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BlackFrost posted:I'm just really disappointed that they're going with New Dante instead of Old Dante in Super PlayStation Smash Stars Brawl. I don't even really mind the new DmC game all that much, it's just the fact that Old Dante would have a lot more room for the developers to have fun. He has a rather large arsenal, and those lines imply that Old Dante was probably who they wanted to use. I suspect they want to differ from other games on the market. DmC Dante avoids crossover with MvC3, sort of like how you can have Raiden instead of Snake.
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Well it's for promotional reasons too, I'd guess. Capcom want to get this game out there, the quickest way is through something they'd expect a lot of people to play and to have a nice sized audience who also like action games. And hopefully (for them) have people go "Hey! Who's this Dante guy? What's he from?" and encouraging them to buy DmC. Same applies to Robo-Rising-Revengeance Raiden. Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Oct 19, 2012 |
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Playstation All Stars Dante pictures  Alternate Outfit - Jacketless Dante  Don't look so down, Dante. With any luck, we'll only ever see your depressing, bland grey rear end in DmC: Devil May Cry and Playstation All Stars, before you're then shelved, so they can bring back the older fun-loving guy.
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Pesky Splinter posted:For those of you that can tolerate him, Angry Joe has an interview with Capcom about their upcoming games. My problem with new Dante's backstory is it at best makes no sense and at worst goes against the whole story they are setting up. Original Dante was part demon and part human, it had the dynamic of his human side being a weakness in the eyes of the demons but a strength to Dante in the end. It made sense that he tried to have a normal life at first because he still is human. Not to mention the whole Sparda angle in having him be with someone infinitely weaker then him because he cared about her. It added a source of contention and a bit of irony in that the only thing keeping Dante in the fight is the same power his enemies have and with out that he's just a normal human. It's no coincidence that classic Dante killed every final boss with his pistol. Then in DMC3 they show that humans can be even worse then demons so Dante's human side isn't immediate proof that he is a good guy. In the end it really turns out to be an underdog story about Dante choosing to be human and not be a crazy demon man the same way Sparda have being most bad rear end hell guy to live with the humans. Then you have new Dante who is now half angel and half demon. There is no struggle for humanity there because he isn't human at all. Sparda didn't give up his bad rear end status to be with someone of a lower status. None of those angles are there anymore it's just duuuur angels are good demons are bad. Like all poorly conceived of fan fiction here is no part of Dante that isn't raising his power. He has no weaknesses now and his story has no human struggle.
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randombattle posted:Then you have new Dante who is now half angel and half demon. There is no struggle for humanity there because he isn't human at all. Sparda didn't give up his bad rear end status to be with someone of a lower status. None of those angles are there anymore it's just duuuur angels are good demons are bad. Like all poorly conceived of fan fiction here is no part of Dante that isn't raising his power. He has no weaknesses now and his story has no human struggle. With no word of hyperbole, I honestly find his new backstory insulting to my intelligence. It is literally the worst kind of fan fiction. The half-angel and half-demon thing is the kind of crap you'd expect to find on Deviant Art, and, like you said, removes the significance of the powerful, Sparda settling down with an ordinary human. And that removes the importance that Eva plays to both Dante and Vergil. Her humanity drives Dante to be who he is, and made him what he is, and he places great importance to that. And it's her death, the comparative weakness of humanity compared to the demons, and his guilt over not being strong enough to protect her, that drives Vergil to see the world how he does (that's just my opinion of it, nothing solid). Of course, DMC doesn't have stellar story telling - it's not meant to. At best, they are cohesive and solid, but average, and at their worst, a jumbled gently caress up. But the point is, they never really make themselves out to be anything other than what they are. They're action games. That's all they need. Why I find DmC's story so insulting, is because NT have basically put so much focus on why it's brilliant and ground breaking and pushing new boundaries blah blah blah. And they've done it, and it's utter tripe. But it's utter tripe that they're trying to palm off as a prime beef steak. It's DMC as written by a bunch of 14 year old Tv tropers, right down to hitting every single loving cliche they could. And this is only the bits we've seen, and without getting into the whole social commentary aspect. I can accept stupid plots and bad plots and cliches and all that. What I can't accept is the attitude of the developers unironically going "This is a mature story, which treats you like an adult", when all they seem to have done is just scour Fanfiction.net for the worst ideas they could find. "How do we make it edgy?" "Make him smoke, gently caress, and swear." "How do we make it cool?" "Have him say 'gently caress!' a load, and have him be like all badass and gently caress chicks, yeah." "How do we make it relevant?" "Stick in Anonymous and V fo Vendetta, and Fox News and CCTV and reality tv." I'm just amazed that given all the creative freedoms they were, this is what they came up with, and thought was a good idea? Man...that's a lot of words about DmC's story. Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Oct 19, 2012 |
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I liked the part when he surfed on a rocket Why won't Ninja Theory let Dante surf on a rocket?
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The Miracle posted:I liked the part when he surfed on a rocket To give them some benefit of the doubt, that sort of thing is hard to do well. People who can do wholehearted excessive over the top stuff need a certain lack of self-consciousness to pull it off properly. Trying to be excessive without actually believing in it tends to come across as weird and false. They appear to be doing something they believe fits their tones better... it just doesn't seem very DMCish.
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The issue is that the tone they're making seems to be all over the place. It shouldn't be "Devil's Got Talent Idol Disco Fighting Stage" one minute and then "super grim crawling in my skin" the next. They can't have their cake and eat it too. Either be campy, or be realistic, not this weird tonally inconsistent middle ground. But then again, they weren't that good with tonal consistency in Enslaved either, now I that think I think about it. [e]: Platinum Games twitter's just announced the release date for Anarchy Reigns  "Finally, gamers in the West can get their hands on #AnarchyReigns Jan 8 in North America for $29.99 and Jan 11 in Europe for £19.99/€24.99! " Though, in regards to the Bayonetta DLC for the game: "Do we get bayonetta as well? Or did we get screwed on that." --"No announcements from SEGA on how we are doing Bayonetta yet." Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Oct 20, 2012 |
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ImpAtom posted:I suspect they want to differ from other games on the market. DmC Dante avoids crossover with MvC3, sort of like how you can have Raiden instead of Snake. Well, at least we can rest easy since Old Dante and Vergil in U/MvC3 are definitely up there in terms of tier. I'm not a big Smash fan and I don't claim to know a lot about how the combat's going to be like, but New Dante in Playstation All-Stars just looks like a faster Kratos. toasterwarrior fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Oct 20, 2012 |
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BlackFrost posted:I'm just really disappointed that they're going with New Dante instead of Old Dante in Super PlayStation Smash Stars Brawl. I don't even really mind the new DmC game all that much, it's just the fact that Old Dante would have a lot more room for the developers to have fun. He has a rather large arsenal, and those lines imply that Old Dante was probably who they wanted to use. One of the costumes for Raiden is his Metal Gear Solid 2 appearance, so there's a chance that you'll get to play as one of Dante's earlier appearances. They'll probably still use the same voice though. So, which game had the best Dante? I'm partial to the first game's one, because I quite like his hairstyle and voice, but he's let down by being a bit too serious.
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Pesky Splinter posted:
How they are doing Bayonetta for what? Not 2 because that has a release date doesn't it?
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Uncle Wemus posted:How they are doing Bayonetta for what? Not 2 because that has a release date doesn't it? Sorry, I'll edit it to make it more clear - the Bayonetta DLC for Anarchy Reigns. They haven't decided how or when they're going to bring that over yet. Anyway, I've put up an Anarchy Reigns thread up for anyone interested. That loving Sned posted:So, which game had the best Dante? I really like 4's version of Dante, though the look of DMC2's version.
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That loving Sned posted:So, which game had the best Dante? I'm partial to the first game's one, because I quite like his hairstyle and voice, but he's let down by being a bit too serious. I can't pick a favorite costume because they all have good and bad parts. It would be a mix of the clothes he wears in 2 and 4.
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You guys are nuts. It's clear that DMC3 Dante is the best one. It's not like his character is any good or interesting, so it may as well be entertaining.
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4th is the best. He's completely chill with all the bullshit that goes on. "You want my twin brother's heirloom katana that opens nethergates? I'm not sure...Oh to save a girl! Well why didn't you loving say so? Keep it!"
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DMC4 Dante takes the cake. He just knows he can beat everything you fight in the game, and he shows it. He is  personified.
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I'm working my way through DMC2 for the HD collection. Urgh. Jokatgulm. I'm reminded of why this game is so bad. Gotta say this though - the music isn't half bad. [e]: Infected Chopper - my thumb is killing me repeatedly tapping the fire button down. What were they thinking? [e2]: At a guess from the way Enslaved went about, Dante's character arc in DmC will consist of him being utterly insufferable for the most part - flip-flopping between being an obstinate utter prick and being a misunderstood nice guy - until the very end where he's meant to suddenly be "mature" now or whatever, which translates to him just being all  at Mundus or Vergil all the time.And with him being "out of place", in a story sense, that's what NT seems to be going for, with the whole half demon/angel thing and being able to peer into Limbo. The more meta response is that it boils down to my earlier point that the tone they're going for is all over the place, because they can't seem to settle down on what they're going for. VVV Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Oct 21, 2012 |
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The Limbo-as-a-system interests me. Previous DMC games played up the locked rooms as arenas, a chance to show off your skills on a bunch of enemies. Why do the doors lock/only so many enemies teleport in/no more than a few waves of reinforcements come in? Because it's the X-Games of violence. The character arc reflects this- Dante doesn't really engage with cutscenes because he's just looking for them to point him to the next room of enemies. With Limbo, though, NT actually tries to engage the concept that Dante is an invader, someone there to mess up a system. Your enemy is bigger, conceptually, than just a thing to hit, so the environment's opposed to you as well. At least, from the previews, the environments show promise. The character of New Dante, however, is so far out of place, I'm starting to wonder if it's deliberate. Mundus, apparently, is the personification of capitalist consumerism, and we're supposed to buy their product to defeat him. Dante can't "win", his quest is balls stupid from the get-go. But there's the thing- Dante's not a person. He's a franchise- half angel, half demon at that. Think of him as Apple Computers. It is the largest American corporation that has ever existed, and yet, it is seen as hip, ethical, artistic, and revolutionary. Dante appropriates the "cool" of the prior DMC games, rebrands it as counter-culture, and sets itself as the foe of corporate culture (think of Apple v. Microsoft, DeLorean v. GM, or Chipotle v. Fast Food). That picture of Dante with the angels, though, sticks with me. It's such a bizarrely immature depiction of sexuality. It screams virginity and an awareness drawn more from porn fantasy than actual women. Duke Nukem always had a blue-collar honesty to his hedonism, but this just reeks of compensation. But if previous DMC games have a character arc of immaturity-to-sympathy and aloofness-to-genuineness, I'm wondering, hey, maybe this game might have something in mind. Also, DMC3 Dante owned. That is all.
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toasterwarrior posted:DMC4 Dante takes the cake. He just knows he can beat everything you fight in the game, and he shows it. He is It's kinda hard to defeat the Literal King of Demons and look at anything else and think, "Yeah, I'm going to have some trouble killing that." The fact that he's just so insufferable about it makes him really entertaining in that game. Though, he does have trouble bringing the Savior down, and basically couldn't do it without Nero's help. Which is interesting, since Dante has some experience with killing giant, sentient statues. You'd think he'd just use his Space Dragon powers again. ...I miss Dante's Space Dragon powers.
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DMC4 Dante was the hardest boss fight in the game and, when defeated, responds by playfully whacking you on the back of the head and leaping out of the arena in a single bound. Devils never cry and Dante never gives a gently caress.
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Oxxidation posted:DMC4 Dante was the hardest boss fight in the game and, when defeated, responds by playfully whacking you on the back of the head and leaping out of the arena in a single bound. And when he first fights Nero, he says nothing, but silently mocks him - even pretending to rev up his sword when Nero does. And then later he hams it up with Angus. DMC4 Dante is awesome.
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Having just played DMC 2 for the first time via the HD collection, I have to wonder if this game could have been saved if they hadn't completely lobotomized Dante's personality. If Dante had his DMC 3 or DMC 4 personality, would it have been labeled as the worst DMC game? I wonder if Ninja Theory should have played DMC 2 first before trying to make their Dante too cool/serious for school. Anyhoo, I think I still like DMC 3's Dante and devil's arms the best. They went sort of overboard on the cheese factor with Dante in 4 and I don't really find the other weapons all that interesting. Having said that though, I absolutely love being able to swap styles on the fly and wish there was a way to put that into 3.
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While I didn't like Dante's lack of personality in 2, that was not the game's chief problem. Even removing the story and characters from the equation, DMC2 is still the worst in the series for having the worst gameplay.
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Dante's personality in 2 is the least of its problems. The terrible ultra-brown/gray level design, slow combat, bland enemies and terrible underwater sections among many other things were what made it suck so badly. DmC looks way better than 2, though the enemy designs seem to be mostly GOLDEN HUMANOID FIGURE like in that game.
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Pesky Splinter posted:
That's literally the exact same character arc in DMC3. I hope that's not what they're going for again.
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notZaar posted:That's literally the exact same character arc in DMC3. I hope that's not what they're going for again. Well they are aiming for another origin story...except this time, there'll probably be more and more family melodrama, except only entertainingly bad, as opposed to just entertaining.They've actually brought up DMC3's story on one or more occasions. And you can already see a few fleeting parallels here and there: * Player meets underdressed Dante, who then proceeds to get stick his jacket on about just after the tutorial * Presence of Vergil - admittedly, seeing as how he's mute in DMC1, DMC3 Vergil's about as much as they've got with the character. * They're both origin stories. And in HD DMC2 chat, I'd forgotten how easy this game was, even on the harder difficulties. I'd also forgotten how tedious fighting in this game was. [e]: Just finished Dante's playthrough. Now to Lucia and her terrible bosses. 
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Come now, the DMC series' stories have always been entertainingly bad; it's just that DmC's story looks just plain bad.
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Pesky Splinter posted:[e]: Just finished Dante's playthrough. Now to Lucia and her terrible bosses. Then S-rank all the missions with both characters 
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toasterwarrior posted:Come now, the DMC series' stories have always been entertainingly bad; it's just that DmC's story looks just plain bad. That's a better way of putting it, than what I wrote. SSNeoman posted:Then S-rank all the missions with both characters No. I'm not insane.  Oh, and in DmC news, the date for the DmC Demo is to be announced soon.
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Pesky Splinter posted:Oh, and in DmC news, the date for the DmC Demo is to be announced soon. Great, can't wait to button mash the slurm boss to death after seeing people play for months already. 
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Splinter why on earth are you even playing DMC2? Do you want to be able to definitively compare DmC to it when it comes out? I can't figure out why you would spend so much time on such a bland old game.
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notZaar posted:Splinter why on earth are you even playing DMC2? Do you want to be able to definitively compare DmC to it when it comes out? I can't figure out why you would spend so much time on such a bland old game. Nah, it's just as I'm working my way through the HD collection, and because I just fancied something mindless to playthrough, on a lazy Sunday. And someone mentioned playing it for the first time in the thread, and it's been a very long time since I played that one, so I figured 'what the hell'. And because I'm marvelling at all the shades of HD brown. It's not with a conscious effort to compare anything. Though I will say this much, when it comes to the gameplay of DmC vs DMC2, there's no comparison - DmC will trump it. It has variety (of weapons and colours), and some of the features carried over from the better games (i.e not the weird direction input thing from DMC2), and not least, it'll have at least some visually interesting levels. And without going into too much  (as I write way too much crap as it is), parts of DMC2 design's facinate me, in a kinda trainwreck way.
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Pesky Splinter posted:And when he first fights Nero, he says nothing, but silently mocks him - even pretending to rev up his sword when Nero does. Yup. In fact, that's the whole drat point. The character is supposed to be fun. There's a reason people like Dante as a character: It's fun to play as him while beating the poo poo out of hordes of demons. 4 had issues, but Dante's character was an absolute joy to play as, and to watch when you're playing Nero. As mentioned earlier, the way your fight ends against Dante is a great example. Or his entire sequence with the weapon Lucifer when he closes the gate. The whole purpose of the character is to instill a sense of fun. You get to play a hammy over-the-top wiseass who gives no fucks. See also: Bayonetta as a character. This Dante? Where's the joy in playing as him? They changed his character, but they also sucked all the fun out of his personality. Once again, the people behind this game had an idea, but absolutely don't understand what they should be doing when they update him. Now he's just some angsty rebel and I couldn't care less. Something something slow combat.
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Here's something interesting: DmC: Son of Sparda Edition  Contains: *Game *Dante's Necklace *Samurai Pack DLC And the price is €69.98 (approx: $91, £56, AUS-$87) I think the presentation is rather nice, at least. And here's a picture of a devil star also.  The demo for DmC will also be playable at the London Comic-con. Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Oct 25, 2012 |
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So Amazon's got the HD Collection list at about 16 bucks, is it worth it? I don't know if the HD Collection has a lot of problems or not, but I heard it wasn't too hot.
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Sex_Ferguson posted:So Amazon's got the HD Collection list at about 16 bucks, is it worth it? I don't know if the HD Collection has a lot of problems or not, but I heard it wasn't too hot. It's basically a straight port job. I haven't come across any bugs or glitches, it looks okay, and plays exactly the same as the originals. They were lazy with DMC1's menu (it's in the old format), but other than that, it's basically all the same. [e]: Here's the HD thread. Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Oct 25, 2012 |
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Pesky Splinter posted:
Again, gently caress YOU Capcom. I've wanted a version of the Amulet for years, and when you finally give us one, it's from this trainwreck? gently caress you with a rusty mace.
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The HD collection is worth it just to have DMC 1 use the newer game control scheme (X for jumping instead of attacking or whatever it was on the PS2). The only thing I hate about the HD collection is that they didn't try to upsample any of the main pre-rendered cutscenes. So the game looks great until it goes into one of those then it's painfully obvious that it's a PS2 game.
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I recently just picked up DMC HD Collection for Xbox 360 myself to try and ease my disdain regarding DmC. Also, I never played DMC2 because I heard it was bad, so I thought it'd be a good excuse to give that a go as well as just replaying 1 and 3. And yeah, I'm not digging DMC2 nearly as much as 1 and 3 so far. Somehow the visuals and just overall presentation of it just don't seem as good as DMC1? I'm not sure if it's graphically or just the aesthetics of the game or whatever. Also just the combat doesn't seem as fun. Seems trickier to combo and stuff. Also, that one time with the infested tanks I was thinking "oh well I guess this party might be about get somewhat crazy", but I could just wail on it without having to dodge or anthing, even getting an S combo going. Still love 3 though.
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