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I don’t see how it’s worse. The art is better, and it seems to be trying to take what was already done and steer into a decent direction. It’s also only been like 4 or 5 updates, so it’s going to take time to right the ship. Might have been wise to just start from scratch (  ) but I can see wanting to respect the work the prior team did and not just throw it away.That said, the epilogues were always contentious and trying to build a long-form store story after literally doubling the cast always seemed like a poor decision.
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I don't really see how what we have is really a different direction from what was happening before. "It is revealed that Rose and Jade did something mind-bogglingly foolish off-camera, and in spite of the fact that it wasn't really in character for either of them we're now going to examine its consequences in full and exacting detail" was always the premise of the Yiffy arc.
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Pants Donkey posted:but I can see wanting to respect the work the prior team did and not just throw it away. I can't. A lot of the prior team's work was garbage and actively terrible, and theres no point in honoring trash just because someone worked really hard on that trash If anything, the nature of Homestuck as a series should make it effortless to toss out bad prior work and rewrite the canon. Call it a failed timeline too dumb to continue existing and move along with better stories instead of trying to justify Yiffy's existence. Although I have to say, thematically Yiffy does match up with Hussie trying to see just how much active loathing for his audience he could show before anyone called him on it and finding the answer was infinite
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Man, I get having reservations, but a lot of y'all seem to hate the comic for being what it is, instead of being what you want it to be. Frankly I've seen a lot of that since the loving retcon, and some even going back to the start of act 6. Like, at some point the issue isn't "bad writing" or "author hostility", it's just you not liking where the story went. That's not the creative team's fault.
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Fender Anarchist posted:Man, I get having reservations, but a lot of y'all seem to hate the comic for being what it is, instead of being what you want it to be. Frankly I've seen a lot of that since the loving retcon, and some even going back to the start of act 6. Like, at some point the issue isn't "bad writing" or "author hostility", it's just you not liking where the story went. That's not the creative team's fault.
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New update, with more quite good art/visual gags and some interesting exposition. Also, as an aside, Psycholonials is now free on all platforms. I can’t imagine anyone reading this thread hasn’t already checked it out, but I found it to be a bizarre and absorbing VN. Good music! My hot take is that I think it’s less about Homestuck than people make it out to be. Fender Anarchist posted:Like, at some point the issue isn't "bad writing" or "author hostility", it's just you not liking where the story went. That's not the creative team's fault. I feel like some of the mistakes the new team have made are classic “bad writing” pitfalls—not moving the story forward quickly enough after the already slow first act, spending too much time on exposition and piece maneuvering, etc. They seem to be doing a bit of a mid-season reset, though, so it’s all pretty understandable. My main substantive critique is that Homestuck, up through the HS2 hiatus, was always creatively ambitious to a fault. Pivoting to prose for the Epilogues and then the HS2 format (including a bunch of cool bonus page concepts) felt like big swings to me, all built on Homestuck’s original record of restlessly changing up the storytelling for every new section of the story. So far, I haven’t seen that level of ambition from the new squad. I find it hard to believe they don’t have something interesting planned, though, and I also find what they’ve done charming enough to be happy to wait and see where they’re going with it all.
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rko posted:I feel like some of the mistakes the new team have made are classic “bad writing” pitfalls—not moving the story forward quickly enough after the already slow first act, spending too much time on exposition and piece maneuvering, etc. They seem to be doing a bit of a mid-season reset, though, so it’s all pretty understandable. this is definitely how i felt about it all, getting to HS late felt like some mindblowing poo poo that i couldnt have expected, the epilogues were something i couldnt have expected from the comic and hit me just right, and HS2 was the overburdened setup to following the epilogues up that was still interesting as it had to try and stick the landing on Too Many concurrent plotlines. the side comics on the patreon contributed so much to this for me, they really did rule HSBC having this weird kind of rolling start on an already wild premise is gonna be goofy, and it feels like they're trying to jumpstart that now.. but even the jumpstarting feels like it s gonna take half a year at this rate lol. i'm enjoying it among the couple handfuls of fics i keep up with, but it hasn't gotten to be this standout and i just know people have to be getting antsy right
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rko posted:I feel like some of the mistakes the new team have made are classic “bad writing” pitfalls—not moving the story forward quickly enough after the already slow first act, spending too much time on exposition and piece maneuvering, etc. They seem to be doing a bit of a mid-season reset, though, so it’s all pretty understandable. I agree with this broadly, although I wouldn't even necessarily say "bad writing" - I'd say more "fan writing", people who aren't used to writing longform narratives built around a plot, but who are maybe really good at writing a character moment or an important scene in isolation. Moving the story and having things happen is a really hard skill to learn, and kind of a separate skill from writing good prose. I like BC so far but it does feel like it's stuck in "the plot is ABOUT to happen" and doesn't know how to pull the trigger on things actually occurring. In this update, the characters can't even make a plan without Alt Callie showing up to tell them that something else is about to happen so they'd better not bother nudging the pacing forward one scintilla.
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It doesn’t help that they’re continuing from another team’s writing which itself built off another team’s writing. It’s very much a Frankenstein piece of media at this point, and they have get the Plot in Candy going, get it moving in Meat, and also tie the two together in the overarching plot of the whole thing. Probably would have been better to start over, but this what they chose.
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Jolly Homestuck Day you filthy animals, new Dirk-centric update dropped.
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My God, I had forgotten it was 4/13. The curse has finally lifted.
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What's the joke/meaning behind the name "Deltritus"?
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GunnerJ posted:What's the joke/meaning behind the name "Deltritus"? It's just the Delta to the Alpha and Beta sessions, while also lampshading it being detritus - random garbage. I suppose.
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https://www.requiemcafe.com/
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If I’ve never read homestuck but want to, how much am I going to miss by just reading it in on a mobile browser instead of downloading that bespoke viewer and content pack i I see recommended?
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Dramatika posted:If I’ve never read homestuck but want to, how much am I going to miss by just reading it in on a mobile browser instead of downloading that bespoke viewer and content pack i I see recommended? You need the bespoke viewer and content pack if you don't want to miss a tonne of the best parts, I think. Homestuck proper had well over a hundred Flash animations, infinite canvas segments where the website warps to become part of the comic panels, and several 30+ minute games, and all of that stuff is mostly gone on the new official site. The games are replaced by a Youtube video of someone playing through the games, it's tragic. Also the Unofficial Collection is really good. I reread Homestuck on it recently and it's a super faithful, super smooth experience.
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I don't know what the bespoke viewer is, but I think there are a quite a few spots where mobile would be tough compared to a desktop/laptop browser. Though now that I think of it, how do people play the interactive Flash portions now? edit: Android Blues posted:The games are replaced by a Youtube video of someone playing through the games, it's tragic. Wow holy poo poo, that sucks
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Android Blues posted:You need the bespoke viewer and content pack if you don't want to miss a tonne of the best parts, I think. Homestuck proper had well over a hundred Flash animations, infinite canvas segments where the website warps to become part of the comic panels, and several 30+ minute games, and all of that stuff is mostly gone on the new official site. The games are replaced by a Youtube video of someone playing through the games, it's tragic. Ok, good to know. I have it on my desktop already but I was hoping I could just cruise through it on lunch breaks or in bed instead of needing to be on a real computer. I’m like 500 pages in so far and it’s fun!
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I fully endorse the bespoke browser if only because it has logic built in to experience the comic as a first time user versus someone reading on repeat.
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Also, as is written in Homestuck law, you have to live post your experience.
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GunnerJ posted:I don't know what the bespoke viewer is, but I think there are a quite a few spots where mobile would be tough compared to a desktop/laptop browser. Though now that I think of it, how do people play the interactive Flash portions now? There’s a fan-made desktop app called The Unofficial Homestuck Collection that not only contains the entirety of Homestuck, including the Flash bits, but also does its best to replicate the entire experience of reading Homestuck as it came out by showing you older or newer versions of content based on your most recently viewed page. It’s a very faithful recreation, and is the gold standard for Experiencing Homestuck™ in 2024.
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Wasn't there supposed to be an official offline collection as a stretch goal in the Kickstarter?
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yeah not only are the flashes replaced with very low-quality youtube uploads, but there's actually a couple pages where the link to the next page was a clickable entity within the flash panel itself, and the updated site does not implement a conventional "next page" button in html. So a new reader could reach one of those pages, see no way to progress, and assume that's the end of the comic. there's also some historical-context stuff and plot-device changes to the early comic pages that occurred much later in its run. the UHC implements an optional New Reader Mode that restores everything to how it was, only implementing it once the applicable later update comes out. it also hides panels, and the links to them in the page list, past where you've read (which it saves MUCH more reliably than the save/load on the site ever did for me), and pops up little notifications showing embedded news posts "live" so you can see at least some of Hussie's discussion mid-comic, as well as hints of fandom discussion when they respond to it. there's even mods that add in the author commentary from the book releases of the early acts, although those can contain spoilers so if you want to avoid those be aware of that. UHC really is a FAR better experience than any form of the current live site, mobile or desktop. i can't find it anymore but hussie used to link to the UHC on their link.tree or something alongside the actual site, which is as good an endorsement as I need, and there's a reason for it.
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Pants Donkey posted:Also, as is written in Homestuck law, you have to live post your experience. If that's the cost, so be it! So I'm on like panel 440 right now and its insane how spot on the gamefaqs imitation is - not just the site itself, but it reads like one of those overly wordy Final Fantasy guides from back in the day, so much so that I catch myself skimming looking for data until I remember I'm not playing a game. The pesterlogs are fantastic, really bring me back to late 90s/2000s internet. The nostalgia hits great. Apparently people say it starts really slow but I'm already enjoying it quite a bit - Katana dude (Dave?) is funny but I'm always antsy for it to get back to (John?) Egbert and knitting girl (Rose?), which is generally a sign I'm hooked into something. Also, the fight scene with Rose's mom was fantastic.
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