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Cat Terrist posted:Here's a video of the kind of people this "comedian" is speaking to Oh come on. Look, I love Top Gear to death but I'm not gonna pretend that Jeremy Clarkson's publicly-made opinions on most things that lie beyond the realm of "the M3 is the best car in the world but it's driven by twats" aren't terrible, reprehensible, and stupid. Now, he gets a pass on it because "it's Top Gear and it's a funny show and we think cars are cool" but if you can't get why Stewart Lee- who is a professional and respected Funny Person, and has been for almost two decades- would want to skewer that, then you've either got the same persecution complex about the "Looney Left" that Clarkson gets accused of having (he does), or you aren't very good at getting humor.
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PT6A posted:So, why has everyone suddenly turned around and claimed that this is the inescapable conclusion of Jezza's actions? I think if you didn't already guess that this is pretty much exactly what happened, you were being willfully dense. Were Jeremy's actions reasonable or acceptable? No, but I feel like there should be a better way out of it for everyone involved. By all accounts Oisin really didn't want this to be the outcome either. But there was a whole hotel full of witnesses and it would've made the press at some point or another and the BBC can't exactly weather another "coverup" scandal. For all of the joke posts about Saville, the BBC got (rightfully) eviscerated over it, and not that long ago at that. CommieGIR posted:He reported it himself. He knew he was in trouble, and he'd been a dickbag one too many times. The irony is that Oisin was apparently sure that if anybody'd get fired over it, it would be him. smackfu posted:Kinda figured the investigation would have more details than have already been repeated in the press. It can't even manage to say he punched him, just that he "was struck , resulting in swelling and bleeding to his lip." It's probably the result of pre-emptive damage control for what I'm assuming would've been a possible "slap on the wrist, nothing more" outcome. The Beeb' obviously struggled over their decision and if there were any chance of them keeping him without kicking over a different hornets' nest, I'm sure they'd have taken it. But you can't release a heavily-detailed report with the content that witnesses/etc have talked about and keep him on without an outcry. Not after the Saville debacle and definitely not after the years of controversy. People treating this as evidence of the BBC's leftward bias are ridiculous and stupid given how massively important TG is as a property to them. If it had been that, they'd have sacked him years ago, and they sure as hell wouldn't have been throwing obscene amounts of money at him to basically to do his show and manage his public image however the hell he wanted for so long. Also because the idea of "eco-feminist SJW socialism ruining everything" is basically the TV equivalent of GamerGate.
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Wasabi the J posted:They still got Sherlock and Doctor Who and we still got dumb teenage girls, so they'll be fine. The BBC can't live on fat girls alone.
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Comrade Flynn posted:
There's this thing called "appropriate workplace and professional conduct" and what Clarkson did wasn't anywhere remotely near it. It doesn't matter how unhurt the dude was or whatever. Comrade Flynn posted:I do wonder what is with SJWs infatuation with calling people elementary school names. Pissbabies, shitlords, etc. Anyone who uses the term SJW unironically is a troglodyte retard poopyface. But seriously, it belies a depressing amount of ignorance more often than not. Even among people way smarter than the GamerGate set.
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Symphoric posted:If you're expecting people (the talent) in the entertainment industry to conform to the same standards of conduct as regular people in regular workplaces then I don't know where you find enough hours in the day for all the outrage you must feel. Dude, two of my roommates are media interns and one of my best friends from high school is an assistant producer with NBC. I did a theater internship in college. I know how the entertainment industry works vis-a-vis talent and I'm definitely not outraged by the "poor defenseless producer's" treatment (aside from the harassment he's been getting from fans). Here's the thing though: they had a whole mess of witnesses. While Jezza's conduct and politics outside the show have always rubbed me the wrong way, I've been a steady fan for years and I'm definitely not crying that he should have been fired. But what would you expect? It's totally not right that workplace abuse is pretty much the norm in entertainment, but there's a huge difference between "it happens behind closed doors and everyone working there just accepts it as the nature of the beast and moves on" and "it happened publicly in the presence of bystanders." You can't just brush that under the rug and not get pilloried for it.
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Der Kyhe posted:So basically Jeremy was an idiot for drinking himself pissfaced, behaving badly and having fistcuffs with an underling. The producers (especially the one that was beaten) was an idiot for not taking taking the money and shutting up, while BBC was an idiot for not burying the case with money, but sticking to a principle hastly set up after series of previous scandals, costing them the key talent (the hosts) and probably their best franchise, plus 50 M yearly profit. James and Richard were idiots for getting blackout drunk, not following the evening schedule and not intervening before Jeremy decided to forward with the boxing match, now getting kicked out BBC. Did you read anything from the last, like, 5 pages? The producer who got punched was like the first person trying to cover it up. He didn't even want a payday or anything (not that any was probably offered). At least based on his public statements, he was pretty cool-headed about the incident and felt like it got resolved between them more-or-less immediately (probably because he's Irish). Also, everyone is forgetting that the BBC is a publicly-funded institution that essentially answers to the government. They're not exactly afforded the same leeway that private broadcasters have WRT things like settlements and whatnot. Also, what the hell are you on about "people thinking that everyone has to follow the same rules in business in general" ? Yes, there are rules for how your average company should behave and they exist for very good reasons, as much as Paul Ryan would try to argue otherwise.
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DOOMocrat posted:I think I just saw the real world working, and the dude got canned. No see, you don't understand he owns a Lambo and plays a lotta videogames and hates paying rich people taxes (in the US, no less  ) so his understanding of social issues is way better than yours.loving liberals amirite?
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Comrade Flynn posted:Please point out where I've ever complained about taxes. Or does that not fit into your idiotic narrative? Isn't lower taxes "for high incomes" part of the reason why you live in Washington? In any case, I'll break the SA norm and apologize for that bit. It was out of line and pretty stupid in hindsight, regardless of whatever your personal politics might or might not be. I still disagree with you over the whole "SJW" thing, though.
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Comrade Flynn posted:It's one reason of many I live here. Paying as little as you can in taxes isn't complaining about them. It's still kinda gaming the system in a way that I think is a bit unfair and a detriment to the country as a whole (rich people paying a lower percentage of their income than the middle class...  ), but you're right that everybody generally wants to pay as little in taxes as possible and that most people take that into account when choosing where to live, regardless of income. In any case, it's absolutely not a discussion that should be framed as an attack on you or a discussion to be had in this thread. Or probably anywhere on the internet really.And I don't condone the line of rhetoric that you referenced (also that was posted after I had made my initial point) and most of the people disagreeing with you haven't either. Notice how I haven't been like "yeah man, spot on!" with any of those hyperbolic posts. I currently work in education reform and it really rubs me the wrong way when people go all "SJWs " because there's an absolute ton of institutional/cultural/social inequality and abuse that lives under the surface and isn't really known or noticeable to a lot of people, regardless of age or politics. More often than not, it isn't intentional or overt or even something that requires any sort of punishment. But a lot of people get dismissive or defensive when it gets brought up. It's easy to show someone a lynching and be like "see this here is bad" but it's an order of magnitude harder to present the sort of case that requires an academic study with a statistical dataset and complicated factors or direct personal experience or a working understanding of how a given field (like education) operates to give it credibility. People generally don't like to be told that some aspect of the way that they/society are doing something causes problems worth addressing and it's easy to dismiss it as excessive liberal handwringing or whatever if it isn't screamingly obvious.It doesn't even have to be particularly complex. Look at the whole Penny Arcade "I can't possibly misunderstand how rape culture works because I love my wife and I'd never sexually assault anyone which is why I'm gonna stick it to all of you SJW free speech-killing drama queens by endorsing the sale of 'Team Rape' shirts at PAX" debacle from a few years ago. It's a loving tragedy that legitimate social/academic/advocacy concepts have been so thoroughly tainted by the pansexual special snowflake Tumblr set because I already get to deal with pushback and dismissal from politicians and administrators in person on a regular basis. Coming home and seeing a generation of otherwise intelligent mostly-youngish mostly-dudes (and mostly-people who could actually effect real change by simply just being aware of poo poo) dismiss real issues outright "because SJWs and drama queens" (I'm not necessarily talking about SA, mind you) is so disheartening sometimes. Yes, today's been one of "those days" at work. Also, Top Gear as we know it won't exist anymore and I'm legitimately really sad about that.
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Comrade Flynn posted:I mean, if you liked two places equally well, but one place you'd save $100k a year in taxes, there's no way you wouldn't pick that place. I dig. Comrade Flynn posted:Also the special pansexual snowflake Tumblr set ARE the SJWs we are all making fun of. Actual people doing advocacy and making change? Nope. You should hate SJWs more than anyone given they undermine you. DOOMocrat posted:It's not the social activist's fault that you equate LiveJournal 2.0 fictive headspace roleplayers with actually embracing change.
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