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A crazy techno-fascist utopia plan from Eripsa? Why I never. Jesus man, the more I read the more I would rather be a prole in 1984 or a ground troop in Starship Troopers.
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# ¿ Jan 27, 2012 00:17 |
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# ¿ Apr 17, 2024 20:59 |
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Eripsa posted:Can you say why? If I'm meant to infer something obvious here I'm not seeing it. Eripsa posted:For a basic started model you wouldn't really need something ore complicated that an Rfid for every object and a Beacon in every pocket, and Rfids are cheap as dirt. This, mostly. Eripsa posted:Right, marbles don't get you anything, and they aren't necessary and sufficient for anything. All they do is serve to track all the data, and as an indicator of my relative influence in the network. Now this isn't exactly the same thing, but this is really starting to sound like Bitcoins to me. We all saw how well that turned out. Edit: vvv What up Bitcoin buddy
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# ¿ Jan 27, 2012 04:06 |
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I actually have a legit question rather than a pithy one-liner about Bitcoins (and let me tell you, it's really hard to ignore the urge) How do you plan to get past the Bystander Effect? The phenomenon where people will witness an emergency but not do anything because they all assume someone else will take care of it. I would think this would put a massive wrench in this whole attention->action chain.
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# ¿ Jan 27, 2012 15:41 |
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Eripsa posted:Big Mother loves you.
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# ¿ Jan 27, 2012 18:13 |
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Oh god we're playing into his hands.
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# ¿ Jan 27, 2012 22:50 |
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This. This is what millennia of human accomplishment has led to. Truly a success story for the ages.
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# ¿ Jan 28, 2012 01:26 |
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So in this techno-utopia you can just... walk into someone's apartment and take poo poo? And the only thing stopping me is people gettin' mad on Twitter?
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# ¿ Jan 31, 2012 22:05 |
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I just realized that this fantasy gives an enormous amount of power to the kind of people who go on 4chan and reddit all day and ruin peoples' lives for fun. Sign me up! Also this: Eripsa posted:But none of it is fool-proof, and I'm going to go ahead and naively state that the surest and most sustainable way to make sure people will be motivated to put in the work is to be honest and transparent about it, and show them that it is good important work, and to value their contributions to that work. is as gently caress and a line used in every single piece of dystopia fiction ever created.
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# ¿ Feb 1, 2012 17:14 |
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We can be alive and in slavery or dead and free. There is no middle ground.
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# ¿ Feb 1, 2012 18:07 |
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Eripsa posted:[...] Twice just in this post. Your system is weighed far, far too heavily on hoping for the best and dismissing the worst.
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# ¿ Feb 1, 2012 22:31 |
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Eripsa posted:Yes, slavery seems like a good strategy. It works! I think we have an obligation to do better than loving wage slavery. Jesus loving christ. That's not what he was talking about at all you disingenuous piece of poo poo. There are jobs out there that need to be done, that are invisible and miserable, and require incentive if they're ever going to be completed. Being the most popular girl at prom is not incentive for digging poo poo out of the earth a mile underground. The miners don't care about a bunch of people saying "Oh man you're so great." Being provided the means to obtain a rad new car is better incentive. Non-commodity money is a fantastic medium to exchange for goods and services and has been for just about all of recorded human history. And re: sustainability of the internet, it's actually not sustainable in its current form at all. The methods we use to access, use, build, and form the internet waste a ton of energy and are massively unsustainable, and there's only a couple billion people using it. Seven billion+ people all using computers and smartphones and poo poo in its current form will annihilate the planet in record time. We need your step 2 in this grand plan of yours. All you give us is the beginning and the end, with nothing more substantial than a handwave for the transitory period. And before you start with the disingenuous bullshit again, no I am not advocating the status quo. The status quo sucks. Your proposed solution of burning everything to the ground and starting over with the 4chan model is so much worse that I can't even fathom how you don't see it. People are dumb as poo poo. Outside of our respective expertise we're all a bunch of bumbling morons. I don't trust the crowd with medical, nutritional, or infrastructural decisions. I don't trust the crowd to choose the best person to make these decisions either. It's going to give more power to whatever guy can play best to a crowd rather than the person who may be more legitimately capable of the job. This happens all the time already, do you really think it's going to get better if we remove all structural resistance to it? And hey, you know, why not? I can think of a certain person in recent history who was really really popular and charismatic and caused untold amounts of pain and suffering because of it
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# ¿ Feb 2, 2012 17:54 |
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Eripsa posted:But this is SA, and everyone here is basically ya slavery works yo, so that argument isn't convincing on its own. But I've also said other things: Stop this. Nobody is saying this.
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# ¿ Feb 2, 2012 18:14 |
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Sir John Falstaff posted:Finally, you do see the prviacy implications in being tracked 100% of the time in everything you do, right? He does. He doesn't care. FOR THE GREATER GOOD.
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# ¿ Feb 2, 2012 18:50 |
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Cefte posted:But packs of wolves and colonies of ants and schools of fish occasionally do dumb poo poo and die. And without battleships, bombers, and ICBMs in play at that. Holy poo poo this techno-dystopia would be worse than I thought.
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# ¿ Feb 2, 2012 20:23 |
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Eripsa posted:A popularity contests [...] the only genuine meritocracies. What?
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# ¿ Feb 2, 2012 20:47 |
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Eripsa posted:I take this to be false. You need internet to participate in society, and without allowing participation in society you aren't a democracy and the organization is illegitimate. N- no... that's exactly what optional means.
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# ¿ Feb 2, 2012 21:56 |
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Eripsa posted:Yeah, there have to be ways to manage this. Tracking geospatial location is a pretty drat good way of distinguishing individuals and removing the duplicates. Think of it as a full-body captcha. What the gently caress
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# ¿ Feb 2, 2012 22:17 |
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ryde posted:He's already explained that we should not expect privacy in his system, so I don't see why this is surprising. Well, unless you're concerned with the technical feasibility of tracking 7 billion people in real-time, which is a good concern. I know, I know. It just never gets any easier to swallow.
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# ¿ Feb 2, 2012 22:30 |
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What on earth are digital values anyway? Raging at some girl because she won't gently caress you? Voting RON PAUL? Looking at pictures of cats?
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# ¿ Feb 3, 2012 00:18 |
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Hey eripsa what happens when the twittersphere inevitably achieves consensus that we should shame all sluts*? *sluts meaning "girl who won't gently caress me"
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# ¿ Feb 3, 2012 00:33 |
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So what I'm getting from this is Eripsa's dream civilization is the geth.
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# ¿ Feb 3, 2012 15:38 |
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evilweasel posted:In addition, Google did process each and every web page in its database: that's why it's there and has a 'page rank'. Now sir, are you trying to tell me that Eripsa is guilty of making a claim that is the exact opposite of reality? Because I don't buy it.
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# ¿ Feb 3, 2012 19:22 |
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You are not Leonardo Da Vinci.
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# ¿ Feb 3, 2012 20:59 |
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I know I've been pooping all over Eripsa in this thread but I am unironically looking forward to more of the story. Dunno if anyone else is.
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# ¿ Feb 4, 2012 01:55 |
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# ¿ Apr 17, 2024 20:59 |
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Eripsa please stop engaging these plebs and write more of your story. It would be an awesome techno-thriller and I want to hear about your take on lawbreakers (for lack of a better word since there are no codified laws) and the enforcement mechanisms. Also privacy concerns. Unrelated, did you ever see the movie Eagle Eye?
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# ¿ Feb 6, 2012 19:16 |