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New Zealand can eat me
Aug 29, 2008

I LIKE TO SMOKE DONGS. IF I HAVENT MENTIONED MY BLACK SATURN ASTRA MY ACCOUNT HAS BEEN STOLEN

You could also unlock the 6750s into 6950s? IIRC, I think I have the model numbers wrong but it was more shader units. The Fury also unlocked into the Fury X. Both were silicon lotto affairs and had the same stability issues when they were new. Once the drivers matured it definitely worked better in both cases

E: I don't think you're actually unlocking anything with that bios flash, it's just changing the clocks/voltages?

New Zealand can eat me fucked around with this message at Feb 13, 2018 around 17:31

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axeil
Feb 14, 2006

MR KELLY AND HIS WILD RIDE ARE DEAD.
LONG LIVE CARSON WENTZ AND HIS WAWA BATHROOM EMPIRE






Toilet Rascal

VelociBacon posted:

For only 5-10% increase thatís going to be super unstable. I think the 9600->9800 involved desoldering a pin or something.

Ah thanks! This seemed like the reasonable thought to me, glad to know I'm not being too cautious

I'm at home sick today so I'm playing around with undervolting and underclocking to get the card to maintain boost 100% of the time. Shifted from a State 7 Max of 1333 MHz/1150 mV (stock overclock from the manufacturer) to a State 7 Max of 1265 MHz/1020 mV and it's now holding boost 100% of the time. Firestrike overall score went from 10,396 to 10,580 by undervolting/underclocking from the manufacturer overclock.

I guess I just need to find the point between 1333/1150 and 1265/1020 to get the max performance?

I've also heard people on other overclocking forums talking about ASIC quality. GPU-Z reports mine as 86.9% but I have no idea what that means in terms of overclocking/undervolting stuff. Says its higher than 95.3% of the "similar" GPUs in its database.

edit: Is there a better way to check if a card holds boost other than keeping WattMan up in another window and checking the GPU clock graph?

axeil fucked around with this message at Feb 13, 2018 around 17:38

New Zealand can eat me
Aug 29, 2008

I LIKE TO SMOKE DONGS. IF I HAVENT MENTIONED MY BLACK SATURN ASTRA MY ACCOUNT HAS BEEN STOLEN

Do you mean your overall score for Firestrike? I only get ~7100 in combined with an 1800X and a Vega 64 (but 19,500 overall)

Otherwise I'm buying some RX 580s lol

axeil
Feb 14, 2006

MR KELLY AND HIS WILD RIDE ARE DEAD.
LONG LIVE CARSON WENTZ AND HIS WAWA BATHROOM EMPIRE






Toilet Rascal

New Zealand can eat me posted:

Do you mean your overall score for Firestrike? I only get ~7100 in combined with an 1800X and a Vega 64 (but 19,500 overall)

Otherwise I'm buying some RX 580s lol

Sorry, overall score not combined. Combined is 4,706 for the out-of-the-box settings with the power limit set to 50% and 4,638 for the undervolt.

craig588
Nov 19, 2005



9500s could unlock 4 ROPs to become 9500pros or 9700s, depending on what card you started with. 9700s could be driver modded to 9800s for better driver support because 9700 driver support got dropped quickly after the 9800 came out. X800s could unlock ROPs on a large number of cards to become a large number other cards. 6950s could unlock shader cores to become 6970s, same for a lot of AMD cards after that, 7950s, 290s, Furies. No soldering required for any of these mods. For Nvidia cards you could turn GTXes into Teslas or Quadros with soldering and bios flashing. The resistor network on the card and the bios had to agree what type of card it was so you flashed it, bricking it, then resoldered resistors to match what card the bios said it was and it worked again. No unlocking like secret GK200s or anything, the chips had to match from the consumer card you were coming from.

For AMD cards it was usually an all or nothing thing. If the disabled parts work they work 100%, if the disabled parts are faulty nothing brings them back.

It's like society was conspiring against me talking about modding old AMD cards. I was interrupted 5 times as I was writing this post.

axeil
Feb 14, 2006

MR KELLY AND HIS WILD RIDE ARE DEAD.
LONG LIVE CARSON WENTZ AND HIS WAWA BATHROOM EMPIRE






Toilet Rascal

Here's what I managed to pull off for my RX480. Putting State 7 at 1075 mV got a better result in Firestrike but it crashed Heaven so I classified it as unstable.

Max power at load went from 193 watts to 170 watts



Firestrike results

Initial (1330 MHz/1150 mV)


Final Stable Settings (1305 MHz/1080 mV)


Heaven Results

(didn't take an initial as I used it for stability tests only)



Thoughts? I did a version with higher level fans (3200 rpm) to try and maintain state 7 longer but I only saw about a 1-2 fps difference with a lot more noise.

This setting still doesn't maintain boost 100% of the time but the only setups I got that managed that were either unstable or much slower.

axeil fucked around with this message at Feb 13, 2018 around 21:00

1gnoirents
Jun 28, 2014


I had mentioned earlier I just put a basic OC on my 8600k and was impressed at 5.0 ghz @ 1.29 vcore. However I noticed issues I've never seen in prime95. Very quickly 2 of my cores will fail giving me a message about unexpected rounding error (0.5 expecting <0.4). Maybe 5-10 minutes in they will all fail the same way. To me this sounded like an outright stability failure, though one I've never seen before despite using prime95 extensively years ago. So I bumped my vcore up and up all the way to 1.3750 with no change. So I started dropping clockspeeds and it would actually affect when they fail, but I could never get it to stop failing. The only way to make it go away was revert to stock settings.

I thought perhaps my ram was causing math errors so I started bumping voltage there to no effect. I run the XMP profile, but its a modest 2666 mhz.

Throughout all this I never actually crashed my computer unless I tried to OC above 5.0. I am wondering if there is another voltage setting that isn't playing nice. I am so thoroughly unfamiliar with the other settings these days. Its astonishing how much terminology has changed since just Haswell, and I'm much less inclined to go down that path as well.

The other thing here is despite mining with it all night and most days, and playing games and some encoding and encryption, I haven't seen it crash at all. This is bizarre to me. Either something is failing in a way that just doesn't noticeably affect day to day use (that I can tell anyway) or I'm making prime95 fail for some reason. Does anybody have a clue?

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

Hey, hey, you better get back out there. There's a few places on that 'bot that weren't ripped to shreds.

I think prime85 is not considered a good/safe testing tool these days. Iíd use OCCT.

craig588
Nov 19, 2005



It's the most extreme unrealistic test you'll ever see. If you're cool in Prime you're cool in everything. Up to you what level of stability you want. It's at a point where being Prime stable isn't a baseline anymore though, you can be unstable in Prime and otherwise fine.

1gnoirents
Jun 28, 2014


Good enough for me lol. Thanks. Its a weird one to me because I've never had a stable system fail prime95, but failures always coincide with crashing at some point as well. I have had prime95 work all night and crash the first time I load Battlefield 4 or whatever it was at the time, so I have it in my head the opposite way where prime95 passing doesnt indicate stability but prime95 failing definitely indicates instability. But I guess that was dumb!

I used to use OCCT too. And XTU, and linpack straight, and some command line tester. I also used to run linpack (or variant) with Heaven, 3dmark, and that spinning doughnut one at the same time. Those were the days...

MREBoy
Mar 14, 2005
MREs - They're whats for breakfast, lunch AND dinner !

Is there such a thing as a big sheet of fan filter material I can buy & cut up as needed ? I have an old school Coolermaster Stacker 830 case and all the front bay blank plates have a grill that holds a small bit of filter material. The problem is the material is poo poo because the edges are not "sealed" and the stuff literally starts coming apart if I brush it/aircan it too hard. Picture to illustrate:



The unraveling should be noticeable around all four edges. The material is 1 3/8 inches by 5 3/4 inches by guessing 1/10th of a mm in thickness (slightly thicker than a piece of paper) in size, have 7 to replace. Something I could wash in a sink would be a plus.

mewse
May 2, 2006





MREBoy posted:

Is there such a thing as a big sheet of fan filter material I can buy & cut up as needed ? I have an old school Coolermaster Stacker 830 case and all the front bay blank plates have a grill that holds a small bit of filter material. The problem is the material is poo poo because the edges are not "sealed" and the stuff literally starts coming apart if I brush it/aircan it too hard. Picture to illustrate:



The unraveling should be noticeable around all four edges. The material is 1 3/8 inches by 5 3/4 inches by guessing 1/10th of a mm in thickness (slightly thicker than a piece of paper) in size, have 7 to replace. Something I could wash in a sink would be a plus.

Search amazon for fan mesh

headcase
Sep 28, 2001



Hello goons. I am new to this thread, but I think this is the right place for this question. I just put together a:

Asus Z370-E
lntel 8770K
Noctua NH-D15 SSO2
32gb 3600 RAM
Just 2 case fans right now

I noticed last night it was running at 75c in Overwatch, which threw up a red flag for me because of that beastly cooler I installed. Is this expected with MCE on? Should I turn it off? I am getting mixed and confused messages from randomly googled threads.

Does this indicate that my cooler is installed wrong? I've seen some people reporting ~60c under stress test with similar settings.

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

Hey, hey, you better get back out there. There's a few places on that 'bot that weren't ripped to shreds.

That seems fine and isnít too bad a temp, what do you get with other games?

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011



Multi-core enhancements tends to shove a metric fucktonne (this is a scientific term, I assure you) of voltage where said fucktonne of voltage is not necessarily required. If you force an all-core turbo clock speed yourself and lower the voltages to wherever it's stable at you'll get better temperatures at the expense of spending more time on it.

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

Hey, hey, you better get back out there. There's a few places on that 'bot that weren't ripped to shreds.

Kazinsal posted:

Multi-core enhancements tends to shove a metric fucktonne (this is a scientific term, I assure you) of voltage where said fucktonne of voltage is not necessarily required. If you force an all-core turbo clock speed yourself and lower the voltages to wherever it's stable at you'll get better temperatures at the expense of spending more time on it.

Just to add to this, an easy way to do this while retaining c-state stuff is to just use a voltage offset. Just keep pushing it lower and play quick play or whatever in Overwatch to stress test it.

headcase
Sep 28, 2001



Other... games?

Seriously though. That is the only piece of software I have installed so far, and I'm a terrible addict.

Edit: Got it. I can't wait to get home and try it. Thanks for the replies.

headcase fucked around with this message at Feb 20, 2018 around 20:40

headcase
Sep 28, 2001



Kazinsal posted:

Multi-core enhancements tends to shove a metric fucktonne (this is a scientific term, I assure you) of voltage where said fucktonne of voltage is not necessarily required. If you force an all-core turbo clock speed yourself and lower the voltages to wherever it's stable at you'll get better temperatures at the expense of spending more time on it.

Is there any reason to force an all core turbo vs letting Intel manage it?

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011



VelociBacon posted:

Just to add to this, an easy way to do this while retaining c-state stuff is to just use a voltage offset. Just keep pushing it lower and play quick play or whatever in Overwatch to stress test it.

headcase posted:

Is there any reason to force an all core turbo vs letting Intel manage it?

Yeah sorry I meant "synchronize all turbo clocks at 4.7 GHz or whatever so it doesn't step down to 4.3 GHz when it's using all six cores", not like "never not 4.7 GHz". Bad phrasing on my part.

Kazinsal fucked around with this message at Feb 20, 2018 around 20:47

Fauxtool
Oct 21, 2008



headcase posted:

Hello goons. I am new to this thread, but I think this is the right place for this question. I just put together a:

Asus Z370-E
lntel 8770K
Noctua NH-D15 SSO2
32gb 3600 RAM
Just 2 case fans right now

I noticed last night it was running at 75c in Overwatch, which threw up a red flag for me because of that beastly cooler I installed. Is this expected with MCE on? Should I turn it off? I am getting mixed and confused messages from randomly googled threads.

Does this indicate that my cooler is installed wrong? I've seen some people reporting ~60c under stress test with similar settings.

I had a similar problem with a beastly cooler. Did you remember to take off the clear plastic sticker from the coolers coldplate?

I know you are sure you did, but did you really?

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headcase
Sep 28, 2001



heh... there was a hard plastic piece on it, but I don't remember a sticker. Maybe I should check.

edit: Oh haha. Found the problem. Overwatch has a monitor for GPU temp not CPU. My CPU is sitting at 34 in overwatch according to Asus' monitor so all is well. That is stock speeds with MCE off.

headcase fucked around with this message at Feb 21, 2018 around 00:10

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