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tarepanda posted:I live in the area, so it would be very easy for me to hop over there to watch a tournament. My working schedule is very flexible, too. Like Fryhtaning said, 2PM to 2:30 is a good time to arrive if you just want to see Juryo and Makuuchi. A year or two ago I'd have said that it was worth coming early, as even with a cheap ticket you could go and sit in an empty seat close to the ring and get to watch the lower division guys from up close, but apparently they've been cracking down on that since the yakuza scandal broke. Oh, and yeah, the rules on clothing can be incredibly strict. Tochinoshin got the poo poo knocked out him in November (2-13 record), mainly because the stablemaster refused to let him train for the tourney after he was caught breaking curfew in western dress. I think if Tamaasuka was out with his family then it was probably ok, though. Apraxin fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Apr 15, 2012 |
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Fryhtaning posted:Seriously, Myogiryu? I just had to look him up to see who this mystery wrestler is who has already beaten 4 ozeki. He lost to all 6 ozeki, Hakuho, and Yoshikaze last tournament, but beat everyone else. Now he's 4-3 against the top 7 wrestlers. Amazing. Seriously, look at this record: http://sumoreference.com/Rikishi.aspx?r=11784. This guy is probably going to be Ozeki in a year or two, if he doesn't burn out.
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To expand on the Ozeki demotion thing, the only way it happens is if you get two make-koshi in a row, beyond the 8th loss the actual numbers don't matter. So if an Ozeki goes 0-15 in one tournament and 8-7 in the next, he's safe, but going 7-8 then 7-8 again would be a demotion. There's an additional rule that if a demoted Ozeki goes 10-5 or better in the tournament immediately after their demotion, they're automatically re-promoted. Otherwise they have to go through the same promotion qualifications as anyone else. Ozeki demotion is actually pretty rare, especially as it usually happens to older wrestlers who'll immediately retire upon being demoted. The only ex-Ozeki still active is Miyabiyama, who peaked early, and got demoted at 23. Apraxin fucked around with this message at 18:06 on May 15, 2012 |
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Wendell posted:Does this mean Takanoyama will be moving back up to makuuchi?? Guy's like a yoyo.
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Gozinbulx posted:Has Kintamayama stopped posting the vids?
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Wendell posted:Thanks for giving us the context not included in the youtube video, seorin. Wish I could have seen that stuff to get the full effect of this victory.
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Incidentally, Kyokutenho was slated to retire after the March tournament and take over the Ooshima stable (a pretty prestigious position), but turned down the offer, saying he 'still had the hunger' to go on for a bit longer. Looks like he made the right decision! Also, according to the Asahi, Hakuho acted as standard bearer for the victory parade, cried a lot, and told reporters that Kyokutenho winning made him happier than if he'd won himself. 
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seorin posted:I saw the video footage of them riding around on the back of the car together, but I didn't know the story behind it. That's awesome. Incidentally, this marks the 50th yusho for a Mongolian wrestler, which was not entirely unexpected in and of itself, but given that 47 of those yusho were by Asashoryou or Hakuho, the name of the winner is a surprise. NotQuiteQuentin, there are a lot of Basho viewable on youtube on channels like Kintamayama's, but I don't know if I'd recommend watching them - even edited down each one is more than an hour of footage, and even if there's a dramatic yusho race or whatever,a lot of those bouts are going to be inconsequential in the long run. Out of the relatively recent Basho, I'd suggest the January 2010 tournament, the last before Asahoryou was forcibly retired, as the most exciting overall. November 2008, where Harumafuji became Ozeki was also pretty good. Apraxin fucked around with this message at 20:13 on May 21, 2012 |
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Dr.Radical posted:he's probably the gooniest rikishi, what with those sideburns, right?
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If Hakuho wins tomorrow he will, in addition to the title, have won more yuusho than Takanohana (last of the great Japanese yokozuna and current Chairman of the association), more total makuuchi bouts than his old rival Asashoryu, and more 15-0 titles than anyone in sumo history. It's going to be so strange when he finally retires; it's been so long since sumo's been without a yokozuna who just dominates everything.
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a false posted:ahhhhhhhh it's going to suck not having kintamayama's video tomorrow
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seorin posted:According to the article, that's just another group recommending the promotion to the Sumo Association. It's not actually the guys making the final decision. Although, I wonder if they take into consideration that it was a zensho, not just a yusho.
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The unofficial-more-or-less-confirmed banzuke for Makuuchi and Juryo is now up on the Sumo Forum: http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=30160
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Just Winging It posted:The key thing that seems to have changed is that the rule (公傷制度; koushou seido, Public Injury System) under which a rikishi that sustained an injury incurred during a basho could miss the next one without it affecting his rank was abolished in late 2003. Now that it's gone, injured ozeki automatically go kadoban (and get demoted if they're still injured) and everyone else slides down the rankings, with the matches they missed being counted as losses. I don't think it's come up yet about what happens if a yokozuna is injured for more than a basho or two; I guess he'd be pressured into retiring.
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Just Winging It posted:it's not a very good example as all the fat gently caress can do is waddle around a bit.  Unrelated, but Kyokutenho now has the most career wins of any foreign-born wrestler in the history of the sport, and the 8th most of any wrestler ever.
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Without spoiling anything, I'm just going to say that it was well worth staying up until 4.30AM to watch the end of this one.
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Gibbo posted:Some of the guys can throw him around way too easily, so I'd say it's holding him back a little. He could add another 15kg and still be quick and agile enough to keep up his shenanigans.
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Hahaha, the Kyokai has decided to monetize their overseas audience by replacing the free live feed with pay-per-view. With their usual business acumen, they're going to charge $10 per day, or the low, low price of $120 for a whole tournament. I don't think this is going to turn out very well.
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Takanoyama's insulin incident is pretty hilarious, in a bleak kind of way. There were basically two concurrent scandals involving Naruto-oyakata, Takanayoma's stablemaster. That he: a) had himself prescribed insulin and then bullied Takamoyama into injecting it so he would bulk up. b) had severely beaten a junior wrestler with a block of wood to 'teach him respect'. (This was less than 5 years since another stablemaster doing the same thing beat a trainee so hard that he died.) The stablemaster was summoned to see the JSA chairman and it looked like we were all set for another round of damaging scandals, but then within three or four days he unexpectedly dropped dead of respiratory failure. In the aftermath, the junior wrestler remembered that he hadn't been beaten after all, he'd just fallen down the stairs or something, and Takanoyama suddenly recalled that injecting insulin had actually been his own idea all along. The JSA punished Takanoyama by telling him that using insulin was very bad and that he shouldn't do it anymore, and then everyone agreed never to speak of the incident again.
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He's probably good so long as he doesn't try doing it Futahaguro-style.
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Dr.Radical posted:No, I meant more like a guy with a lung condition dying in practice because he didn't get the treatment he needs or a young rikishi getting killed by his oyakata due to being beaten with a metal baseball bat.  but hell, that second thing actually happened and you'd still be hard pressed to find much in the way of long-lasting changes in the Kyoukai's training/discipline culture as a result.
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Fryhtaning posted:With Kisenosato's strong jun-yusho performance, he's got a chance for promotion if he takes the next basho. Between being Japanese, having 8 jun-yushos, and having a very consistently good track record, I don't think they would hesitate to promote him. Hakuho said in the interview that the henka wasn't pre-planned, he just reacted to how Harumafuji was acting on the dohyo. Seems legit, from the speed at which he went pinwheeling off into the stands it looks like Harumafuji was putting everything into slamming into Hakuho with everything he had straight from the tachi-ai. I know a henka isn't the best way to end the tournament, but really what was Hak supposed to do? If you read that your opponent's going to come out high with slaps and neck grabs you duck under and go for a belt grip; if you read he's gonna stay still and absorb your momentum you put your arms out and thrust him back as you push forward; if you read he's gonna charge blindly forward for an instant oshidashi you... take no countermeasures and cede the advantage because dodging isn't the spectacle people want?
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FYI videos are probably going to be hard to come by this time around. The kyoukai cut their $120-per-basho video stream after the last tournament (with their usual PR acumen they put a single line announcement on the official website that more or less literally just says 'The streaming service will end. Thank you for your support.'), so it's down to crappy streams from Mongolian TV unless someone in Japan can provide Kintamayama with footage of either NHK or some new pay-per-view service that Softbank will apparently be running.
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Oh, and it looks like something pretty bad is going on with the Nishikido Stable. Six out of their eight wrestlers didn't participate in the first day, including Homarenishiki (the Canadian guy), and one of the regulars on Sumo Forum who has contacts inside the Sumo world is hinting at there being a major problem that will publicly break sometime soon.
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Dr.Radical posted:I have an HDD I'm recording the days to via my TV. I'll fiddle around and see if I can send something to Kintamayama. My only apprehension is that I might not always be able to give it to him on time. I don't want to be put in a position where I'm expected to come through for everyone. I'll see what the deal is, though.
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'Oh, I wonder what SumoTalk is making of this basho. They probably have some amusing theory about how it's being rigged for Kiseno-':quote:I know a lot of you are getting frustrated by the large number of bouts that I am declaring as fixed and the perceived negative tone in my reports, but I am merely reacting to the action in the ring, so don't blame the messenger. quote:With Kisenosato safely through, there was a bit of drama leading into the Yokozuna Hakuho - Ozeki Goeido bout because you never know when Hakuho is going to let up and give the Ozeki a win. As the two worked through their shikiri, the crowd began to chant GO-EI-DO! GO-EI-DO! while clapping their hands in unison. It wasn't because they wanted Goeido to win; rather, they wanted Hakuho to lose making the path easier for Kisenosato. Such sheep. 
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Oh god. I don't know if anyone follows the lower divisions, but there's this kid in jonokuchi, Hattorizakura. He's just awful - super skinny, no technique, after a full year in sumo he's racked up a record of 1-34. No idea why he hasn't quit. So on Day 3 he was scheduled against Kinjo, a much beefier guy who has a brutal grabbing/throwing arm on him. Seems like Hattorizakura was real scared he was gonna get hurt, and decided beforehand to lose painlessly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiAI8fXBJoM Not sure if laughing or crying is the more appropriate response. Apraxin fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Sep 18, 2016 |
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Fryhtaning posted:I'm not sure, since one of those 3 basho was at M5. He may need to repeat it again at sekiwake. Kotoshogiku won 30 in a row including a 9-6 line at M3 and didn't get it, nor did he get it after winning 32 at sekiwake - needed one more basho to get 33 which seems to be the gold standard.
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No idea if anyone else will find this anything like as funny as I did, but one of the SumoForum people found the true reason for Goeido's sudden improvement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCy6wlsfuXQ
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Dr.Radical posted:Does sumo talk have something against Goeido? I know they're big into yaocho accusations.
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Kikkoman posted:May 2011 basho got canceled because yaocho allegations were found to be true and the same tight group of people that was in charge back then is still in charge today. Losing faith in the integrity of the sport isn't so hard. Northjayhawk posted:I assume if we ever had a jackass yokozuna who turned in losing records in every tournament and didn't care about criticism or calls for retirement, then he'd be forced out with the sumo association announcing that they "accepted his resignation". quote:The decision to promote Futahaguro backfired and he proved to be a great embarrassment to the sumo establishment. His debut as a yokozuna in the September 1986 tournament saw him pull out on the seventh day with only three wins, and after two runner-up scores in November 1986 and January 1987 a series of mediocre performances followed. His best result as a yokozuna came in November 1987 when he was runner-up for the seventh time, with a 13-2 record. However, controversy was never far away from him. Several tsukebito (junior members) of his stable refused to serve under him following an incident on the 1987 winter tour in which he physically punished one of them[3] and as a result of this, in December 1987 he had a heated argument with his stable boss, Tatsunami, and stormed out, allegedly striking Tatsunami's wife on the way.[2] The elders of the Sumo Association responded, without giving Futahaguro a hearing, by voting to accept his "resignation". Futahaguro became the first yokozuna ever to be expelled from sumo this way.[2] He had lasted just eight tournaments at yokozuna rank and had proved unable to win a championship. Apraxin fucked around with this message at 05:04 on Sep 27, 2016 |
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Ras Het posted:Why? Isn't that a sort of a typical pattern in match fixing in any sport? There are illegal betting rings, mostly yakuza-run, but they're usually pretty small, and it wasn't really feasible that enough people would be betting so lopsidedly on mid-level sumo matches that anyone could rig the results and pay off the wrestlers so frequently and still turn a profit. They never actually found any evidence that anyone was betting on them.
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Haha, Sokukurai! I have to admit to having a soft spot for the only man ever to take on the Sumo Association in court and come away with a win, but I never thought he'd be have a realistic shot at a jun-yusho. And also Wow! I look forward to the conspiracy theories on this one. Wonder if Kise will feel like a legit winner having this handed to him, if he doesn't beat Hakuho tomorrow? Apraxin fucked around with this message at 10:00 on Jan 21, 2017 |
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Bad news from the Kisenosato-Harumafuji fight on day 13 - Kise landed awkwardly falling off the dohyo and looks to have hosed his shoulder up pretty bad.
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NHK says he's not gonnna withdraw today and will fight Kakuryu as per the schedule. And also that the stable didn't/wouldn't say exactly what his injury was or how severe it is. Let's hope this doesn't end badly.
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I think it's always been a problem for Kotoshogiku that he sets up himself up to be henkad, maybe more so than any other high ranker. His preferred style is to go in hard and low at the tachi-ai, smash his opponent back, and then either straight up bulldoze them out or get a belt grip and do the bumpety-bumpety. But he often telegraph really obviously that he's going to do this and has no plan b - sets up way back at the tachi-ai, low posture, eyes down, etc - and the best counter for it is to henka. You can see that most times someone gets henkad the opponent is either trying to slap them straight down or dodge the initial charge so they can come in from the side and hit them while they try to re-position. But with Giku, the opponent just moves out of the way and he goes pinwheeling all the way across the dohyo and off the other side. I mean, it really sucks that it happened at such a career-defining bout, but at the same time I don't really think it would have been fair to tell Terunofuji 'yeah, he's gonna use his strongest moveset against you, but you can't use the most effective counter'. In lighter news, SumoTalk Mike lets us know that not only are the recent Japanese yushos evidence of yaocho, but the dozen years of Mongolian dominance preceding them were also evidence of yaocho, as the all-seeing kyokai was psychologically conditioning people so they wouldn't question it when Japanese rikishi started winning again and ushered in a new age of darkness: quote:I used to laugh at the jackasses who would comment below every time a Mongolian would take the yusho saying, "Har, Sumotalk, you're 0-46 now!" referring to the fact that it was 46 straight basho and counting without a Japanese yusho, and so sumo bouts couldn't possibly be fixed because a Japanese rikishi never took the yusho in the end. Now that they ARE letting them take the yusho, I'm not sure what the weak explanations are from the see-no-evil, hear-no-evil, speak-no-evil crowd, but it's been a lengthy process where everyone was conditioned little by little until now when they are taking the nonsense to unspeakable levels. And the unfortunate part is...there's no turning back now.
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Dr.Radical posted:Edit: And yeah, I thought the same thing about him stopping sumo writing. Dude got fired and can't admit it. Truthfully though a huge part of why I dislike him is from when I got into an argument with him on SumoForum where he said the classic "If there's gay pride and black history month, why isn't there a straight pride and white history month!?" He's just a conservative fart-huffing smug guy. His weird hot takes communicate that pretty well. I'd never seen anything of the guy beyond his sumo writeups in the JT until then, so it was a pretty big  moment.
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Also the 'expected to be hospitalized for at least ten days' bit was from before his condition worsened and they put him in the coma. There's no current estimate for when (if?) he gets out.
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Baron Fuzzlewhack posted:It's been a while since I've watched sumo. I always appreciated the highlights from Kintamayama, but I absolutely loved staying up until 7am watching all the matches live until they stopped streaming them for free. Oh, and salt guy might have been Takamisakari, who always did a very exaggerated warm up. He retired a couple of years ago, is an elder now. Apraxin fucked around with this message at 16:53 on May 16, 2017 |
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