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Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008
Any Canadian goons want to celebrate our nation's birthday in true Canuck style by drinking a pint of British beer after this free concert at Trafalgar square?

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Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008

Spuckuk posted:

Polpo.

You want to go to Polpo. Order lots, have some cocktails, it's pretty great.

Our company Christmas party is at Polpo with a no-ceiling tab. How excited should I be and are there any cocktails I must order?

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008

Spuckuk posted:

a) Jealous

b) Negroni

Negroni? What exactly is it? And you don't have to be quite as jealous, I just found out we're on a set menu although I think the drink tab is still unlimited. However the big parent company party is the same night so I have to pace myself somewhat.

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008

Spuckuk posted:

An unlimited bar tab in somewhere with cocktails as good at that is always something to be jealous of. They do a really good Old Fashioned too (If you like bourbon)

I do, and a properly made Old Fashioned is like a work of art. Now I know what I'm going to be drinking all afternoon while eating chocolate salami.

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008

sweek0 posted:

Last time I was there.

Me to waiter: This sauce is great, what's in it?
Him, completely deadpan: Crack. Then walks off.

Ok, definitely checking it out this weekend. I live like a 5 minute walk from it so there's no excuse.

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008
I went to Lemonia in Primrose Hill last weekend. I had heard a lot of hype about it, and we have a family friend who has known the owner for years, so it was a nice experience. Everything tasted good, the dolmades were some of the best I've ever had, and my lamb kleftiko was tender and delicious.

I was told beforehand it is not haute cuisine; it is simple traditional fare, but done right. Which, I have to admit, it is. But the prices are outrageous for the type of food it is. You pay around £15 for just your meat main with no sides - it's £3-6 per side dish, which are also plain things like roast potatoes with minimal seasoning.

I guess they can get away with their prices because the place is always full, but coming from Canada originally all I could think was that those price tags would be found on well-aged filet mignon dinners at upscale steak houses.

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008

tentish klown posted:

I'm not sure where you're eating your well-aged filet mignon but I certainly don't know where I can get one for £15. Welcome to London dining.

I meant compared to Canadian prices. To be fair, the exchange rate right now kind of helps that out - and the price to compare with is more like £22 not £15, because I don't mean just the piece of meat.

But yes, I've been here a year now, and I agree that London dining is generally more expensive. This seemed high by London standards for what it was, though.

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008
As I said, that's what I wanted to do but no one else was interested - and as we were being treated by my mother's ex-fiancee (long story), who has ordered the same thing there for decades, I wasn't about to try to convince him. I will go back and do that with other people next time.

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008
Does anyone know where to buy proper Canadian style cheese curds? I know there are a few places offering genuine poutine now but I can't find anywhere selling them at all.

If you aren't familiar with them as cheese curds, they aren't the same as curd cheese (which is more like a cream cheese spread).

They are rubbery little finger sized/shaped pieces of unripened cheddar. They squeak when you chew them.

Also acceptable would be leipäjuusto, a Finnish version of the same thing.

If anyone knows it would be greatly appreciated!

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008
I have contacted them and this is true, the Borough Market location carries them. Thanks!

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008
Yeah I wasn't sure if that post was ironic... Although Mexican status aside, if you do end up eating there for whatever reason, the roast sweet potatoes with garlic are pretty tasty.

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008

The_Doctor posted:

I showed the photo that I posted above to the waiter and he admitted "well, it's never going to be as good as that."

Why even open a restaurant if you summarily dismiss ever achieving the moderate standard of an inexpensive Louisiana diner at almost three times the price?

Especially with food this basic, it's kind of an absurd attitude. Waffles are dead-easy to make, and fried chicken doesn't seem outside the grasp of most pubs (the Market Tavern in Shepherd's market or The Crown and Sceptre in Fitzrovia both have pretty decent fried chicken at that price without even specialising in it).

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008
I've only been to Needoo, but I went there specifically because I read that it is the same food as Tayyab's but less busy. It was still very busy but we got in after about 15 minutes with no reservation. Some team of drunk salespeople who were pounding cans of Foster's kept hitting my girlfriend's chair but I think that comes with the territory.

This was on a Wednesday in early March at about 7:00pm.

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008
I'm going on a first date tomorrow evening in south London. I was recommended a pub called Cable near Oval, which looks cute, but if it goes well and we want to grab a bite to eat or something afterward are there any places anyone would recommend between Oval and Tooting Bec (so Vauxhall, Brixton, Clapham, etc all fine) which is

- casual but not takeaway casual
- good value but not cheap
- interesting and cool but not over the top risky/inaccessible for a person whose food preferences I know nothing about

I don't know, anything worthwhile. Very open to suggestions. If there's some must-visit pub that you would recommend over Cable in basically all of south London for a first date (talkable volume level) I'd also be interested to hear.

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008
The Market Tavern in Shepherd's Market is nice, maybe slightly more than five minutes but not by much.

Actually looking now it might be slightly out of range if the relative's got mobility issues.

Artificial Idiocy fucked around with this message at 14:03 on Sep 2, 2015

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008

sweek0 posted:

Seven at Brixton in Brixton Village, or one of the many other places around there really, would work well for a first date.

http://www.sevenatbrixton.com/

That actually looks great, thanks for the recommendation. Even if we don't want a DINNER dinner, a few little plates and some of those reasonably priced cocktails seem like a solid choice.

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008

GiantAmazonianOtter posted:


This weekend, very excited to be trying the tasting menu at Paradise Garage!

I'm going there for the tasting menu tomorrow for a work party. I'll let you know what my experience is like.

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008

GiantAmazonianOtter posted:

What's the verdict then?

Right sorry, it became a very late night afterwards and I had to go to Nottingham at 730am with a rotten hangover Thursday after getting home at 330. Back in the game now.

Paradise Garage itself was nice - being in a literal former train garage the industrial-chic aesthetic is interesting. There's some construction going on across the street so the view is currently either very authentic or a bit poo poo depending on your point of view.

Overall I think the tasting menu had some real highlights - the lamb main was delicious, and it came with lamb fry as well, which I know can be a few different organs, but I'm pretty sure it was a testicle. It was crispy and tasted good though, and now I can say I eat balls which is a solid bonus.

The bread and butter are also really good; they serve a whiskey infused smoked butter that's made in house, which was quite good. I did, however, go through a fair amount of it because the portions on the tasting menu are, as expected, quite small, and I left hungry after (which made me glad I wasn't the one paying £45 for it). There was a fish course which was excellent as well, perfectly cooked with a great texture.

I was lucky enough to have a pescatarian with a small appetite beside me, so she also gave me some nibbles from her plates including the cockles which tasted like eating the sea, in a good way.

I enjoyed the meal quite a lot, and there was no course that I didn't enjoy, but at the end I'm not sure if I'd pay that amount again for what I got. It wasn't outrageously expensive by any means, but it was also only very good and not actually amazing. Worth a try though.

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008

The_Doctor posted:

Tasting menus make me think about The Fat Duck, and if there's a chinese takeaway in the same village that does an absolute roaring trade.

There was definitely a lot of conversation about where the nearest chicken shop was after.

I ended up not finding any more food until about 1:30am after steady drinking from 2pm onwards, but it was a surprisingly good shish taouk.

Then in proper London fashion I fell asleep on the bus and woke up in Leyton at 3am.

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008

therattle posted:

Koya isn't cheap.

Right near Salt Yard is a pub/bar selling draft craft beers: Draft House on the corner of Charlotte and Goodge Streets.

I used to live in a flat just up Charlotte St. from there, and they used to have a pint of daily cask ale for 2.65 which is unreasonably cheap for the area. Might be permanently discontinued though, I was trying to find a pub with my boss for a pie + pint on Friday lunch and it didn't seem to be on the menu.

Good little place though.

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008

Spuckuk posted:

Going back to London after a few years away, just for a weekend. Will be me and a few carnivorous friends in and around Camden, any recommendations?

Hache is definitely on the list, unless they suddenly became crap, but beyond that I'm a wee bit lost.

Although it's not on the top of my recommendation list for places to eat in London, if you want some live music with your food the Camden Blues Kitchen has some surprisingly solid BBQ.

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008

sweek0 posted:

Yeah Camden Blues Kitchen is alright and gets some pretty good acts. Prices are high but it's basically to compensate for the free live music.

Yeah, the regular price was pretty high for what it was, but I went a couple weeks ago to see my sister's band from Canada that was touring the UK, and they had some kind of ribfest running that was pretty good value. I think they have a cheap night each week too.

The_Doctor posted:

Oh, I've been meaning to check that place out. Bodean's is my go to, but DAE find their food cold a lot of the time?

I've only gotten takeaway with work lunches from Bodean's, so yes, but a colleague insisted I go to Red's True BBQ in Manchester with her when we were on a work trip which was pretty tasty. They've opened up a location in Shoreditch which might be worth a try.

Artificial Idiocy fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Apr 29, 2016

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008

Spuckuk posted:


Although I'm glad I'm back up north now, as the price of beer in London is even more brutal than I remembered.

I feel this - I live in London but I was in Manchester on a work trip a couple months ago, and got a pint each for me and my co-worker - when they told me the price, I thought it was for just 1 (under £5 for both).

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008
Doing some research fieldwork in the city tonight, and dinner is on an expense budget. Anyone been to Missouri Angel near Tower Hill? It looks decent, but also open to suggestions of other places around there worth trying. Completely open to any cuisine.

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008

therattle posted:

Really, really good. We had 2 cocktails, a number of vegetarian dishes, and two puddings. It was an outstanding meal. Everything was delicious. I'd go back in a heartbeat.

I tried their other restaurant, Honey & Smoke, a bit ago, and was similarly impressed. Had the prix fixe for 4 people and while everything was delicious, the desserts stood out for me - and I'm not a particularly enthusiastic dessert person. I think it's because they almost all had some balance of sweet and salt or bitter, and some kind of interesting twist, like feta cheesecake.

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008

Horse Clocks posted:

Any thoughts on where I can take my (pregnant) wife for her birthday next week?

She was thinking of going to temper, but they say 'don't eat medium meat when pregnant', but that's what she wants. Conflicted.

On that point, sous vide med rare meat should be safe as long as it is cooked long enough to be pasteurised - if you can find a place, it could be a nice cheat to continue eating non-immolated meat through the pregnancy without worrying about the little one.

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008
I moved to Battersea a few months ago and have to say there are quite a lot of good food options around Clapham Junction station/between the commons.

Recently tried Little Bird, sort of a mediterranean-Asian-Peruvian (ish) fusion, small plates, solid cocktail menu. This is their 2nd location after the first in Chiswick, both have a casual holiday-feel to their decor and a good buzz. Only disappointing dish was the Peruvian black rice with almonds and coconut, which could have been good but was just drastically under-seasoned and bland, and there was no salt & pepper on our table. Seared tuna sashimi in ponzu was great.

Just across the street is the Walrus Room, which has very good cocktails for about 9 quid and seems like a great date spot.

There's also a place on Northcote road called Vagabond wines, which is a bit pseudo-industrial hipster chic and can get quite crowded, but they do wine dispensing machines on a card payment system. What brought me back again, though, was their fried chicken - it's cooked sous vide first then flash fried, so it's incredibly moist but with a crispy coating and a nice chipotle mayo type sauce. Their menu changes seasonally I believe, so I'm not sure how long that will be available, but definitely a really nice bite.

Plus, there's reasonable quality pho and a Franco Manca within walking distance, a great cheesemonger, local butcher, and a seafood truck, so that's a bonus. I guess what I'm trying to say is Battersea is good.

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008
Any recommendations for a good place for craft beer near Brixton area for a first date this Thursday? Want to stay south due to the looming threat of tube strike plus London cocktail week.

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008
When you guys say box park do you mean Pop Brixton? I do like that place and the weather shouldn't be too bad Thursday.

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008
Thanks for the reccos, probably will try King & Co since I've not been and yeah, the beer at Pop is a bit underwhelming. Unless you're getting 4 bottles of Chang for a tenner at the vietnamese place but probably not the best first date plan..

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008

The_Doctor posted:

But there is also a Box Park in Shoreditch that's full of good food places too.

Is that Dinerama? I was there a few weeks ago, it's got a lot more going on than Pop but paying cover for the privilege of being able to go buy food feels a bit dirty. The gin stand has some interesting tonic selection however.

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008
In Peckham and Camberwell you also have Silk Road which is great Xinjiang style Chinese food, Zeret kitchen for Ethiopian, and Spike and Earl which has kitchen takeovers on a rotating basis which can be great.

One of them, a sort of pan-South American/ Asian fusion, opened a street food stall in the parking garage under Frank's as well recently.

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008

The_Doctor posted:

Here’s a different question... where to nap in central London?

I’m in town for the day, but I’ve been up a few hours already, and it’s only 9am and I’m already shattered. I’ve got a schedule for today with some gaps, and I’m plotting to grab a half hour here or there to power nap. But where?

Go to John Lewis or Debenhams and 'test' lie on a mattress. By the time anyone figures out you're actually sleeping and summons the nerve to wake you up, you'll have already gotten in a solid power 20.

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008
Zeret Kitchen in Camberwell is excellent, not super close to Greenwich but not terribly far. In Greenwich check out The Green Pea for solid traditional Sunday roast or pie and chips done right.

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008
I'm taking my girlfriend for dinner on her birthday in a couple weeks and was going to do steak at Hawksmoor - I know it's tried and true, and neither of us have done steak there yet, just Sunday roast. But I waslooking around and found Lurra in Marylebone, which does Basque beef - ex-dairy cows over 14 years old - anyone tried there?

I recently tried an ex dairy rib eye our local butcher had, and it is quite unique. Very intense beefy flavour and fat, which is a yellow colour due to the grass diet and age. If you like steak definitely worth a try if you can find it.

Anyway if anyone has an opinion on Lurra would be appreciated, otherwise I know I can't go wrong with Hawksmoor.

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008

tarbrush posted:

Ah, good call.

Pop Brixton is also good if you're looking for food market type places

Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008
I just went down a rabbit hole of reading Josephine's reviews out of curiosity, as it's been on my to-try list for a while, and it looks like the owner takes the time to answer every 1 star review with a wall of text of sputtering accusations and insults, so it may be worth visiting just for the entertainment.

That said, there's quite a lot around Fitzrovia. Salt Yard on Goodge St for tapas, Lima for Peruvian though I think a bit spendier and will need reservations at either of those two. Looks like a Vagabond wines has just opened on Charlotte St, which usually has good small plates and gimmicky but wide selection of wine dispensers you pay for with a pre loaded card.

Edit: the best fried chicken I've ever had was at Vagabond in Battersea, which was brined and cooked sous vide before flash frying, so incredibly tender and juicy inside and crispy outside. They don't have it any more.

Artificial Idiocy fucked around with this message at 08:51 on Sep 19, 2019

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Artificial Idiocy
Jul 11, 2008

therattle posted:

That Vagabond has been around for years. It’s very nice. Salt Yard is great. Honey & Co is great but needs reservations. They’ve got a sister place; I’m sure same applies. You’re going to have trouble finding good and no reservation needed.

Ah I lived on Charlotte St. about 6 years ago, and worked in Oxford circus until 3 years ago; didn't remember it being there then, but don't spend as much time in central London anymore. I probably walked past dozens of times and just never noticed.

And agree, Honey & Co and sister Honey & Smoke are both excellent. Normally I'm not a big dessert person, but would make an exception here. Many of them have a savoury or salty balance as well, like the feta cheesecake, or bitter coffee granita on another dessert. Definitely book, they aren't very big.

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