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The other thing about God of War's combat is that while it has a much lower skill threshold than DMC, it's got more meat to it than some people think--so while you can just get away with triangle-triangle-triangle if you're boring, you can also remember to use other moves in the right context that make fights end faster and look cool as hell. It's simple, but it remains fun and satisfying. Compare this to, like, the latest Castlevania (which I did enjoy), which tries to do God of War and does -okay- but the combat really doesn't feel very directed or satisfying in the same way.
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Jan 17, 2012 00:30
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God, the current Japanese game industry is the biggest group of self-flagellants since the Black Death.
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Mar 8, 2012 22:23
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Pesky Splinter posted:It would also help them a great deal to not stick their foot in mouth in interviews, and talk about the drat gameplay not how they've "improved"... the character of Dante. I understand why they're doing this. Everyone's overreaction when this title was announced was about Dante. They changed Dante! He has black hair now! He looks like the lead designer! Boo hoo hoo hoo. There was so much angst about this, how could they not think that people actually give a poo poo about Dante outside of how he plays?
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Mar 29, 2012 15:18
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ImpAtom posted:Because if they think that people disliking the new design means they wanted a serious story about Dante, they seriously misunderstood the complaints. I have no doubt that the story in this game will be just as slight as in any other Devil May Cry, but in terms of pre-release hype and marketing, as far as they're concerned, they're still in damage control. If fans had made as much of a stink about how slow and chunky the gameplay looked instead of letting those complaints be a rumbly undercurrent to the wails of rage about Dante's new coat and badittude, we'd probably have more substantive information about gameplay by now.
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Mar 29, 2012 15:26
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DMC1 has a rotten camera. No matter how much else in the game is excellent, the camera placement is just absolutely horrible in a way that makes DMC3 and 4 better by default for me.
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I never really used Gunslinger because it brings up bad memories of killing everything with guns in DMC2.
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Devil May Cry fans to Ninja Theory: "Now you've really crossed the line."
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Jun 27, 2012 17:40
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quote:Stinger : Double tap foward on the joy stick What the fuuuuck? Has anyone anywhere ever enjoyed a game mechanic that involved 'double tapping' a button to do anything? It's annoying even in Kirby for God's sake.
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Jun 28, 2012 21:31
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Did earlier games have double-tapping to activate Stinger as an option? I didn't even realize. I use stinger all the time, though, and this one piece of news just made me go from "I guess I'll check this game out eventually" to "gently caress this poo poo" in my expectations. I'm having flashbacks to playing Circle of the Moon (double tap to run, p.s., you always want to run!) on the Gamecube's GBA Player using a Gamecube's analog stick. Not good times.
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Jun 28, 2012 21:42
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Fans of the series, put your fears to rest. Different though he may look, this is definitely the same Kratos we've come to know and love over the years.
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quote:I try to switch weapons mid combo which works fine but even if the combo is the same botton sequence switching weapons restarts the combo so no mixing and matching weapons even with the same combo Wow, this game sounds like a real piece of poo poo! quote:it's a vast improvement on DMC4. 
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Jul 13, 2012 20:38
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The cognitive dissonance is astounding. He's describing clear problems with the game mechanics and then blaming himself for it because holy poo poo he got to play the new Devil May Cry demo, guys! and it has some good stuff in it, so maybe the bad stuff is just 'cause he was tired or doing it wrong? Probably.
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Jul 13, 2012 21:06
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Yeah, I was indifferent to the character redesign and the tone change (i.e., xtreme fuckwords) and the social commentary idiocy. The other games had this really weird "Japanese anime fantasy pretends to be rock-and-roll but can't decide if that means 'metal' or 'punk'" thing going on that I never really got, so whatever. No great loss, just replacing one kind of middle-school cool with another. Everything about the gameplay that's come out in the past couple months has just looked terrible, though. 
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Jul 30, 2012 20:28
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Pesky Splinter posted:DMC4 had a few awkward platforming sections too - there's one where Nero has to stand on platforms, and wait for others to spawn while being attacked by some really annoying enemies, and it's basically padding. I didn't mind those parts, but I loving hated DMC4's platforming when it involved the grappling hook arm thing. I think God of War's platforming is, like, minimum benchmark for a brawler game. If you can't match that or do better, then don't even bother.
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Aug 17, 2012 20:46
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If it were a new IP I'd be thinking "well here's a game that looks like some Dante's Inferno poo poo and that I will never ever buy or rent" as opposed to "oh it's a new Devil May Cry maybe I'll buy it when it's in the 10 dollar bin, 'cause it looks like it's gonna be pretty bad."
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Aug 17, 2012 21:02
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Alteisen posted:Platinum releases statement regarding Bayonettas exclusivity. Read between the lines: without Nintendo's backing, a sequel wouldn't have happened at all.
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Sep 14, 2012 19:11
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Well, if there's one thing Megaman is known for, it's its trademark escape missions.
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Sep 22, 2012 20:49
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"How do you fight this type of evil? This is the type of evil we wanted to explore in DmC." By... hitting it with a sword, apparently?
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Oct 15, 2012 22:56
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Mmm, yes, if there's one thing the Devil May Cry series is known for, it's its scholarly and accurate representation of the various mythologies and folklores what it done took names from.
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Nov 2, 2012 21:09
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Considering his hair still goes white in demon form or whatever I doubt that's actually "satirizing" (what?) the fan reaction so much as it's a predictable bit of characterization that symbolically foreshadows how he will have to learn to accept his ~true nature~ in a series of very Art cutscenes.
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Nov 8, 2012 21:53
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Still images are one thing. If there's no confusion during gameplay then Dante's redesign is no problem (and please don't bring up that stupid Sequlitis Castlevania video to 'prove' how characters need to have drastic contrast and 'pop'). Those awful promo paintings aside--which half of you seem to love anyway--the art direction in this project is one of its high points. Continuing to complain about the redesign just feeds into the narrative that the previous fans of this series who are skeptical about NT's approach are just dumb scared babies who can't let go of their animes. It's fine. If you thought Dante previous to this didn't look stupider than hell, or that the stories weren't cringeworthy and try-hard and overly serious in places, then you weren't paying attention. The real reason--the only reason--why previous fans of the series should be concerned about this game--and they should be concerned about it--is that the gameplay systems as shown so far and as described so far are severely questionable. Yeah, Dante's punk-rock-by-committee and Vergil looks like a derpy goon, and that's funny to an extent, but please don't hold the series that gave us "lightning bolt corset" Trish and Arius and 3/4 of the cast of DMC4 as some kind of ideal from which we have now fallen so far because Dante has a grey coat.
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Nov 9, 2012 20:31
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Monkey Fracas posted:I think you're missing the point- this series is very much about being gaudy and goofy and not concerning itself with making it's characters look fashion-conscious. This statement brought to you by Diesel® jeans!
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Nov 9, 2012 20:43
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Uncle Wemus posted:Its funny because 2 was the worst in the series and was the one that had Diesel jeans. The joke is that the games have always been obsessed with looking cool. It has a Style meter that you use to build Style and are graded on how Stylish you are. DMC2's Diesel thing is not an aberration. Disbelieve it if you want, but DMC3 Dante is supposed to look cool.
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Pesky Splinter posted:I thought this was why the issue was being brought up. Short of the videos where he's in direct sunlight (the orangey city ones), it's like he tends to fade into the background slightly. Without even going into comparisions with the Old Dante design, a very dark colour like his jacket gets lost in some of the very greyish/dark blue/green levels. A faded rusty red on his lapels and hoodie isn't gonna cut it when most of the time you're going to be looking at his back. Have the people who've played it said anything about losing him in the action? If they have, then it's a problem.
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Neo Rasa posted:Devil May Cry is a pretty interesting series actually in this respect. The original was one of the last major games where you had a lot of agency with regards to how you navigate the game world instead of having tons of context sensitive points to do specific actions from. [Citation Needed]
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TyroneGoldstein posted:You know, reading this thread...the parallels between this game and Lords of Shadow is pretty eerie. How so? Previous 3D Castlevanias received lukewarm receptions at best and even huge fans of the series like myself knew it was starving to death on the DS, no matter how much we liked the games. Except for the second game, Devil May Cry has always been a resounding critical success, and was a much bigger commercial success than Castlevania had ever been. The only thing these situations have in common are that they're both series from floundering Japanese developers that have been outsourced to foreign studios.
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ImpAtom posted:Well, I don't know about anyone else, but I bought DMC2 basically sight unseen after DMC1. v Yeah, I saw a bunch of bad reviews but I was like "the first one was so good, there's no way those reviews are right. They couldn't have fallen off that far." Ha, ha, ha.
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I don't know, as far as I'm concerned, the gameplay looks like utter pabulum. Without the name behind it I doubt it would have made any waves at all, even to the point of selling 'decently.' Did Dante's Inferno do well? Because over and over that's what comes to mind when I watch gameplay videos, and even then it had the whole "okay how did they turn The Divine Comedy into a beat-em-up" factor to inflate interest a bit.
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It's so loving weird. Like--just to think of another series reboot--when Lords of Shadow came out, the reviews didn't do a point-by-point analysis comparing it to Lament of Innocence to see how it stacked up against that series' first PS2 game. And it seems like every magazine is doing this DMC1 comparison thing, like they got a talking points memo about it from Capcom or something.
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PoshAlligator posted:I don't know why they avoided continuing the story after DMC2 for so long. You could easily hand-wave the bad characterisation and stuff by either I always thought DMC4 came after 2 until someone here posted it was Japanese guidebook canon! that 2 was still the last in the series partly because there's already a line somewhere in the game about Dante having come back from Hell. But he pretty much goes to Hell in every one except 4, doesn't he? It' [wa]s a silly series and I don't think they need to address it at all anyway.
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