth, our house is only a little smaller, and a Ubiquiti AP mounted on a first floor ceiling or more or less the exact center of the house gives us strong connections throughout the structure and out into the yard.

Thanks, I think between this (and possibly a newer router) and MoCA I have some backup options. We have a lot of walls opening up in the near future due repiping now so I'm going to give a wired network a try; not a whole house network but just running an Ethernet connection between the utility room on the first floor to office on the second floor so I can use my existing WAP. Any cable considerations to look out for with this? I remember back in the day having to be very specific with crossover vs straight-through cable depending on what is plugging into what, buy I think that isn't the case any more?

Edit: my previous houses were a 3 story, and a 2 story CMU/concrete home so my assumption that strong 2 story whole house coverage in a wood frame home being difficult could be completely wrong.

PageMaster fucked around with this message at 04:09 on May 9, 2021

KKKLIP ART
Sep 3, 2004



So for their WAPs that support 2.5GbE uplink, does TP Link have a POE injector or switch that actually provides PoE with a 2.5GbE uplink because otherwise having that port seems useless.

KS
Jun 10, 2003


Outrageous Lumpwad

Several companies sell mgig POE injectors, but they're really meant to be paired with an mgig POE switch. Theirs is TL-SG3210XHP-M2.

Speaking as an owner of an mgig switch and a bunch of 5gb APs, it is very much not worth the extra bucks. I can get to about 1.6gbit single client in near-perfect conditions with the best gear out there. You need dense client environments (we're talking 50+ per AP) for it to make any kind of real world difference.

Cyks
Mar 17, 2008


KKKLIP ART posted:

So for their WAPs that support 2.5GbE uplink, does TP Link have a POE injector or switch that actually provides PoE with a 2.5GbE uplink because otherwise having that port seems useless.

TL-SG3210XHP-M2, an 8-port 2.5Gbps PoE+ switch. It isn't readily available state side yet but it looks like it's going to be $350. At CES they showed off the TL-SX3206HPP which is 4x 10Gbps with Poe++ to go with the EAP 680 HD but no idea on pricing for those. The 660 HD does support a power supply though if you have an outlet nearby, if you want to use a non PoE switch.

Neslepaks
Sep 3, 2003



Unifi has a poe 2.5g switch now which is tempting but even tho they say its for APs they don't actually sell a 2.5g capable AP yet.

KKKLIP ART
Sep 3, 2004



Neslepaks posted:

Unifi has a poe 2.5g switch now which is tempting but even tho they say its for APs they don't actually sell a 2.5g capable AP yet.

My issue is Iím thinking about getting away from Ubiquiti for a few reasons Iíve mentioned up thread and I see folks seem to like the TP link and Ruckus APs. Just trying to figure out what I want to do because my AC-Lites are not cutting it. Also if it is the Unifi switch I am thinking it is, itís a 2.5/5/10 and itís $600 lmbo.

KKKLIP ART fucked around with this message at 16:10 on May 9, 2021

Neslepaks
Sep 3, 2003



KKKLIP ART posted:

My issue is I’m thinking about getting away from Ubiquiti for a few reasons I’ve mentioned up thread and I see folks seem to like the TP link and Ruckus APs. Just trying to figure out what I want to do because my AC-Lites are not cutting it. Also if it is the Unifi switch I am thinking it is, it’s a 2.5/5/10 and it’s $600 lmbo.

Can you get a managed poe 2.5 switch for much less than that though?

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin




Buglord

The mgig stuff is a bit annoying, I just got some older brocade stuff that can do 10g SFP+ but I don't think they can negotiate down to anything but 1g.

by.a.teammate
Jun 27, 2007
theres nothing wrong with the word panties

So i just upgraded to Virgin 1gb fibre but the router that came with it seems to have ruined what i had before, I was able to run my vr headset wirelessly off my computer but even though the new router does have a 5ghz channel and i've separated it and made sure nothing else was on it i get massive lag spikes where my previous router didn't.

So my first thought is to buy a router and just use the Virgin box as a modem, what's the best router for super solid quest 2 wireless connection plus all the usual normal wireless connections and the network being run upstairs to another wireless AP upstairs (at the moment via powerline but I'm looking to get it properly cabled in)

thanks

brand engager
Mar 23, 2011



What are the recommended modems? I think my motorola mb8600 is dying. Sometimes after rebooting it the lights will show it's connected, but I can't reach the internet or the modem's internal 192.168.100.1 page. I also tried connecting my computer straight to it instead of the router and still nothing.

skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert


brand engager posted:

What are the recommended modems? I think my motorola mb8600 is dying. Sometimes after rebooting it the lights will show it's connected, but I can't reach the internet or the modem's internal 192.168.100.1 page. I also tried connecting my computer straight to it instead of the router and still nothing.

How old is it? Those have a 2 year warranty I think.

General recommended modems are:

Netgear CM1000/CM1200
ARRIS SurfBoard SB8200
Motorola MB8600

There are some higher end modems, but generally not worth the extra cost unless you just really want to future proof, and you have to make sure your provider supports them

brand engager
Mar 23, 2011



skipdogg posted:

How old is it? Those have a 2 year warranty I think.

General recommended modems are:

Netgear CM1000/CM1200
ARRIS SurfBoard SB8200
Motorola MB8600

There are some higher end modems, but generally not worth the extra cost unless you just really want to future proof, and you have to make sure your provider supports them

I think I bought it in 2019. I thought they last longer than this but maybe all the power outages have been hard on it. It seems to act up the most when we have really strong storms, and it isn't plugged into an UPS.

skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert


Try just replacing the power supply if possible. A long long time ago whenever I saw a modem fail, it was usually the powersupply going out, and not the actual modem. If you have the tools to test the existing one, that would give you a good idea if that's the issue or not. You can also just take a chance on the powersupply if you buy somehwere with a good return policy.

I keep a universal power supply around, and it's useful for testing various power supplies for random electronics. https://www.amazon.com/Belker-Unive...20844848&sr=8-4 You could try picking something like this up. Make sure it can do 2.5 amps at 12 volts since thats what your modem wants.

brand engager
Mar 23, 2011



skipdogg posted:

Try just replacing the power supply if possible. A long long time ago whenever I saw a modem fail, it was usually the powersupply going out, and not the actual modem. If you have the tools to test the existing one, that would give you a good idea if that's the issue or not. You can also just take a chance on the powersupply if you buy somehwere with a good return policy.

I keep a universal power supply around, and it's useful for testing various power supplies for random electronics. https://www.amazon.com/Belker-Unive...20844848&sr=8-4 You could try picking something like this up. Make sure it can do 2.5 amps at 12 volts since thats what your modem wants.

I ordered one of those universal power supplies but I'll probably pick up another modem after work anyways since I need a stable connection for wfh.

brand engager
Mar 23, 2011



This ui is pretty goofy but it isn't getting any uncorrectables or doing any weird stuff. Also grabbed an UPS for the network stuff

PageMaster
Nov 4, 2009


skipdogg posted:

How old is it? Those have a 2 year warranty I think.

General recommended modems are:

Netgear CM1000/CM1200
ARRIS SurfBoard SB8200
Motorola MB8600

There are some higher end modems, but generally not worth the extra cost unless you just really want to future proof, and you have to make sure your provider supports them

Are there any benefits beyond highest rated speed to look into when shopping for routers? Right now the one 'specs' I'm looking at are does it support (or is it approved for) my plan speed; don't know anything about number is channels or DOCSIS 3.0 vs 3.1.

KKKLIP ART
Sep 3, 2004



I would go for 3.1 if your ISP supports it, especially if the price isnít too different. No sense in doing otherwise

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Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

INSERT QUACK TO CONTINUE





Taco Defender

Kreeblah posted:

I got a couple of used R710s to replace my AC HD APs, and after reflashing them with the Unleashed firmware (it's free from CommScope/Ruckus and has nearly all the features of the regular one, but you don't need a separate controller, don't need a maintenance contract/software license to use/update them, and have a max of 25 APs you can have in the network), they've been pretty good. I used to have drops when migrating between APs with my Unifi gear (I'm guessing something with their 802.11r/v/k implementations), but with the Ruckus APs, I can be connected to a meeting over my work VPN, and it will just seamlessly transfer. Plus the range is pretty great. I'm sure my neighbors hate me, but I can get a usable signal all the way down the block. Their proprietary antenna magic really does seem to do something worthwhile.

There have only really been two downsides so far. One of them has to do with the very latest Unleashed firmware for them (200.9.10.4.233). I was getting kernel panics on it, so I had to use the immediately prior build (200.9.10.4.212) instead. Supposedly, it has something to do with having wifi calling prioritization enabled on that build, so if I really cared, I could try turning that off and upgrading again to test, but I haven't really cared enough to do that since they're apparently working on fixing it for the next release.

The other issue has to do with me living in a condo complex with lots of neighbors. If I turn on the option to have the APs automatically select the best channels to use, they sometimes switch multiple times a minute just due to how congested things are here, which dumps all the connected clients on the AP while that happens. So, unless I move somewhere else that's less congested, I just can't use that feature.

Dunno whether anybody cares, but to follow up on this, they just put out a new firmware version (200.9.10.4.243) a couple of days ago to address the FragAttacks poo poo, and they fixed the kernel panic bug in it. Now, I really only have one issue, and it's more an issue of living in a multi-unit complex.

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