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jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Let's talk about gifs on Chrome. Why does it seem like a large gif takes a minute to load while others takes maybe 3 seconds?

It's just so unusual, at least Firefox seems to load them all at the same speed (though I think they do this by having the gif only play once it's completely loaded).

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jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Ur Getting Fatter posted:

I'm a freak that likes using Incognito mode as my default browsing mode.

Looking at Chrome's privacy settings I found this:



For the most part this seems to make Regular Chrome work the same as Incognito mode, with the advantage that tab history is kept until I close the browser (instead of until you close the tab, like in Incognito).

The weird thing is that every now and then I will shut down my computer and when I boot up again, I'll find that Chrome hasn't actually cleared my cookies (ie: I'll be already signed into any webpages I was browsing before turning off the computer). Anecdotally, it happens about 1/5 times.

Is this a bug or am I missing something about how this setting works?

Instead of running chrome in incognito all the time, get vanilla cookie manager (here) which doesn't have that weird bug or whatever and (if you want to) lets you whitelist certain cookies so they don't get deleted when you close the browser and you stay logged in, for example in reddit or somethingawful or whatever.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

I use No Coin but I have no idea if it is working, which I think is a sign that it works well?

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Mystic Stylez posted:

Is there any extension I should install besides ublock origin in order to protect my computer/privacy from shady poo poo?

If you want to deal with it, Noscript is always a popular option. EFF also recommends PrivacyBadger (which is basically just a curated list for uBlock with a lot of redundancies), and then a cookie autodeleter is always a good option.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

So the new Brave version looks like it's just Chrome. It has the exact same settings with minor changes, even has a user section at the top right. It all seems rather anti-privacy, frankly.

But it does all the normal Chrome things like let you use extensions so that's nice.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Malloc Voidstar posted:

The good news is Google employees saw it and fixed it
They don't know why it was rejected

Lol, yeah okay.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

If I remember correctly the guy who made Vivaldi basically blabbed the big secret of internet browsers: outside of data harvesting (or whatever poo poo Brave does) the way to make money with them is to have a user base and sell the default search engine/bookmarks to Google/Travelocity/Microsoft or whatever. That pays to keep the lights on and pay the devs who really seem to just gently caress around with CSS using the Chromium engine.

To that end, it seems these browsers just compete with each other by loving with Chromium settings and changing the UI or stripping privacy-invading things or whatever to get their userbase up so they can sell bookmarks.

Firefox is the one I like the most because it doesn’t suck the tit of Chromium, which is absolutely not a privacy-conscious browser, at least Chromium isn’t out of the box. That being said it’s slick and the defacto browser standard. After that it’s Brave because they seem to be chasing privacy conscious users while Vivaldi is just trying to make a solid browser without a real agenda other than letting you do what you want to it.

The biggest problem for me is that Chrome on Android manages to be the best browser by a significant margin and Firefox is kinda poo poo on Android. And Android browser devs are even lazier and rarely give a gently caress about privacy, so the browser scene (especially on LineageOS) is a big situation where you pick 2 of Appearance/modification/usability, Speed, and Privacy.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Cugel the Clever posted:

Edit: is there meaningful substance to their privacy relative to their peer browsers? The way it's tauted, again, comes of as marketing mumbo-jumbo intended to rope paranoiacs into the user base.

Yeah there's substance but it's not enough. They provide, essentially, the bare minimum to avoid targeted ads. Not 100% effective but close.

The biggest offenders of (browser) privacy as far as "we know who you are" are cookies and third-party trackers, like Facebook Pixels and google bullshit. Solvable by browser settings and/or adblockers. Cookie 1231ASBFH123DASB is John Smith from Garbage, KS. We can see him bouncing from google.com to amp.sexblog.com/doeswatchinggaypornmakeyougay and 10 gay porn sites, Google can send him an ad for a product he might like. He bounced over to Facebook in a different tab, and now we see that the Pixel that was on that sexblog.com so long ago planted a cookie that corresponds with his facebook login, and now Facebook knows who you are. Your web session was logged, their algorithm will feed you ads and content based on that new data, which mixes with all your old data.

Then on the 'we know who you are' train, it's browser fingerprinting where they keep track of your browser window size and OS and a hundred details like that which, when taken in the aggregate, create a nearly unique fingerprint-- it might not reveal who you are as an individual but it reveals you as a unique user they can track. How many browsers have your specific set of addons, on your OS, at your specific window size, with your computer's hardware, etc.-- Note they don't know it's John Smith but they know you're the same guy when you go from one website to another because they remembered that the guy with your fingerprint was on both websites, and then they can send an ad to you that is tailored to your interests. Solvable with browser settings and/or addons. Generally they make you appear to be using one of the default configurations so you're completely anonymized.

Then it's IP ratshit like location tracking, IP address, shenanigans like that-- all easily solvable with VPN or sometimes you can spoof an IP or something for the less sophisticated trackers. This is the hardest to solve because VPNs aren't ideal, and importantly you have no control over this without them. All that data up top? Your ISP has it. They know that IP address 10.420.69.9 accessed all those websites. Whether they hold onto it or do anything with it is up in the air, but they could very easily. If you obfuscated all that data up top, Google can still say "IP address 10.420.69.9 went to these websites" or "guy at 420 Bleecker Street went to this website". This is the situation that causes the most "aahh" for people, because your wife can google 'dog vests' because you have a puppy you love. You can take every other precaution but because your wife's phone shared location and you guys live together, now you're considered part of that.


Then it's the most nefarious of the bunch: exploiting WebRTC leaks and poo poo. It's usually just a flip of a switch in your browser settings.

The "paranoiacs" aren't crazy for knowing that there's literally trillions of dollars to be made doing a very simple thing to watch people that are rolling through the most popular websites. Their paranoia is 100% validated and they generally don't even know the extent of it.

Brave resolves most/all problems that aren't IP/location level. Because all of that is usually allowed by default via Chrome, or Chromium. For them it's a flip of a switch. It works for 90% of cases but there are so, so many leaks of user data by design it's not sufficient. It's an excellent start, of course, but it's not comprehensive enough.

If you want true privacy, or whatever, you have to deal with so much poo poo that can be undone by a single un-flipped switch it's funcitonally impossible to go on the internet and be 100% private.

Whoa that was a big post.

The bigger offender is that when you use Brave you'll be helping a bigot make money (unless he's switched to being a good person like so many bigots with money totally do all the time for sure yep lol)

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

DrBouvenstein posted:

We all know nothing will stop them from having 1000 open tabs.

And then simultaneously complaining about their RAM usage.

Psychopaths use tabs as bookmarks. It drives me insane. Like digital hoarding behavior.

Just save the bookmark! Goddamn! It’s gonna reload when you click on it a year later anyways!

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

I haven’t used chrome in many years I just use Firefox as is, but that’s disconcerting news.

I also wasn’t aware of Brave’s problems, guess I’m in the market for a better work/porn browser (my Firefox is locked down so hard on the privacy/adblocker front it’s hard to use it reliably for work/porn).

Vivaldi uses chromium I guess?

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?


These tech companies all outdo each other somehow huh

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Does it go into a Recycle bin?

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jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

are you more productive

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