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Alucard Nacirema posted:low brow horror game fans. Whoa whoa whoa man. Low blow. For the record, I think RE7 looks cool as heck. I'm just perplexed at how it could possibly fit into the series at this point. Why not just call it Silent Evils or Resident Hills and start fresh?
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Alucard Nacirema posted:You say that yet Mortal Kombat (2011) and the recent Doom were tremendous success stories because they went back to basics and just gave the OG fans what they have been dying for with a few modern sprinkles and gameplay changes thrown in to shake things up. RE could have done the same thing. Dude, trust me on this. You do not know what you're talking about. You think you do, but you really don't. I'm not going to link my CV here, but I do this kind of thing for a living. One of the big lessons of video game marketing is that the vocal, "OG fans" are a big part of how you market a game, because they form the nucleus of your community. They're worth reaching out to, and a lot of companies will actively recruit the most visible members of their fan communities as managers or even producers. For example, Peter "ComboFiend" Rosas went from a high-end tournament player to a major community manager for Street Fighter V. However, at any given time, your vocal, "OG fans" are not your target market, because especially in a triple-A space, there aren't enough of them. You achieve sales success by pulling in the silent majority, which is where marketing comes in. It certainly doesn't hurt you to throw in a few things to keep those OG fans engaged, such as how Doom 4 is a love letter to the comic book and to the Brutal Doom fan mod, but your sales will come from the people you never have occasion to speak to. It's why, for example, most people on dedicated games forums like this one have anywhere from a casual dislike to a seething disregard for Resident Evil 5, but the game has moved something like eight million copies. If you went off the general fan reaction, everyone responsible for RE5 should be working at Burger King right now, but no; it's an overwhelming success story.
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Jun 14, 2016 20:40
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I just don't want RE7 to be, as a couple of others have said, a Spooky Walking Simulator (which given some of what people have said about the demo, it sounds like it is.) The market is quickly becoming saturated with games like that, and I like Resident Evil because it lets me shoot monsters. And Alucard, you are making me feel slightly guilty for waiting to get DOOM until the steam summer sale.
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Jun 14, 2016 20:43
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unless 7 is a massive failure to the extent that it kills the franchise permanently, who cares if they experiment a little? if they make a good game i will buy and play it, though not preorder it after how poorly rev2 ran at first. it is good to try new things, both for individuals and game developers.
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Jun 14, 2016 20:44
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Wanderer posted:Dude, trust me on this. You do not know what you're talking about. You think you do, but you really don't. I'm not going to link my CV here, but I do this kind of thing for a living. RE 5 moved copies because it was the sequel to RE 4, it was in development for a long time creating increased anticipation, the return of Chris Redfield (and possible conclusion of the story started in RE 1), and the first HD Resident Evil. Plain and Simple. It didn't hurt that it was a co-op shooter coming hot off the heels of Gears of War either. Theres a reason sales dropped with RE 6 (NEWS FLASH: Its because RE 5 wasn't that good)
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Mogomra posted:For the record, I think RE7 looks cool as heck. I'm just perplexed at how it could possibly fit into the series at this point. You don't get to start development on a third-party triple-A title right now unless it's a franchise entry, especially in Japan. The RE franchise is a lot more elastic than people give it credit for being, and right now, we don't know anything. The general thrust of it right now seems to be that a bunch of dudes who run a "ghost hunting" TV show explore a theoretically haunted house and get a lot more than they bargained for. I could name a half-dozen ways for that to happen in the RE universe right off the top of my head without making particularly deep lore cuts or inventing new kinds of mutations/monsters out of thin air.
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Jun 14, 2016 20:47
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Dr. Abysmal posted:I just hope they don't go full blown Amnesia/Outlast and make it "run and hide because you can't fight," not letting us blast monsters would be going too far imo As people have pointed out there is an "aim assist" option in the menu, so there's bound to be some kind of shooting combat in the full game. That, and the fact that there is an inventory system with limited space makes me pretty hopeful this won't deviate too far from Resident Evil.
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Alucard Nacirema posted:RE 5 moved copies because it was the sequel to RE 4, it was in development for a long time creating increased anticipation, the return of Chris Redfield (and possible conclusion of the story started in RE 1), and the first HD Resident Evil. Plain and Simple. so re5 did well because you like re4 and re6 was a failure because you didn't like re5. you are retarded.
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Jun 14, 2016 20:57
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Are there any guides to "things you might have missed" in the RE7 demo?
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Wanderer posted:The RE franchise is a lot more elastic than people give it credit for being, and right now, we don't know anything. The general thrust of it right now seems to be that a bunch of dudes who run a "ghost hunting" TV show explore a theoretically haunted house and get a lot more than they bargained for. I could name a half-dozen ways for that to happen in the RE universe right off the top of my head without making particularly deep lore cuts or inventing new kinds of mutations/monsters out of thin air. In a world where there are walking Bio WMDs and literal zombie bombs, why the hell would you ever be part of Ghost Hunters on the sci-fi channel? Maybe it's actually RE -1? Because 0 is already taken. I'm OK with any of the possibilities. I'm also totally fine with this being like Halloween 3 and not having anything at all to do with the rest of the series story-wise.
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drat, what a bummer that RE5 isn't on sale on Steam, I want to buy a copy for my friend.
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Jun 14, 2016 21:00
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Alucard Nacirema posted:RE 5 moved copies because it was the sequel to RE 4, it was in development for a long time creating increased anticipation, the return of Chris Redfield (and possible conclusion of the story started in RE 1), and the first HD Resident Evil. Plain and Simple. Like I said, you don't know what you're talking about. You're so invested in disliking the game that you're making up excuses out of whole cloth for why it sold as well as it did. There are all sorts of games I don't like that sell very well. I have no idea why anybody would want to play Rock Band, for example (because I have the sense of rhythm of a dead dog). Instead of trying to construct a timeline where exterior events all conspired to give the game an unearned success, however, I simply accept that other people like different things than I do and move on.
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Jun 14, 2016 21:02
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Serious Frolicking posted:so re5 did well because you like re4 and re6 was a failure because you didn't like re5. you are retarded. what? I loving hate RE 4. It destroyed the franchise.
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Jun 14, 2016 21:05
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apparently you can spot a vehicle section in the trailer for a split second in one of the really jumbled bits im gonna laugh so hard if re7 somehow takes the worst of all worlds once again
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Jun 14, 2016 21:06
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i liked i think it will be fun and good e: sorry no i did not like code veronica or outbreak
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Jun 14, 2016 21:07
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Alucard Nacirema posted:what? I loving hate RE 4. It destroyed the franchise. you heard it here folks
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Jun 14, 2016 21:09
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Mogomra posted:In a world where there are walking Bio WMDs and literal zombie bombs, why the hell would you ever be part of Ghost Hunters on the sci-fi channel? Maybe it's actually RE -1? Because 0 is already taken. One of the ongoing threads in the more recent games is that there's a lot of confusion surrounding the whole bioweapons/T-Virus thing, because there's an actual Illuminati-style circle of high-powered conspiracists who regard it as their job to keep the world relatively stable. It was actually a plot point in the first Revelations that nobody in a position of power took the threat of bioweapons seriously until Morgan Lansdale deliberately manufactured a major crisis in 2004, and there hasn't been a major outbreak in American flyover country for 12 years. Also, the band of schmucks in the demo don't look like they have any real funding or support, since their "crew" is one dude with what might be a super old camera. They could be fringe cases or something, who're so invested in the idea of discovering paranormal activity that they drive right past all the warning signs, the same way characters in a horror movie ignore the crazy old man who tells them about the killer in the woods.
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oh wow, apparently the demo for RE7 isn't even in the full game? That's cool. This demo is just meant to be a tonal showcase of what's to come, not actually a segment from the full game. Then if you keep watching a developer literally says "The pillars of Resident Evil: horror/survival, exploration, resource management, puzzles, and combat. Those are all in this game." I think RE7 is gonna be a good Resident Evil. Maybe? Bubba Smith fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Jun 14, 2016 |
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General Morden posted:you heard it here folks Just to be clear I hate it but do concede that a lot of people love it and hold it up as a legendary game.
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Jun 14, 2016 21:20
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On a different note, Do I need to play Revelations 1 to understand the story in Revelations 2 or are they totally unrelated?
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Wasn't RE6 Capcom's second best selling game of all time? If not being the literal best means people hated it, then everyone must despise Capcom titles.
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Alucard Nacirema posted:On a different note, Do I need to play Revelations 1 to understand the story in Revelations 2 or are they totally unrelated? There's a pretty big plot beat in RE:R2's Episode 3 that goes straight off of the first Revelations (it has to do with why a character did a thing), but that's really about it. Momomo posted:Wasn't RE6 Capcom's second best selling game of all time? If not being the literal best means people hated it, then everyone must despise Capcom titles. I actually just looked it up. The top three are RE5, SF2, and RE6, in that order. Monster Hunter 3 is #6, I think.
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Wanderer posted:One of the ongoing threads in the more recent games is that there's a lot of confusion surrounding the whole bioweapons/T-Virus thing, because there's an actual Illuminati-style circle of high-powered conspiracists who regard it as their job to keep the world relatively stable. It was actually a plot point in the first Revelations that nobody in a position of power took the threat of bioweapons seriously until Morgan Lansdale deliberately manufactured a major crisis in 2004, and there hasn't been a major outbreak in American flyover country for 12 years. You're right about all of that, I was just trying to make a humor-joke with ghost hunters and crap. Of course one of the main things about horror plots in general is that characters do things that normal sane people would never do in these situations. Rafza posted:e: sorry no i did not like code veronica or outbreak  w-what?
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It's almost like it's a teaser and people shouldn't judge a game over it?
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Serious Frolicking posted:so re5 did well because you like re4 and re6 was a failure because you didn't like re5. you are retarded. I think he's trying to say that RE5 did well because most people bought it due to how much they enjoyed 4, the same thing happened with Capcom's Battle Network franchise, 3 was considered the absolute best and sold the most, tons of people bought 4 only to get the worst game in the franchise, a game so bad it sent the BN franchise into a death spiral which is never recovered from, the same poo poo also happened with Devil May Cry, despite DMC3 considered the best among fans it actually sold the least due to how god awful DMC2 was. Capcom is a very inconsistent developer so its not surprise this happens to them a lot.
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Len posted:It's almost like it's a teaser and people shouldn't judge a game over it? The whole thing smells a lot like P.T. which is unexpected, but I'll take it.
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Jun 14, 2016 21:48
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I like video games and Resident Evil so I am excited to see what RE7 will be in seven months and if it's bad then ok I guess I'll just play other RE games more than it. Just give me my PSVR so I can try this on that.
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Alteisen posted:I think he's trying to say that RE5 did well because most people bought it due to how much they enjoyed 4, It's an assertion that's impossible to prove, and even if we had the data, there's also the fact that a good chunk of RE5's later sales came from its digital release. It moved something like an additional 1.2 million copies in the years after it came out, and has a fairly large if ridiculous mod community.
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Alteisen posted:I think he's trying to say that RE5 did well because most people bought it due to how much they enjoyed 4, the same thing happened with Capcom's Battle Network franchise, 3 was considered the absolute best and sold the most, tons of people bought 4 only to get the worst game in the franchise, a game so bad it sent the BN franchise into a death spiral which is never recovered from, the same poo poo also happened with Devil May Cry, despite DMC3 considered the best among fans it actually sold the least due to how god awful DMC2 was. Except RE 6 did reasonably well too. There is much more to it than simply how popular and we'll liked the previous game was.
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Mogomra posted:
outbreak multiplayer barely worked and the game was unfun as a whole CV i admit i did not finish playing through but this was years ago, i might need to revisit it. i had a real problem with it for some reason that really escapes me at the moment. something to do with the knife i think
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Alteisen posted:I think he's trying to say that RE5 did well because most people bought it due to how much they enjoyed 4, the same thing happened with Capcom's Battle Network franchise, 3 was considered the absolute best and sold the most, tons of people bought 4 only to get the worst game in the franchise, a game so bad it sent the BN franchise into a death spiral which is never recovered from, the same poo poo also happened with Devil May Cry, despite DMC3 considered the best among fans it actually sold the least due to how god awful DMC2 was. Len posted:It's almost like it's a teaser and people shouldn't judge a game over it?
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Fereydun posted:when you add se, dmc3 thankfully sells more than 2 by a large margin iirc Oh yeah? Well I've decided it's rear end so I cancelled my super special awesome preorder edition and just preordered the regular edition.
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Jun 14, 2016 21:59
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I have decided my RE7 sleeve tattoo will now only go down to above the elbow instead of covering my right pectoral muscle and forearm
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Rafza posted:outbreak multiplayer barely worked and the game was unfun as a whole I had the exact opposite experience with Outbreak. I regret not having the $$$ at the time to buy File #2. I still haven't played that one. CV can get to be a pain in the dick though. I was stuck with a save file before a tyrant fight with like zero ammo for the longest time.
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Then what the hell is the point of some of these items that you can find in the demo, like the celluloid finger and the axe?
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Jun 14, 2016 22:08
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It's what game developers call a "vertical slice." It's meant to signify the kind of game you're making, and may not technically be a part of it.
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Wow, the Steam database title for this is RESIDENT EVIL 7 biohazard / BIOHAZARD 7 resident evil That's something.
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Jun 14, 2016 22:21
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The way everything controls and how deliberate the melee "combat" feels in the teaser, i'm hoping for a Condemned style Resident evil, but with less hobos and more zombies.
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After playing that demo I can safely say I'll be passing on RE7 if that's what the main feel of the game will be. I've liked every numbered game and both Revs were a blast so this turn just isn't for me at all. Though I also just hate the scary walking simulator genre as a whole as I find it insanely boring to play. I'll just watch somebody LP it or get it on sale months after release for super cheap. At least there's REmake 2 to look forward to still for normal RE antics.
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Alucard Nacirema posted:what? I loving hate RE 4. It destroyed the franchise. i'm gonna start my yearly playthrough now just to spite you
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