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qirex
Feb 15, 2001



Nobody really makes 3-way monitors; which if you're at all concerned about size you shouldn't be looking at anyway, nobody bothers on any speaker with under 8" woofers.

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qirex
Feb 15, 2001



I've been supremely unimpressed with the ProMedias, there's a gap between the satellites range and the sub and it's really boomy I think because of the small driver and maybe port noise. Plus they're noisy, I think they spend more money on the THX sticker than the amplifier.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



Hey man plenty of people like them but I got converted to normal speakers + receiver in college and I've never looked back. If I was going to get powered stuff I'd save up and get something like the Audioengine A5+ or Kanto iPair but that's me.

There's lots of folks who like ProMedias as evidenced by this thread and I freely admit I'm way more picky than most.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



Hammer Floyd posted:

So I'm thinking I might need something better than PC speakers to make me happy. What's the easiest way of connecting a PC to regular stereo speakers? I dont really want to go the monitor route as these are a bit more general-purpose rather than for music only.

A $2 TOSLINK cable into a receiver?

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



japtor posted:

Tangentially related to the A2 chat, anyone have suggestions for passive speakers in the same size and quality range? I'd like some small decent speakers for a TV don't want to deal with the whole volume knob in the back thing (or just lack of a remote controlled setup). P4s look nice but they're bigger than I'm looking for.
These are a 7" cube:
http://www.kantospeakers.com/collections/ben

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



codo27 posted:

For a HTPC setup its perfect. Like I said, I will have my office and my receiver is going to be out in the living room. I am going to try out that optical receiver though, for $80 its not a big risk. But there has to be a high quality made-for-PC setup with a smaller footprint
There is, it's called quality stereo speakers and you can get them from M-Audio, Audioengine, Kanto, Aperion and many other companies.

A surround setup needs more parts than stereo so at a given price point the more pieces the thing is made out of the lower quality those pieces are.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



Duke Farmington posted:

I heard the B&W 685 S2 speakers today and fell in love. I have a stereo receiver I could use. Would they make good computer speakers or are they made more for far-away listening?

They're front ported which removes some of the complexity of positioning them but I'm not sure how much toe-in you'd want sitting close to them. Did you listen to the 686 too, a little less bass but maybe a bit more practical? Also they do dip to 3.2 ohms at high load, is your receiver fairly beefy? They're really nice speakers if not potentially a bit overkill for your uses.

At that price range I'd look at the KEF X300 also.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



Are those Pioneer speakers really that much better than anything else in the same range like these or Daytons or low-end Polk, JBL, Infinity? I'm suspicious they're just one of those things the internet hype machine boosted for no good reason. Also they're so ugly to me I'd prefer a plain black box.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



KillHour posted:

I haven't heard them in person, but people generally only have good things to say about them.

I'd imagine that for a large number of buyers these are the first real speakers they've ever owned so they're naturally going to gush about them. I know the "medium driver in bigass box" model works, there's much more expensive speakers doing the same kind of thing. I'm just naturally suspicious of anything that becomes Goon Approved cult status.

qirex fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Feb 2, 2015

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



I have a friend who is looking for a desktop USB DAC/headphone amp/volume knob to use with both headphones and speakers, the specific functionality wanted is that if the headphones are plugged in the line out is muted, although I guess a switch on the box between them would work as well. There's stuff like the Fiio E10k and Audioengine D1 but I can't tell if that functionality to switch between speakers and headphones without dicking around in software is there. Ideas? Budget is as cheap as possible, they don't need a headphone super-amp or anything.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



The Schiit [] stack seems like major overkill. Apparently this can do the same thing [albeit not as high quality] http://www.amazon.com/Syba-Stereo-Headphone-Amplifier-SD-DAC63057/dp/B009WN7QT4/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

If my friend gets this I'll let you know how it turned out.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



There's a Canadian brand called Kanto that sells decent powered speakers, they go on sale a lot. The YU2 should be around the top end of your range.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



The end state for every "discount deal" site is selling things for more than retail.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



Every single amplifier with a digital input is also a DAC. Don't bother with separates unless you enjoy that sort of thing. There's a bunch of DAC/amps out there but you're probably looking on the upper end of that scale for a good one. There's something like this or this on the cheaper end but they tend to have quirky Chinese interfaces. Do you have space for a full-sized component? Getting a used or refurb recevier might be a good way to go.


GnarlyCharlie4u posted:

just go ahead and buy a Schiit stack; Magni 3 and Modi 2.
http://www.schiit.com/products/magni-3
So you're suggesting he buy these and a separate power amp for the speakers? Also Teac now makes an all-in-one.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



For powered speakers even if you like Schiit stuff why not just get their cheap knob thing instead of the internet hype stack that requires 2 power supplies? Unless you have exotic hard to drive headphones itís just more cables and more hassle IMO.

Poster asked about power amps, most of them now under $300 are Chinese tripath ones, and thereís plenty of all in one models.

qirex fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Oct 17, 2017

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



Once you have outboard headphone amplifier disease it's incurable, might as well go ahead and buy that Emotiva power amp that you can bridge to 50WPC to the 1/4" jack.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



I assume you're planning on using the headphone output from your Switch since if you want to do HDMI you're pretty much stuck with a receiver [or comedy $3000 Naim Uniti Atom option]. The closest thing to what you want in one box that isn't a receiver is the TEAC AI-101da but at $300 it costs as much as a receiver. They have similar DAC/amps up to a grand with bigger amps/more features. There's slimline receivers around the same price with much better performance but they are large. If you want to stick with small stuff maybe look into a miniDSP that you could then connect to your sub and a small amp.

People seem to love Schiit gear but it generally measures worse than generic Chinese DACs and they don't sell a single component that can do bass management for routing to your sub.

qirex fucked around with this message at 14:59 on May 15, 2018

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



KoB posted:

Ive ended up with a few Sonos play1s, is there a way I can get these hooked up to my PC relatively inexpensively?

Theyíre streaming speakers only, if you just want to use them for music theyíll work great but they have no live audio input and even if you manage something with software itíll have a lot of latency. If thatís not what you need your best bet is to flip them, you could get enough cash for a really good set of monitors.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



charity rereg posted:

Is there a better choice even today than the Klipcsh Pro Media 2.1 if I want to hook it up to my HTPC as my primary TV speakers?

Whatís your budget? You should be able to get something from Edifier, Fluance, Kanto, etc that will take optical and include a remote control. Optical out from TVs are usually full volume.

Examples:
https://www.edifier.com/us/en/speakers/r1280db-bluetooth-bookshelf-speakers-built-in-amplifier-coaxial-optical

https://www.fluance.com/powered-2-0-bluetooth-active-5-inch-bookshelf-speakers-bamboo

qirex fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Nov 14, 2019

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



Youíre not going to do much better than your TV buying new for under $150 IMO. At the bare minimum maybe a pair of Micca MB42s and a cheap tripath amp around $100?

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



Direct modes typically bypass the crossover and play 2.0. Put it in auto mode [I think itís AFD on Sony].

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



no pubes yet sorry posted:

What are the current winners? I'd be typically using the speakers for PC output so hdmi, toslink, USB or rca. I'd like to have the ability to use bluetooth but not a deal breaker as I could get a standalone bluetooth adapter but I am also unfamilar with those.

Speakers can handle 120w per channel, 6 ohms. I could run line level to sub if amp doesn't have subout.

Has anyone ever used a Sonos Connect:Amp? The one I will have access to is the older version, it can produce 55w per channel and is theoretically bridgeable.
It sounds like you don't have your receiver set up exactly right, if it knows you only have 2 speakers it should be downmixing everything to 2.1. Did you set your mains to "small?"

Depending on when it was made older Sonos Connects and Connect Amps (pre 2015) are about to be EOLed into a reduced functionality penatly box.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



no pubes yet sorry posted:

I've navigated it to the point where I am outputting correctly on the receiver, it is just wildly difficult. If my wife wants to use it is is a maze of button presses and verifying sound fields etc.

I kind of like a complicated receiver, reminds me of the 90s. Wrong tool for the application anyway.

It looks like the Sonos device I have will be able to function as is. Since I am primarily using my pc for input I don't think it should be a big deal.

The real goal is to get whatever small integrated or power amp or whatever is the current trend and let it be my amp and maybe a secondary device for inputs, bluetooth and optical ideally. I see a lot of stuff on amazon but I don't trust reviews. Audiophile forums are just bonkers. Any suggestions?
You shouldn't have to navigate anything, it should sound right in Auto no matter what you're playing.

As far as the rest of the market there's a price floor probably around $300-400 for stuff that hits that feature/usability balance. "Not being lovely to use" is something that costs money to design and build but there's also expensive gear that gets it wrong. I can't tell where you want to get to, is it connected to a TV?

Categories of amplifiers by increasing price:
  • Chinese class D amps priced $50-200 with lots of features eg DAC, bluetooth, etc. but typically wonky usability and no bass management [this means they may have a sub output but it doesn't cut the bass to the speakers leading to a lot of tweaking or things like MiniDSP. Also separate volume and power.
  • AV Receivers, I'd consider $300 the absolute price floor. There's a couple interesting stereo AVRs [Denon 800H, Onkyo 8270, Marantz NR1200] but they're around $500.
  • 2 Channel integrated amps/receivers without HDMI. These can range from a couple hundred to infinity dollars. Crossovers for subwoofers are rare. Used deals can be had
  • All in one streaming boxes, specifically the Sonos Amp and Bluesound Node 2i. They have HDMI ARC so you can do volume control with your TV remote but are pricey [$650-900, $$$$ for NAD or Naim]
  • Outboard/separates. This means the sources, preamp, maybe DAC and amps are all in separate boxes. Maximum grognard, maximum price, lots of DIY/tweaking options.

Your current Sony sounds like a dog, if you can't get it to sound right all the time I'd return it while you can even if an AVR is the right solution. Also I know the Sonos Connect has an input but I'd check it for delay, could mess up lip sync. It is a small amplifier and if you don't want other Sonos gear it could work OK.No bluetooth though.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



space marine todd posted:

Recommendations for a very small sub $200 2.0 setup that doesn't completely suck? I'd like to put two speakers next to a short throw projector (3.5mm out) for gaming/movies/casual music listening.

Are these too big? https://www.fluance.com/powered-2-0-bluetooth-active-5-inch-bookshelf-speakers-bamboo

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



phosdex posted:

What would I need if I wanted to get one of those powered bookshelf speakers, like the JBL or Fluance posted earlier. But I need to have 2 computers be able to output at the same time and have a headphone plugin. I've got Mac Mini, so either USB or 3.5 output and I swap 2 computers into another monitor that I run its 3.5 output out of.

So something small to sit on my desk, take the 2 inputs and then output to powered speakers w/headphone jack?

Pretend I have a budget of $200 for this device. But I can go well over or under that if its something simple.
This sounds like a job for [this is the real name] The Big Knob. You'd need a cheap headphone amp and a bunch of 1/4" to RCA plugs but for $50 you'll have budget.There's bigger and more expensive versions that act as USB interfaces and headphone outs as well.

opinion edit: I have strong dislike for Schiit, nothing wrong with their cheap things but their expensive stuff costs more than pro gear that measures much, much better.

qirex fucked around with this message at 22:36 on May 14, 2020

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



The problem with the wirecutter is they tend to look for features first and eliminate a lot of stuff just so they can narrow it down to a reasonable number to actually test.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



powderific posted:

Didnít they go out of business cause the founder somehow ran fundraisers for kids with cancer and then just kept the money? I have a pair of bookshelves from them I really liked and then they disappeared.

He was doing all sorts of sketchy stuff, his main thing was taking preorders for speakers months and months in advance of when he could ship them. The fake charity thing was only found out after people started really putting pressure on him IIRC.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



Ghost Leviathan posted:

I see I'm not the only one returning Logitech crap.

Been posting around asking for a decent modest set of PC speakers. To crosspost from another thread: Anything around the $50-$150 AUD range. I've got very little experience outside plug-and-play as audio equipment goes. Would prefer something with an external amp, though.

At that price range maybe shop used? You could probably get a Chinese T-Amp and some used small bookshelf speakers for that much. I don't know much about Australian pricing.

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qirex
Feb 15, 2001



abraham linksys posted:

thread seems maybe a lil dead, but gonna give a post a go anyways: anyone here have experience with the Kanto Yu2? I want some nice <$300 speakers for my desk, but I have very little room and will be basically placing them directly under my monitor, giving me about 8" of clearance to work with - too short for most bookshelves (which also take up more room than I'd like in general on my small desk). The Yu2 seems like one of the only good tiny options. Others I'm looking at:

* Klipsch ProMedia 2.1
* Audioengine A2+
* iLoud Micro Monitor

my goals are just 2-channel stereo for games and music, nothing too fancy. the option to get a sub is nice but as long as they have some bass I don't need it day one.
I would guess those all sound roughly similar [except for the Promedias because they have a sub]. Kantos seem to be reviewed well and they go on sale a lot.

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