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FedEx Mercury
Jan 7, 2004

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Lipstick Apathy

I got to thinking this op was kind of gayass and nobody reading it anymore so now it's gone.

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FedEx Mercury
Jan 7, 2004

Me bad posting? That's unpossible!


Lipstick Apathy

Reserved

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Renoistic
Jul 27, 2007

Everyone has a
guardian angel.


I think the new game looks pretty good

Songbearer
Jul 12, 2007


Fuck you say?


This party's getting crazy! Let's rock!

I hate anime stuff, but I picked DMC3 up a few years back and holy poo poo it was just so corny and fun at the same time that I fell in love with it. It was the first action brawler game I played and if you take all of the goofiness in stride it's a great little romp with some very satisfying, easy to pick up but difficult to master gameplay.

I have no idea what to think of the remake. The new Dante seems kind of odd, but from what I've seen of the trailers there might be some good ideas in there.

Mr Fahrenheit
Dec 10, 2010

Travelin' at the speed of light.

I honestly was on the hate train for this game when it was announced because of the redesign and the new team, but the fight trailer doesn't look bad. I'm gonna go ahead and say his appearance either changes due to gameplay/story, or that isn't really Dante. He fights A LOT like Nero, from the way he handles the sword and the way he uses the chain attacks like Devil Bringer. Maybe he's Nero's son?

Farbtoner
May 17, 2011

by Y Kant Ozma Post


No discussion of Dante's re-design is complete without reminding everybody that he's practically the lead designer's self-insert:

SpazmasterX
Jul 13, 2006

Wrong about everything XIV related
~fartz~


^^^That was the old design. It's quite a bit different in the fight trailer.

I'm led to think this will be a prequel. Like, even before DMC3. It would explain why he looks younger, and why his "devil trigger" makes him look like he normally did in the later games. Like this game will explore how he discovers his heritage.

Dongslayer.
May 25, 2009

We don't need Rome telling us what to do.


The new Dante looks like Robert Pattinson, and I still find that less offensive then the old character design.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.


Apparently it's an alternate universe type deal.

That's why Team Ninja Dante is half-angel now as well. The cynic in me says that this is because of the enormous backlash when the trailer first aired.

Oh, and here's Dante's new look.




God that's so much better than the first version!

SpazmasterX
Jul 13, 2006

Wrong about everything XIV related
~fartz~


Is there an article or interview with that info?

Mr Fahrenheit
Dec 10, 2010

Travelin' at the speed of light.

Pesky Splinter posted:

Apparently it's an alternate universe type deal.

That's why Team Ninja Dante is half-angel now as well.


Do you have a link to an article that talks about this? I didn't know about the "half-angel" bits, and my Google-fu is failing me.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.


Give me a sec.

[e]:

Ninja Theory posted:

The Dante of DmC is a young man discovering and coming to terms with what it means to be the child of a demon and an angel. This split personality has a major impact on gameplay with Dante being able to call upon angel and demon abilities at will, transforming his Rebellion sword on the fly to dramatically affect both combat and movement.

Source: http://www.ninjatheory.com/games.php


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Yodzilla
Apr 29, 2005

Now who looks even dumber?

Beef Witch


Farbtoner posted:

No discussion of Dante's re-design is complete without reminding everybody that he's practically the lead designer's self-insert:



This is loving hilarious.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Thank you... and thank you!


My feeling on DmC is this:

I'd be interested in it if it wasn't a DMC game. Everything they've shown about it makes it look bad in the areas where DMC is usually strong. The combat looks slow and boring and the weapons seem dull and unimaginative and in general nothing I've seen of the combat looks any good, and the characters look generic as hell, and not even in the crazy way that DMC guys were generic.

The platforming sequence they showed off, however, looked like, if the game was devoted to stuff like that, it could be fun. It was rough, but it could be polished easily enough. The concept of being trapped in a living city that wants to kill you sounds like an ideal platformer location.

Coughing Hobo
Jun 29, 2005

If I'm to choose between one evil and another,
I'd rather not choose at all.


ImpAtom posted:

My feeling on DmC is this:

I'd be interested in it if it wasn't a DMC game. Everything they've shown about it makes it look bad in the areas where DMC is usually strong. The combat looks slow and boring and the weapons seem dull and unimaginative and in general nothing I've seen of the combat looks any good, and the characters look generic as hell, and not even in the crazy way that DMC guys were generic.

The platforming sequence they showed off, however, looked like, if the game was devoted to stuff like that, it could be fun. It was rough, but it could be polished easily enough. The concept of being trapped in a living city that wants to kill you sounds like an ideal platformer location.

This crystallizes my thoughts perfectly. It looks like a decent game, but it doesn't look like a DMC game.

Equilibrium
Mar 19, 2003

by exmarx


ugh nevermind

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Hydrogen_Otter
May 1, 2003


ImpAtom posted:

My feeling on DmC is this:

I'd be interested in it if it wasn't a DMC game. Everything they've shown about it makes it look bad in the areas where DMC is usually strong. The combat looks slow and boring and the weapons seem dull and unimaginative and in general nothing I've seen of the combat looks any good, and the characters look generic as hell, and not even in the crazy way that DMC guys were generic.

The platforming sequence they showed off, however, looked like, if the game was devoted to stuff like that, it could be fun. It was rough, but it could be polished easily enough. The concept of being trapped in a living city that wants to kill you sounds like an ideal platformer location.

Yup, agreed 100%. My dislike in this stems not from the game they've shown, but more that they're passing this off as a Devil May Cry title.

Dongslayer.
May 25, 2009

We don't need Rome telling us what to do.


I don't play these games often. Can someone explain how DMC was different then stuff I compare it to in my head like God of War or Ninja Gaiden? The gameplay trailer looks pretty much like those games so is there a niche I'm missing?

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.


ImpAtom posted:

My feeling on DmC is this:

I'd be interested in it if it wasn't a DMC game. Everything they've shown about it makes it look bad in the areas where DMC is usually strong. The combat looks slow and boring and the weapons seem dull and unimaginative and in general nothing I've seen of the combat looks any good, and the characters look generic as hell, and not even in the crazy way that DMC guys were generic.

The platforming sequence they showed off, however, looked like, if the game was devoted to stuff like that, it could be fun. It was rough, but it could be polished easily enough. The concept of being trapped in a living city that wants to kill you sounds like an ideal platformer location.

Agreed.

The combat looks similar to that in Dante's Inferno. Which is not a good comparison to make. I still don't like the really serious feel the trailers seem to be hinting at, considering that, while the plots are taken seriously at various points in the other games, most of it is just Dante having fun at being a badass.

OldTimeyProspector
May 29, 2010


I was initially interested in this because I thought Heavenly Sword was hilarious and would have loved to see that kind of incredibly corny (corny-er?) take on DMC.

On the other hand, the news of angel/demon Dante just means a dumb "morality" system and probably a generic and boring upgrade tree like in a dozen other games so my interest is waning pretty quickly.

Also I know it sounds really dumb to be complaining about but in a game that's been built around stylish/flashy combat redesigning the lead to look really dull is a serious misstep. New Dante looks like a NPC, not a hero.

FedEx Mercury
Jan 7, 2004

Me bad posting? That's unpossible!


Lipstick Apathy

LegendofDongslayer. posted:

I don't play these games often. Can someone explain how DMC was different then stuff I compare it to in my head like God of War or Ninja Gaiden? The gameplay trailer looks pretty much like those games so is there a niche I'm missing?

The devil is in the details, no pun intended. God of War is to Devil May Cry as Call of Duty is to Doom. It's bigger, fancier, shallower, and more immediately appealing to the LCD.
Ninja Gaiden has a lot of depth, but for me it just never clicked. The game feels way too loose, it never felt like I could pull off the move I meant to.
Devil May Cry, to me, always felt like a sort of ballet. You lock on to an enemy, you dance around it and destroy it with whatever moves are most appropriate to the situation. Plus Dante is just too cool.


As for the new game, I did not know about that half-angel half-demon angle. So Dante is now completely inhuman? That destroys the whole savior angle. Ah well.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.


OldTimeyProspector posted:

I was initially interested in this because I thought Heavenly Sword was hilarious and would have loved to see that kind of incredibly corny (corny-er?) take on DMC.

On the other hand, the news of angel/demon Dante just means a dumb "morality" system and probably a generic and boring upgrade tree like in a dozen other games so my interest is waning pretty quickly.

It's apparently not linked with a morality system. It's his heritage (He's an angel-demon half breed). In the regular DMC games, both he and Vergil are half-demon and half-human.

I read somewhere that it does link into his attacks, like aerial swipes for angel moves, and ground ones for demons or some such symbolic rubbish like that.

It amuses and annoys me when they say he's now a half-angel, considering that it's his humanity, and his mother's humanity that proves to be one of the biggest influences on Dante throughout the game.

It's implied the reason why Sparda is said to be so powerful in the games is because he understood and embraced humanity or something along those lines. After all, Devils never cry, but people can.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.


Found a picture of Dante's Devil...er...Human Trigger form.


On some of the DMC forums there's an unconfirmed report that Capcom will scrap any future installments of the DMC series if this game doesn't sell.

There doesn't seem to be any kind of source on that though, so it's probably just rumour-mill scaremongering.

[e]: Some enemy designs have also surfaced.





I must say, I do like their designs. And that baby has a very Giger-esque head.

[e2]: Someone also made a mock-up of what Vergil would look like in the hands of Ninja Theory.


Hehehe! David Bowie? What the hell are you doing DMC?

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ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Thank you... and thank you!


LegendofDongslayer. posted:

I don't play these games often. Can someone explain how DMC was different then stuff I compare it to in my head like God of War or Ninja Gaiden? The gameplay trailer looks pretty much like those games so is there a niche I'm missing?

Basically, they're a lot more technical and with a greater emphasis on the combat for the sake of combat instead of the GoW-style combat-as-awesome-poo poo. The scoring mechanics play a big part in combat and in general you play DMC to finish stage with an S-rank and get super-awesome unbroken combos and such. The underlying mechanics are usually very solid and there's a lot of variety to enemies. DMC is one of those franchises where you play on harder modes because the game changes instead of to get 'cheevos from enemies with slightly more HP.

Ninja Gaiden is closer to DMC then NG, although they've been moving away from that with the remakes and newer games. It's really just a very different style of game. Ninja Gaiden also has a greater emphasis on pure difficulty while DMC has a greater emphasis on learning and exploiting the mechanics to do cool stuff and get a high score. Getting a Master Ninja rank in NG is relatively easy if you're already capable of finishing the levels, while DMC can easily have people finish the levels with a C/D Rank, but getting an S is like an entirely different game.

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Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.


Combichrist, the band behind the music for the DMC trailer will also be working on the game soundtrack.

Andy LaPlegua posted:


"I'm working on a video game, the soundtrack for a video game as Combichrist and I'm doing some more soundtracks for some movies coming up.

What video game are you doing the soundtrack for?

"Devil May Cry"

That's a huge series...

Yeah, that's definitely a lot of fun to be working with that.

How are you finding it?

"It's very interesting and it's a lot of fun because; I'm used to basing things on my own creations, my own moods, my own fantasy and my own characters and now I'm kind of setting a tune to somebody else's character and somebody else's story line. It definitely makes things different, and since it's a video game I'll do everything it takes to make it feel right for the game and not for the band, so there is a lot of stuff that in there that I would never have used for Combichrist but for a game it just makes perfect sense."
Source: http://sinzine.com/component/k2/ite...-of-combichrist

I'm...honestly not sure what to make of this. It's nowhere near as bad as learning that Korn would be doing the title song for the next Silent Hill game.

HORSEPORN
Oct 7, 2008


LegendofDongslayer. posted:

I don't play these games often. Can someone explain how DMC was different then stuff I compare it to in my head like God of War or Ninja Gaiden? The gameplay trailer looks pretty much like those games so is there a niche I'm missing?

Devil may cry is like if someone put fighting game controls inside GoW. Playing the game itself requires execution with a controller beyond that of just pressing buttons in order. As a professional MvC3 player once told me in a hotel room at Season's Beatings: "Dante is actually harder to play in DMC than he is in Marvel." It's completely true.

i am a bee
Apr 17, 2006
bees, bees, bees, just lookin' for a good time

Pesky Splinter posted:

Combichrist, the band behind the music for the DMC trailer will also be working on the game soundtrack.

Source: http://sinzine.com/component/k2/ite...-of-combichrist

I'm...honestly not sure what to make of this. It's nowhere near as bad as learning that Korn would be doing the title song for the next Silent Hill game.

Past Devil May Crys haven't shied away from cheesy industrial metal. I think it'll be fine.

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

One Nation, Under God.

Didn't the devs of the new game say something about how the visuals may run at 30FPS but the hit-detection still runs at 60FPS so it'll still feel the same? Can someone explain that to me in a way that makes it seem like it isn't complete bullshit?

Antinumeric
Nov 27, 2010

BoxGiraffe


DMC3 and Godhand have incredibly good gameplay. Heck, you actually need to get good and improve at playing the game to get anywhere, let alone win. The combat system is unforgiving, but once you have the hang of it you can absolutely slaughter the enemies while looking cheezily cool. It took me all of university to complete Godhand and get halfway through DMC3 royal guard style, poo poo seeing this is making me want to pick it up all over again.

I mention Godhand because it shares an OTT style and surprisingly deep combat mechanics along with a game you actually need to learn to get good at, whilst at the same time making you want to do so.

limited
Dec 10, 2005
Limited Sanity

I've got say Ninja Theory make some fantastic looking games. So it'll at least look good.

I'm already forseeing the whole, 'grapple jumping' thing becoming a colossal pain in the rear end though. There is ALWAYS one section in every game that uses that mechanic where either hit detection, aiming or a horrible camera come together to drive you insane.

The last boss of DMC4 drove me up the wall because it kept grabbing the wrong poo poo.

Although considering the latest Metal Gear trailer, 2012 might be the year of, 'This looks weird for this franchise, but it works.' Hell, maybe we'll see alternate reality spinoffs of Resident Evil where you play as the jerkoffs from Umbrella in a third person shooter.

Waitafreakinminute..

Chickenfrogman
Sep 16, 2011

by exmarx


Meh, I can't bring myself to have any faith in this game. Enslaved and Heavenly Sword were both complete rear end in terms of combat when compared to DMC 3 or 4, and I do not have any faith in Ninja Theory to be able to pull something as great as those systems together.

If the rumors are true and this either becomes the future of DMC or DMC dies, I'm just gonna keep on waiting for Bayonetta 2.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.


PaletteSwappedNinja posted:

Didn't the devs of the new game say something about how the visuals may run at 30FPS but the hit-detection still runs at 60FPS so it'll still feel the same? Can someone explain that to me in a way that makes it seem like it isn't complete bullshit?

What!? How the hell does that work!?

Antinumeric posted:

DMC3 and Godhand have incredibly good gameplay. Heck, you actually need to get good and improve at playing the game to get anywhere, let alone win. The combat system is unforgiving, but once you have the hang of it you can absolutely slaughter the enemies while looking cheezily cool.

The same is true for Bayonetta. While Yoshesque makes it look easy, the game can be balls-to-the-walls hard. But it's also insanely fun, once you master the art of dodging and weaving.

FedEx Mercury
Jan 7, 2004

Me bad posting? That's unpossible!


Lipstick Apathy

i am a bee posted:

Past Devil May Crys haven't shied away from cheesy industrial metal. I think it'll be fine.

The metal kind of grew on me, but this super techno stuff is really grating on the ears. I don't know, maybe a couple dozen hours of listening will make it sit better. It doesn't sound great though, what's DMC without a guitar?

SGRaaize
Jan 19, 2011
DONT YOU DARE TELL ME HOW THE FUCK TO HAVE FUN IN VIDEOGAMES!!! OR TO READ THE FUCKING OP!!!!

This is not really related to the games at all, but nothing saddens me more than the fact the Manga about the third game was dropped, I was really enjoying it, and it was dropped in what was hyping up to be some cool moments, too

Monkey Fracas
Sep 11, 2010

...but then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you!


Grimey Drawer

I get why Capcom attached the DMC name to this, but it really looks like it has nothing to do with the series beyond vague design elements and the name of the main character. In fact, having to tie the game to DMC in some way is probably holding the game back- it looks like the game would be better suited just having all-original concepts. I would really have absolutely no problem with it if this were the case- however, the game in it's current state (gameplay-wise) doesn't look like it really measures up to 3 or 4, so I really have no problem bashing the HELL out of it.

Seriously Capcom, you knew everyone would hate this and ya went ahead with it anyway. What an utterly rear end in a top hat move- "Whoa, our fans sure are gonna hate this. Psssh, what the hell are they going to do? Not buy the next good game in the series? Yeah right, gently caress 'em."

Dominic White
Nov 1, 2005



The art direction and level design look great. The combat looks perhaps a little slower than it might be, but I'll wait and see how it turns out.

Worst case scenario, it'll have depth maybe on par with God Of War. Fun enough, but you'll have exhausted any subtleties by the time the credits roll, making it an ideal rental. If they really are taking notes from Capcom, then it'll be worthy of proper replay value, though.

I was very cynical about this one when I first saw it, but I don't think it'll be worse than 'good' at this point.

Reive
May 21, 2009



I've always really liked the art design of the new game, I just hope the gameplay stacks up, that's the main draw of DMC, I couldn't give less of a poo poo what they do with the story.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Thank you... and thank you!


Dominic White posted:

The art direction and level design look great. The combat looks perhaps a little slower than it might be, but I'll wait and see how it turns out.

Worst case scenario, it'll have depth maybe on par with God Of War. Fun enough, but you'll have exhausted any subtleties by the time the credits roll, making it an ideal rental. If they really are taking notes from Capcom, then it'll be worthy of proper replay value, though.

I was very cynical about this one when I first saw it, but I don't think it'll be worse than 'good' at this point.

The problem is that GoW style depth without GoW's other strong elements is not a good thing. GoW is very simplistic but uses that in favor of its strong points, turning the combat into part of the setpieces.

A lot of games have tried to copy GoW's combat almost exactly and have done so a lot worse because they failed to realize that GoW's combat is simplistic for very specific reasons and simply copy-and-pasting the gameplay doesn't give you a good game.

Temascos
Sep 3, 2011



All this talk about using the Unreal engine puzzles me, didn't Capcom make a brand new engine for DMC4 then just scrap it? They should have passed it on to Ninja Theory so they could have a game running at 60 FPS!

And what MOTIVATED Capcom to farm out DMC to a developer like Ninja Theory anyway? I loved Heavenly Sword but I cannot fathom why they would be the prime developers for a flagship series, one that Capcom desperately needs to keep running.

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I was never really that good at DMC games but I always enjoyed their gameplay. If DmC turns out to be another God of War clone I'm not gonna have fun with it. Also I want the story to be just as dumb as DMC4's story.

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