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Paul MaudDib
May 2, 2006

"Tell me of your home world, Usul"


Would a sources and citations thread/post help? I know I'm always hunting for that citation I saw someone use that one time...

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Paul MaudDib
May 2, 2006

"Tell me of your home world, Usul"


Bruce Leroy posted:

Except the point is that there are functioning, stable, democratic nations that don't have gun ownership as civil rights, which is an obvious refutation of the gun rights advocacy tropes that the 2nd Amendment is necessary to preserve order, keep crime low, and prevent government tyranny.

You can find examples of functioning, stable democratic nations that don't have pretty much anything as a civil right. Americans don't give civil rights to kids, so Europe should take away children's rights. Europe doesn't have free speech as a right. America doesn't think welfare (right to food/shelter) or healthcare is a right. And so on and so on.

And your opinion that it shouldn't be doesn't change the fact that firearms ownership is a civil right here. It's a losing battle, one that has legitimate origins in the eyes of many Americans due to the American revolution, and it's simply not worth fighting again.

e: What I am saying is, enjoy living in your first-world European democracies, and if you really want to help you should push for the things that create equality and raise standards of living so that crime is naturally reduced instead of trying to push measures that will create a backlash against those same policies. There's tens of millions of Americans living with disease, no access to dentistry, in food deserts, and so on. We even have Doctors without Borders-style organizations working here in the US. Education costs $25k a year. This should be a thousand times more important to you than whether someone gets to keep a gun. The best way to address crime (and the perceived need for gun ownership) is to make people feel safe and have a stake in society and we are massively falling down there.

Besides, how did that nut who shot up the kids' camp get a gun in gun-free Europe anyway?

Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at Oct 24, 2011 around 19:11

Paul MaudDib
May 2, 2006

"Tell me of your home world, Usul"


V. Illych L. posted:

Asthma is a typical no-go. Bad eyesight. Colourblindness. Chronic illness of practically any kind. Usually, if there's something wrong with you, the military doesn't want you. At least, not over here in socialist nazi communist Norway. I imagine it's similar in the US these days, with the downscaling of the armed forces and everything.

Also, joining the military of the USA is a pretty potent political statement that not everyone's willing to make. You should seriously not be forced to explicitly endorse American warfare in order to have a decent life.

Diagnosis of ADD/ADHD, severe dental problems, endocrine disorders, transgender disorders, etc. There are seriously a lot.

http://www.military.com/Recruiting/...edical,,00.html

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