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Mister Kingdom posted:The sequel is sure to suck. They need to leave well enough alone. Probably suck as much as that Hobgoblins sequel.
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Mister Kingdom posted:The sequel is sure to suck. I can't help but laugh at this statement.
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Quixotic Pickle posted:Satellite News has an update about the other Manos project going on at torgolives.com. Apparently they start filming the sequel they've been talking about forever next week. I did like the "whatever happened to" update on the actress who played Margaret at least. Sounds like she found quite a bit of success after Manos, which isn't too surprising...  
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Sporadic posted:With Mike Nelson's appearance and Ben Solo's silence since, I hope that means some serious talks with Legend Films have started. Mike and Bill and I have gotten in touch, but that's all I think I should say at the moment. penismightier posted:Ebert just tweeted about this. This is the least likely part of this whole unlikely project! Wonder if he's seen Manos or if he just knows it by reputation? If only it were still possible to have one of his awesome DVD commentaries- but I guess I can only reread my copy of 'Your Movie Sucks' and dream... LP97S posted:The only problem I see with this is that the film doesn't have a soundtrack. Maybe that other 16mm print does and they can transfer it or something? Exactly, and since it isn't missing any footage at the beginning or ending it's not a bad source at all. Though I do have a lead about where to find a clean soundtrack IF it still exists... not gonna be easy though. JBark posted:If a short HD clip ever gets posted in the future after the scanning is complete, I'll probably force the guys here to run it through the conversion process, just to see how it turns out. Move over, Episode One! Y-Hat posted:Pressure's on, Ben Solo- important eyes are watching. I swear I won't undergo a meltdown before this project is finished like that gentleman who was restoring The Thief and the Cobbler.
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Ben Solo posted:Exactly, and since it isn't missing any footage at the beginning or ending it's not a bad source at all. Though I do have a lead about where to find a clean soundtrack IF it still exists... not gonna be easy though. This isn't the most practical suggestion, but given how much of the dialog was done in post, maybe you could get a new voice cast? edit. For clarity, I mean more as an additional bonus feature. I'd like to see this restored as closely as possible to the original. Maarak fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Dec 2, 2011 |
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When I see this post, I hear the haunting Torgo theme in my head. So I hope you find the soundtrack. And 3D for this would be too perfect, although I am a stickler about preserving the original horror first. I hope I can find some more money to give you for this when you start collecting funding.
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Maarak posted:This isn't the most practical suggestion, but given how much of the dialog was done in post, maybe you could get a new voice cast? That would be a pretty sweet alternate audio track, actually. I makes me interested to see how much a visual and audio cleanup would affect the feel of the movie. e: And hell, it's not like you're gonna have a hard time finding people willing to voice act for this.
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Maarak posted:This isn't the most practical suggestion, but given how much of the dialog was done in post, maybe you could get a new voice cast?  Please don't do this. What's the point of a restoration if you're just gonna do this? Dissapointed Owl fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Dec 2, 2011 |
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Goon project!
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Noxville posted:Goon project!
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Maarak posted:This isn't the most practical suggestion, but given how much of the dialog was done in post, maybe you could get a new voice cast? (That said, a What's Up Tiger Lily?-style total redub could have potential...)
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Maarak posted:This isn't the most practical suggestion, but given how much of the dialog was done in post, maybe you could get a new voice cast? I thought fan dubs were for anime geeks. We're above that, I think. *silently pets working Tom Servo replica*
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Start taking donations for the project, and then do a fan dub as an additional soundtrack on the DVD/Blu-ray using all the people who made the largest donations.
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Brown Moses posted:Start taking donations for the project, and then do a fan dub as an additional soundtrack on the DVD/Blu-ray using all the people who made the largest donations. If he is in talks with the Rifftrax guys, he may not need any donations at all, otherwise he is squandering his 15 minutes without having a kickstarter set up yet.
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RagingBoner posted:he is squandering his 15 minutes without having a kickstarter set up yet. I really don't understand why it hasn't happened yet. I want to contribute. 
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Why cookie Rocket posted:I really don't understand why it hasn't happened yet. I want to contribute. Mostly because he's probably talking with various groups about restoration funding before deciding to do it himself.
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I meant more that it could be a fun bonus thing, I've edited the other post to reflect that.
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The guy doing the Manos sequel made this comment in the Satellite News article that was linked a bit earlier:quote:on “Manos in HD”. The gentlemen who owns the print and I have spoken at length. Barring any contract bog-downs, I am planning on funding his restoration. And tho he has a “working” print. I have legal possession of the “Originals” (all of them) and I also have 6 canisters of outtakes/edits/bonus mats! I had the idea to restore “Manos” in HD 2 years ago. Jackey Neyman-Jones (Debbie)sent me the link to the guy making “Manos HD”. So, I was like: WTF? (so was Hall Warren’s son, He is tired of everyone raping his dads creation, tho it was his own fault for not copyrighting the film). So, I approached the young man and since he is so passionate about the material, offered to fund the project. To that end, he is more focused on keeping the history alive, whereas I want to do something more. I plan on releasing a “special edition” of “Manos” w/ new footage, sound design, voice acting, edits, soundtrack…all from ideas from Hal Warren himself! (he had told his son of plans to do so). So, there will be an HD version of “Manos” and my “special edition” (for fun… I know this will piss off a lot of peeps, but… relax, lol). I will have cast commentary, interviews, and tons of fun features. Keep in mind, as I’ve said before… I am sharing all my profits w/ the original cast members and (in some cases) their families. I encouraged the young man to do the same… however, I don’t think he shares my vision/ethics in this. That could ultimately be a deal breaker. But, if he prefers to go it alone, I will still pursue this myself. I just prefer us to be working together. After all, I always try to work w/ people who are passionate for the material. Ok. Off to the desert. Peace~ Torgo So it's possible a kickstarter might not even be necessary, although maybe it's just me, but this guy sounds kind of dickish in his posting.
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Ballz posted:The guy doing the Manos sequel made this comment in the Satellite News article that was linked a bit earlier: Ben Solo, you unethical bastard, not giving money to people for no reason when you do all the work!
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That guy seems like he'd be the biggest pain in the rear end to work with/for, and comes off as delusionally self-important and domineering about the whole thing. I'd avoid him completely. I mean, come on, "the young man". You should be so lucky as to work with him, boy! Supercar Gautier fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Dec 2, 2011 |
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Ballz posted:on “Manos in HD”. The gentlemen who owns the print and I have spoken at length. Barring any contract bog-downs, I am planning on funding his restoration. And tho he has a “working” print. I have legal possession of the “Originals” (all of them) and I also have 6 canisters of outtakes/edits/bonus mats! I had the idea to restore “Manos” in HD 2 years ago. Jackey Neyman-Jones (Debbie)sent me the link to the guy making “Manos HD”. So, I was like: WTF? (so was Hall Warren’s son, He is tired of everyone raping his dads creation, tho it was his own fault for not copyrighting the film). So, I approached the young man and since he is so passionate about the material, offered to fund the project. To that end, he is more focused on keeping the history alive, whereas I want to do something more. I plan on releasing a “special edition” of “Manos” w/ new footage, sound design, voice acting, edits, soundtrack…all from ideas from Hal Warren himself! (he had told his son of plans to do so). So, there will be an HD version of “Manos” and my “special edition” (for fun… I know this will piss off a lot of peeps, but… relax, lol). I will have cast commentary, interviews, and tons of fun features. Keep in mind, as I’ve said before… I am sharing all my profits w/ the original cast members and (in some cases) their families. I encouraged the young man to do the same… however, I don’t think he shares my vision/ethics in this. That could ultimately be a deal breaker. But, if he prefers to go it alone, I will still pursue this myself. I just prefer us to be working together. After all, I always try to work w/ people who are passionate for the material. Ok. Off to the desert. Peace~ Torgo Hmm. This guy (Rupert) has talked to me on the phone a few times but I really don't know where he got these ideas. I distinctly remember telling him that he would have to donate just like everyone else. He did offer me a  'percentage' for compensation though.
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Ben Solo posted:Hmm. This guy (Rupert) has talked to me on the phone a few times but I really don't know where he got these ideas. I distinctly remember telling him that he would have to donate just like everyone else. Hahaha, delusion confirmed. In his mind, your project is already his project.
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I just wanted to say that this project is amazing and I'm willing to give some hard-earned pesos to this and buy the BR once it's available.
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Ben Solo posted:If you ever look at actually re-dubbing dialog or otherwise toying with the production audio let me know. I am unfortunately being laid off from my current position as the sound engineer at a production company but I will still have access to their equipment and have been given the blessings of my now former employer to use it for any personal projects as long as it doesn't interfere with any of their productions. ADR, editing, mixing, location recording, the whole shebang.
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Ben Solo posted:Hmm. This guy (Rupert) has talked to me on the phone a few times but I really don't know where he got these ideas. I distinctly remember telling him that he would have to donate just like everyone else. Right, so avoid anything this guy does. Got it.
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There's something wonderful about the possibility of dueling Manos restorations.  You could even say it's... Manos-a-Manos combat! 
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I've got a meeting next week with someone here in Los Angeles that could mean very good things for the future preservation of Manos! It's a person I respect a great deal professionally, and I hope he likes what he sees (no, it's not a celebrity).Sir Lemming posted:There's something wonderful about the possibility of dueling Manos restorations. Full transparency time: when we were talking a little while back, Rupert and I did manage to agree that we're making two legally distinct projects. He's not interested in maintaining the original 1966 edition after all, but in copyrighting a new Special Edition of the original to supplant the old one, which anyone is legally free to attempt. Joe Warren, son of Hal, recently signed over the rights to his inherited Manos outtakes to Rupert's Special Edition (although this was sight unseen, and we don't know yet how long his outtakes are or what they consist of) and up till now they were just going to go with a budget HD transfer in Arizona, where Joe is. I did ask the two of them if I could negotiate a good 2k scanning session on their behalf and oversee the digitizing of whatever outtake footage they have, regardless of length, with no rights given or implied. That way I could at least go home satisfied that Joe's unique footage is preserved well. But if he won't bite, I'll have no choice but to drop the idea and end what little association we've had up to this point. Supercar Gautier posted:Hahaha, delusion confirmed. In his mind, your project is already his project. While I'm a tad bothered by this, and Rupert's refusal to use my name in association with my work, and his assumption that I'm cool with him using my publicly funded restoration as raw material for his Special Edition, I think this little etiquette problem is best resolved somewhere other than the internet. Assuming he isn't already running around El Paso with his Canon 7D, I'll be giving him a little phone call today. thunderspanks posted:If you ever look at actually re-dubbing dialog or otherwise toying with the production audio let me know. I am unfortunately being laid off from my current position as the sound engineer at a production company but I will still have access to their equipment and have been given the blessings of my now former employer to use it for any personal projects as long as it doesn't interfere with any of their productions. ADR, editing, mixing, location recording, the whole shebang. The first priority would definitely be some audio cleanup on the vintage materials we do have. Any chance you're in Los Angeles? I don't have PM here but if you're on the facebook group, message me. Brown Moses posted:Start taking donations for the project, and then do a fan dub as an additional soundtrack on the DVD/Blu-ray using all the people who made the largest donations. This is a beautiful, wonderful idea. Ben Solo fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Dec 2, 2011 |
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Sir Lemming posted:There's something wonderful about the possibility of dueling Manos restorations. The idea of a manos restoration voiced by WWE Diva's and UFC Fighters just doesn't seem to me as what Hal originally had in mind when he made the movie. Anyway this is a really cool project and I just wanted to show my support.
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Ben Solo posted:I've got a meeting next week with someone here in Los Angeles that could mean very good things for the future preservation of Manos! It's a person I respect a great deal professionally, and I hope he likes what he sees (no, it's not a celebrity). You should really get that kickstarter up ASAP. Also, I'd buy you Platinum but my wallet is in my pants, and I'm already in bed. Maybe tomorrow.
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Been following this thread since day one and just wanted to chime in finally and say how magnificent I think it all is, and if you ever put this out on Blu-Ray I will buy a case of them to distribute to everyone I know. Thanks for giving me something to be excited about, Ben Solo.
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Ben Solo, I support you and all you stand for! Don't let this Rupert rear end in a top hat try to bully you on giving him anything, he sounds like a total rear end in a top hat who sounds like he is raping the Manos corpse more than Conrad Brooks been raping Ed Wood's legacy!
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Ben Solo, this whole thing has been amazing but I think you deserve commendations for avoiding the temptation of crowdsourcing/Kickstarter/AND IT'S MADE BY A GOON!!111 hoopla and actually pursuing professionals with experience in restoring films.
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kangal posted:I really hope this snowballs and brings about a bit of an MST3K reunion. I really, really do. Well you can't really get much better than Cinematic Titanic and Rifftrax unless you were extremely invested in Mike or Joel's stories. I gotta know what happens to the bots.
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feedmyleg posted:Well you can't really get much better than Cinematic Titanic and Rifftrax unless you were extremely invested in Mike or Joel's stories. I gotta know what happens to the bots. I just want the two teams to come together and work some kind of crazy comedy team-up. Rifftrax and Cinematic Titanic Presents: Manos- The Hands Of Fate!
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Rupert sounds a bit less condescending in his latest comment on Satellite News (line breaks added by me to preserve sanity):quote:Well, time will tell if ManosHD guy and I find enough common ground to work together. I feel we recently had a good chat where both sides were understood. I will retract my statement about funding his restoration as he just informed me he will fund it himself via donations. Sometimes words on the Internet can be misconstrued, so I don't want to gang up on this guy over a single snarky message board comment. He sounds much more reasonable in this post, although he does seem pretty hung up on compensating the actors and families from the original movie. But then, he has befriended and is in direct contact with several of them, so from his perspective, I can understand wanting to see them actually get something out of this whole thing aside from cinematic infamy. I think logically it'd probably be better if he does his sequel/George Lucas special edition thing while Ben Solo goes on his own with his cinematically restored Criterion-quality release. The two are pretty different from one another and can rather easily co-exist side by side.
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