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Taintrunner posted:Disney only trusts skinny white brunette women as female leads, haven’t you seen Star Wars Glad to see you people are finally moving on to something else after the whole "mary sue" thing failed to take and the guy who popularized it wound up being a rapist.
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Gripweed posted:But Thor made Valkyrie King of Asgard at the end of Endgame. Why doesn't she become Thor? Men in Black: International cratered so now neither Chris Hemsworth or Tessa Thompson get to be Thor.
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Jul 21, 2019 19:12
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Gripweed posted:But Thor made Valkyrie King of Asgard at the end of Endgame. Why doesn't she become Thor? Tess Thompson described the plot of Love and Thunder as "Now that I'm the King of Asgard, I'm looking for my Queen." Reminder that a scene establishing that Valkyrie is gay or at least bisexual was filmed for Ragnarok but was cut from release.
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Jul 21, 2019 19:19
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Taintrunner posted:Disney only trusts skinny white brunette women as female leads, haven’t you seen Star Wars That's one.
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Jul 21, 2019 19:21
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Sleeveless posted:Glad to see you people are finally moving on to something else after the whole "mary sue" thing failed to take and the guy who popularized it wound up being a rapist. Haha what. I'm literally talking about the lack of diversity in Disney properties and you're accusing me of being a rapist by association. Eeeyyikes.
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Jul 21, 2019 19:29
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Taintrunner posted:Disney only trusts skinny white brunette women as female leads, haven’t you seen Star Wars Not recently, I gave up on the franchise after Rogue One Sir Kodiak posted:Men in Black: International cratered so now neither Chris Hemsworth or Tessa Thompson get to be Thor. That's fair
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Jul 21, 2019 20:46
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Sleeveless posted:Glad to see you people are finally moving on to something else after the whole "mary sue" thing failed to take and the guy who popularized it wound up being a rapist. Equating wanting more diversity with a clearly misogynistic movement is uh pretty galaxy brained my man
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Jul 21, 2019 21:50
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FilthyImp posted:Valk is her own woman. She doesn't need no hammergod to give her worth. From what I can tell, she's the type of actor that will give a director exactly what they want, for better or worse. Since Taika is directing, it should be kickin' rad.
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Jul 22, 2019 14:56
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The guy who created the Mary Sue term is a rapist??
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Jul 22, 2019 17:09
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The Saddest Rhino posted:The guy who created the Mary Sue term is a rapist?? It was created by a woman in a parody story in Star Trek fanzines in the 1970s and spread amongst that subculture, so I doubt it?
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Jul 22, 2019 17:53
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You can be an old rapist
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Jul 22, 2019 17:54
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CharlestheHammer posted:You can be an old rapist Yeah but unless there's been a transition involved
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Jul 22, 2019 17:57
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I think they're referring to the wave of "Rey from Star Wars is a Mary Sue" rhetoric, which was started by Max Landis, who is deffo a rapist who's abused a lot of women.
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Jul 22, 2019 18:04
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Supercar Gautier posted:I think they're referring to the wave of "Rey from Star Wars is a Mary Sue" rhetoric, which was started by Max Landis, who is deffo a rapist who's abused a lot of women. Max Landis didn't start it, people were criticizing the character since the movie was released. Max Landis is a rapist though.
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Jul 22, 2019 18:06
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Also the term Mary Sue was widespread far before Landis hit the scene.
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Jul 22, 2019 18:42
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Inzombiac posted:Portman is a very good actor but she's never taken to action all that well. Jane was a joyless wet blanket of a character in the first two Thor movies, but I have extreme confidence in Taika Waititi to turn that around. I also thought Thor was a boring, one-dimensional waste of time for his first 4 appearances, and then Ragnarok happened and he's pretty much my favorite. Natalie Portman is one of the best actresses working when they actually give her something to do, so I'm feeling pretty good about it. Also, gently caress Max Landis. I'm so glad his career is over, because he was insufferable even when he wasn't infamous for rape and abuse.
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Jul 22, 2019 19:10
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Not throwing shade or nothing, just genuinely curious; what movie has Natalie Portman been great in? Off the top of my head I can only think of at best serviceable performances from her. Black Swan is a fine film but I didn't think she was particularly memorable in it. Funnily enough it was Mila Kunis' performance of all people that stuck with me.
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Jul 22, 2019 19:11
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Annihilation, Black Swan, V for Vendetta, Léon were all great performances by her, despite whether or not the movies were good.
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Jul 22, 2019 19:19
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Stare-Out posted:Not throwing shade or nothing, just genuinely curious; what movie has Natalie Portman been great in? Off the top of my head I can only think of at best serviceable performances from her. Black Swan is a fine film but I didn't think she was particularly memorable in it. Funnily enough it was Mila Kunis' performance of all people that stuck with me. I guess Garden State? Does that count, if an actor does a good performance towards a bad end?
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Léon I'll absolutely give you but in each of those other ones I felt like it could've been more interesting with another actor. She's serviceable and gets the job done but I feel she's largely in the same category as Leonardo DiCaprio where they can deliver a character but not much beyond that and are helped tremendously by a solid script. Gripweed posted:I guess Garden State? Does that count, if an actor does a good performance towards a bad end? Haha, I was thinking about Garden State when I was going through the movies I'd seen her in and again, she's fine in it, god bless her it's one of the films she seems to really go for it too, and granted I have somewhat of a soft spot for that movie, but even so I can't recall any Natalie Portman performance that kinda knocked me on my rear end in any way. Not that I mind that she's back in Thor or whatever, just generally wondering about her since people are talking about her. Stare-Out fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Jul 22, 2019 |
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Jul 22, 2019 19:23
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Stare-Out posted:Not throwing shade or nothing, just genuinely curious; what movie has Natalie Portman been great in? Off the top of my head I can only think of at best serviceable performances from her. Black Swan is a fine film but I didn't think she was particularly memorable in it. Funnily enough it was Mila Kunis' performance of all people that stuck with me. This is pretty much going to boil down to taste, I think. Because I thought she was incredible in Black Swan. Also in Annihilation, V for Vendetta, even Closer (a movie that I hated but that I admit she was good in.) I haven't seen Vox Lux, but I've been told she's good in it, as well. Of course, these are mostly subdued roles about grief or trauma or perseverance. They're not big, loud, fun roles, so that's probably the biggest obstacle to her being great in a Waititi film, where the tone is much more whimsical.
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Well, he's already lost his confidence, mother, father, brother, hammer, homeland, eye, people, and waistline, about the only thing left for the next movie to strip away is his name.
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Jul 22, 2019 19:26
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Considering how many of the upcoming movies/shows are committing to multiverse shenanigans, and considering that Mjolnir only exists in an alternate timeline created in Endgame, it's most certainly gonna be a Two Thors deal rather than "our" Thor losing his mantle to Jane.
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Xealot posted:This is pretty much going to boil down to taste, I think. Because I thought she was incredible in Black Swan. Also in Annihilation, V for Vendetta, even Closer (a movie that I hated but that I admit she was good in.) I haven't seen Vox Lux, but I've been told she's good in it, as well. Now that you mention it, Closer was one of the movies in which I found her performance to be pretty interesting, though I really need to rewatch it. I mean, I don't mind if a role is subdued, I just never felt like Portman brought anything particularly special into any role (aside from Léon, granted) and it was usually one of those cases where I find it particularly difficult to forget the actor and focus on the character, like with DiCaprio as I mentioned. Stare-Out fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Jul 22, 2019 |
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Xealot posted:Of course, these are mostly subdued roles about grief or trauma or perseverance. They're not big, loud, fun roles, so that's probably the biggest obstacle to her being great in a Waititi film, where the tone is much more whimsical. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A0iftflme4
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Fair.
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COOL CORN posted:Annihilation, Black Swan, V for Vendetta, Léon were all great performances by her, despite whether or not the movies were good. Jackie! Jackie is really good. (it also has a killer score) Sleeveless posted:Glad to see you people are finally moving on to something else after the whole "mary sue" thing failed to take and the guy who popularized it wound up being a rapist. pretend i posted a picture of Daisy Ridley, Felicity Jones and Emilia Clarke standing side-by-side here. someone in the Star Wars division at Disney clearly has a type, and that type is small brown-haired British women.
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I have a sneaking suspicion it's Kathleen Kennedy doing a weird self-insert thing. Probably wrong, but it's the most likely answer I can come up with outside of your usual corporate focus group demographic cynicism, when Finn was the obvious choice to fill Luke's shoes after the opening of TFA.
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Taintrunner posted:I have a sneaking suspicion it's Kathleen Kennedy doing a weird self-insert thing. Probably wrong, but it's the most likely answer I can come up with outside of your usual corporate focus group demographic cynicism, when Finn was the obvious choice to fill Luke's shoes after the opening of TFA. Or they just wanted a female lead? Does it have to be a conspiracy?
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Jul 23, 2019 00:46
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maybe everyone who works on star wars now is a literal star wars fan and they're all competitively trying to mold star wars how they want it to be and that's loving it all up
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Blast Fantasto posted:Or they just wanted a female lead? Does it have to be a conspiracy? Yeah, they wanted to remake the old Star Wars, but streamline it. So now Luke and Leia are one character. For all the reasons I dislike or am frustrated by the new movies, Rey isn't one. I actually like her character and would probably find a male character in her place boring.
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Light Gun Man posted:maybe everyone who works on star wars now is a literal star wars fan and they're all competitively trying to mold star wars how they want it to be and that's loving it all up Honestly, as much as I like TFA and TLJ as movies on their own, this is kinda why the trilogy as a whole feels weird. It doesn't feel like there's much of a cohesive vision going on.
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Jul 23, 2019 00:56
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it's not even a "female lead vs male lead" thing because you can bring Solo into it as well, i just think it's funny that the most prominent female character in each of the star wars movies Disney has made are nearly identical. like if they had made them 5-10 years ago and cast Alison Brie, Zooey Deschanel and Lizzy Caplan all in a row.
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Jul 23, 2019 01:31
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Waffleman_ posted:Honestly, as much as I like TFA and TLJ as movies on their own, this is kinda why the trilogy as a whole feels weird. It doesn't feel like there's much of a cohesive vision going on.
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Blast Fantasto posted:Or they just wanted a female lead? Does it have to be a conspiracy? I don’t think it’s the female lead that is being talked about, it’s that the actresses are so similar
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Jul 23, 2019 02:16
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Actually, it's about ethics in film casting.
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DC Murderverse posted:it's not even a "female lead vs male lead" thing because you can bring Solo into it as well, i just think it's funny that the most prominent female character in each of the star wars movies Disney has made are nearly identical. Don't be ridiculous. They'd had never cast Lizzy Caplan  Thinking about it, it probably would have been Katie Holmes or Jessica Alba. Davros1 fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Jul 23, 2019 |
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Jul 23, 2019 02:19
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I’m not sure what’s unethical about having a type, it’s more weird
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Waffleman_ posted:Honestly, as much as I like TFA and TLJ as movies on their own, this is kinda why the trilogy as a whole feels weird. It doesn't feel like there's much of a cohesive vision going on. I mean, this part is true. I have no idea what their original idea would have been, or if they had one, but once JJ was hired he tossed out Michael Arndt's script, which he had been hired to finished, and started over from scratch. Originally when news about Rian Johnson joining came out, it said that he was going to write the next 2 scripts, then said that it was the second script and an outline for the third part, but now it looks like they tossed that idea out as well and left it up to JJ again. I feel like they did this with the original trilogy as well, but it least it was coherent thanks to Lucas, but this new trilogy has a weird push and pull between voices.
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It's precisely that, it feels like there's no single vision, and I don't mean vision in a Kevin Feige sort of way, I mean it in a George Lucas kind of way, in a 'I want to tell this story'. As someone who likes TLJ/Rogue One, I would sacrifice it and TFA and all the Disney era movies immediately to see a new era of Star Wars movies under Lucas' single editorial control. Look, people like to poo poo on him, but it was his idea. I would rather have a lovely idea made by a person than a bland idea made by a committee. When a person makes a poo poo idea, there's thought and reason behind it, and we can see where their intentions were even if the execution didn't work out. When a committee makes a bland idea, there's nothing behind it other than 'well, we thought this would make money'.
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