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Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

fade5 posted:

On the "here in America" front, the US just arrested six people who attempted to go join ISIL, so basically you can say that we're already successfully monitoring anything that could pop up:

Relatedly, point out that most of the time the story is that some idiot is trying leave the US (or whatever country) and go die in the desert fight with ISIL, rather than ISIL trying to come here to the US. On the "ISIL is dying" front, here's a new story about how ISIL has lost more than 25% of their territory that they once held:
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/15/middleeast/isis-loses-territory-iraq/index.html

The big answer to how that was achieved: airstrikes.
You can show her this hilariously long list of US airstrikes against ISIL, and ask her if she's heard of Kobani, and then point out/remind/explain to her that ISIL at full strength was successfully repelled from Kobani by YPG/YPJ Kurdish irregulars and US airstrikes (and FSA groups), with ISIL losing ~1200 of their fighters in a mini version of Stalingrad.

Not only has that return not happened, ISIL has been pushed even further back by literal daily US airstrikes; I did a summary on US airstrikes in Kobani (as of late February) here, and it really shows how US airpower has helped to beat back ISIL. (To be honest it's almost terrifying how effective airstrikes are.)

If you really want/need to bring the point home, show her a couple videos of US airstrikes on ISIL (maybe even the famous Tel Shaer one in my AV:v:), to bring home the point that US air power makes ISIL a basically non-existent threat to us.

They aren't much of a threat to the US, and dude's mom was wrong, but this information is misleading. The Saudi coalition in Yemen has done well over half as many airstrikes in a month as the US has done in Iraq and Syria since October, it took a tremendous international effort to keep ISIS from overrunning Kobani, and they've been advancing elsewhere just as fast as they're being pushed back. They have the strongest presence in Damascus they've ever had, the preparation for the operation to take Mosul is just not happening, and they are moving on Ramadi right now. They're not "slowly dying." In fact, they aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

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Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
its because Y% of white people deserve to have crimes done on them, so more black people have to commit crimes because there are a lot more whites and not very many minoritys per capital to stab them

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
the knowledge has been pooled

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
white people control the media, even BET, and so they make up the stories people follow. they only do stories on guys who its easy to argue against. like all they talk all about are guys who were shot when someone can just say "oh well he stole a candy bar and then was going to fight that cop" or "he was beating that man up, of course he shot a gun at him," and so those are the stories that white and black people talk about. the news dont talk about the people who didn't do anything to get shot though. the truth is that 93% of black people who get shot or killed are kids on the honor role who had their hands up and at their sides, and who didn't do something to get shot at by the man who also called them niggers four times first.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
There's obviously racial, geographic, and cultural differences that have pushed evolution down separate paths, but you can also see the socio-economic, political aspects that effect these types of things. For instance, in England, Soccer was a "white" sport, and whites dominated it there. But you look at South Africa, and there was a different balance, which was summed up by the old racist phrase "soccer is a gentlemans game played by hooligans, rugby is a hooligans game played by gentlemen." Soccer was the black game, and rugby was the white game. And even today, South African soccer is dominated by Kaizer Chiefs and Orlando Pirates, two teams that are almost exclusively black, as part of that legacy. And while Rugby is traditionally a white sport in SA and elsewhere, they get their asses handed to them regularly by New Zealand, who feature a lot of Maori players. That's not even looking at something like the CCCP hockey team, that absolutely dominated international hockey for decades based entirely on the communist systems dictatorial management of hockey programs in the Soviet Union, and who's success completely fell apart after its fall. Who's physical and mental attributes were completely irrelevant to their dominance. So it really is a diverse thing with a ton of variables. It's also pretty touchy because flirting with the idea of inherent differences between different groups of people is to flirt with racial superiority and stereotypes. "How many white dudes have won the slam dunk competition" and "black men are only capable of advancing through sports" are two really closely related viewpoints, but one is OK and the other is obviously racist poo poo. So you have to be careful about what you viewpoints you promote. But at the same time, people hate and fear what they don't understand, so it's important that we learn about each others differences and take pride in and celebrate them rather than just sweeping them under the carpet and pretending they don't exist, in the interest of preventing ignorance.

Volkerball fucked around with this message at 08:50 on Sep 8, 2015

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Cingulate posted:

No. If all major Russian ethnicities had been extremely diminutive in stature, they would not have been able to form that team. (Some genes are not sufficient, but necessary conditions.)

Larionov 5'9" 170
Makarov 5'11" 185
Krutov 5'9" 190
Kasatonov 6'1" 210
Fetisov 6'1" 210

Not an ethnicity on earth that couldn't provide substantial numbers of people in that size range to get flooded into Red Army hockey camps when they're 5.

V. Illych L. posted:

if such ideas are to be investigated they need to be investigated properly and carefully, with a massive critical eye towards any biases that may present themselves

"black people dominate [some]sports in the US so clearly black people are better at sports genetically" is not such an investigation

also this.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Cingulate posted:

They'd possibly be able to field one whole team of hockey players of that stature. They'd most likely not be able to find sufficiently many people at that stature who're also gifted with the countless other aspects one needs to play hockey.

But the Soviet system wasn't based on their players being gifted. They'd pull out the best of the best when they were very little, take 5 of them, put them together when they were children, and then those 5 players would be on the same line for life. Canada had Gretzky, Lemieux, and all the all-world talents. But the Soviet lines had been playing with each other all their lives, and were able to just shred defenses with their passing.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
That talking point originated with southern whites back in the day. That they were doing slaves a service. It was accompanied with the belief that it was the best these simple negroes could ever aspire to achieve in life. There were more than a few people who were surprised when slaves rose up against them and all black regiments formed in the union army. Ungrateful bastards. :argh:

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Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
It's always fun to watch gone with the wind while constantly reminding yourself this is a thing people actually believe.

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