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Dude is Director of Clinical Allergy and Immunology Services at a teaching hospital. He knows his poo poo. That's why he classified it as being an anecdote and not Science. But yeah, anyone who thinks they have an issue with gluten should talk to an Allergist/Immunologist. Testing is difficult, time consuming, and expensive. If you're reasonably intelligent you may be able to do an elimination diet on your own and reintroduce gluten, but that's for desperate people without health insurance. Gluten intolerance actually does have severe longterm effects (not just a 'tummy ache') and is becoming much more common (as in officially diagnosed with testing, not people thinking they have it) I don't want to come off as some sort of anti-gluten warrior, it's actually one of the least of my concerns as far as my immune system goes (I can literally be killed by mustard, and ibuprofen) I just find the misconceptions people have about it to be very disheartening.
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mindphlux posted:I'm not saying I have an allergy to gluten, but if I do, my symptoms involve defecating rivers of yellowish watery poo poo, and constantly having abdominal discomfort. could just be IBS. Went through that poo poo for a year+ before it got diagnosed+controlled. Sounds like what was going on with me
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:Gluten intolerance actually does have severe longterm effects (not just a 'tummy ache') and is becoming much more common (as in officially diagnosed with testing, not people thinking they have it)
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EAT THE EGGS RICOLA posted:Is the testing covered by your insurance plans? If it is, then it's kind of silly for you to not do the biopsy/endoscopy. I have a pretty good insurance plan, for which I pay like $240 a month. Insurance gets me a "network rate" on these tests, but my deductible is loving $2500. Even with the discounted rate, I've racked up about $1500 in charges so far for just 2 diagnostic procedures. so no, at least for my above-average plan, it's not really "covered".
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whelp, I did it; booked tickets in October to Chicago. gonna try my best to get an Alinea reservation. anyone got any chicago tips? restaurants to visit? cheap yet decently located places to stay?
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:I don't want to come off as some sort of anti-gluten warrior, it's actually one of the least of my concerns as far as my immune system goes (I can literally be killed by mustard, and ibuprofen) I just find the misconceptions people have about it to be very disheartening. That makes you the second person I know of who's allergic to ibuprofen, I being the other. Does it swell your throat up too?
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mindphlux posted:whelp, I did it; booked tickets in October to Chicago. gonna try my best to get an Alinea reservation. GO TO NEXT AND AVIARY TOO!
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:gluten intolerance causes long term damage to your intestines and can lead to cancer over time. What? Do you have a peer-reviewed source for this statement? Because I just had a quick look on pubmed and all the studies I could see found no link between coeliac disease (or gluten intolerance) and cancer.
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Scientastic posted:What? Do you have a peer-reviewed source for this statement? Because I just had a quick look on pubmed and all the studies I could see found no link between coeliac disease (or gluten intolerance) and cancer.
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The data for coeliac disease and lymphoma isn't particularly convincing, but the largest study saw a link. A study showing that undiagnosed coeliac's have no increased risk and another that showed that gluten-free diets don't reduce the risk suggest that it's less to do with gluten "intolerance" and more to do with some underlying disorder, don't they? Maybe Gumbel2Gumbel has another source: I'd be interested to see it.
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Will there ever come a name-change thread again?
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GWS Culinary Chat: Food allergy? Might as well kill myself
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Scientastic posted:Food Nobody lets you skip the line at Disney World just because you get the running shits if you drink milk. Trust me on this.
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Dane posted:Nobody lets you skip the line at Disney World just because you get the running shits if you drink milk. Trust me on this. Bloody Make-A-Wish-Foundation FASCISTS.
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@Mindphlux: Your symptoms sound like my brother's gall bladder issues. It was a relatively quick operation, and he's fine now. Dear LJ, I'm going to QUITO! I'm so excited! Last time I went was in 2001, for a class trip, but this time it's with friends. The other two don't speak Spansih, so they're having me handle the arrangements in Ecuador, which is wicked cool. Both aren't really into the club scene or the shopping thing, so we'll actually get to do fun stuff like visit the equator, go to see their philharmonic group ($5 tickets, yo), eat at interesting places, go buy their amazing-fresh vegetables and bring it back to the hostel to cook it up and eat, wander around the beautiful buildings and plazas they have, and generally just explore the city. She even actively wants to avoid the ex-pat places, and stick to the stuff that the locals enjoy, so I won't have to go to places that serve (of all things) hummus, or hamburgers. Best part is that her and her sister are adventurous eaters, so they won't freak out if something looks strange, or has a lot of spice in. The best part is that I booked us separate rooms. Theirs is a double, mine is a single. In case any of us needs some quiet time, we can have it. Or, if we want to hang out together, that's possible too. We're going to meet tomorrow to go over logistics. This is so cool! dino. fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Jun 23, 2012 |
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Happy Hat posted:Will there ever come a name-change thread again? Dunno, but that would kick rear end. I can only eat so many globs. And I'm too uninspired to make a joke about pr0k's mom about eating globs.
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Do we have to challenge every person with some kind of eating requirement to justify themselves before talking about food with them? I've seen this happen with vegans, people trying to avoid saturated fat, pretty much anyone with any kind of diet restrictions. People with allergies are told that they probably don't have allergies. Seriously, the anger here is kind of disheartening. Who cares if it's a fad diet, and who cares if someone tries to go gluten free who isn't actually gluten intolerant? People trying to better themselves and control what they eat is a good thing. Why not assume that people can care for themselves? Or why not at least keep it friendly, instead of challenging them aggressively? I'm not trying to stir up poo poo, I'm speaking earnestly about something that bothers me on these forums, which I actually really like.
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wafflesnsegways posted:Do we have to challenge every person with some kind of eating requirement to justify themselves before talking about food with them? I've seen this happen with vegans, people trying to avoid saturated fat, pretty much anyone with any kind of diet restrictions. People with allergies are told that they probably don't have allergies. To be fair I think most people who eat gluten-free diets are probably doing it for no good reason. BUT! I'm happy the market is exploding because I have a couple of friends with very real problems, and it makes eating out so much easier for them.
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When my parents were kids, they were not supposed to eat the part of the tomatoes where it was attached to the stem - the reason being that you then would get polio and die. This was a very real thing that had the impact on the general populace that they would shun that part of the tomato as a westboro baptist shuns everything that is nice about life. When my kids were infants, we were supposed to shun milk, because bovine milk gives hearing issues in kids, and will mark them for life. When I was a kid, eating fat would make you fat, but sugar was healthy for you (a misconception sponsored by the sugar factories in Denmark). My point is that - yes, allergies are real, and they're goddamn awful. Not eating something because it doesn't 'agree with you' is perfectly acceptable too. Not eating something, because it is some sort of belief is perfectly fine too (like the vegans, paleo people, the pure baconists or anything dictated by religeous belief). But if you are Westboro Baptist church, and you spew irrational poo poo about your diet, I think it is ok to reciprocate in form. ...Now I will go back, and remove the blossom part from all of my tomatoes.
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wafflesnsegways posted:Do we have to challenge every person with some kind of eating requirement to justify themselves before talking about food with them? I've seen this happen with vegans, people trying to avoid saturated fat, pretty much anyone with any kind of diet restrictions. People with allergies are told that they probably don't have allergies. I think the real problem is expecting niceness on the internet. I would love it if everyone was as nice on the internet as they are in real life (I just KNOW you're all softies in real life), but I suspect that's a ridiculous expectation at this point. I have settled for people not being stupid as gently caress.
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wafflesnsegways posted:Do we have to challenge every person with some kind of eating requirement to justify themselves before talking about food with them? If they're spreading misinformation about the medical basis for their fad, then yes. As a cancer biologist, I get very cross when people make unfounded statements about the links between diet and cancer. My life is hard enough without people advocating ignorance and lies.
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pnumoman posted:I think the real problem is expecting niceness on the internet. I would love it if everyone was as nice on the internet as they are in real life (I just KNOW you're all softies in real life), but I suspect that's a ridiculous expectation at this point. I have settled for people not being stupid as gently caress. 
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wafflesnsegways posted:People trying to better themselves and control what they eat is a good thing. Also there's a lot of people here in the food/medical industry, and saying "My friend had a stomach ache so he went to the doctor and found out he has celiac disease, so he's eating gluten free. I have a stomach ache now, so obviously I have celiac too and will feel better if I go gluten-free!" and expecting niceties in here is kind of like going into SH/SC and saying "I downloaded speedycomputer.exe and ran it as admin, what can I do to make my computer from 2005 super fast?" and expecting kindness.
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But why are we even having that conversation in the first place? Someone came in and asked a question about avoiding gluten, and then had to spend several big posts proving that they actually have a reason for avoiding gluten. A while back, I said something about reducing saturated fat in my diet, and ended up giving my medical history to shut up someone who kept insisting that saturated fat is good for me. That's lovely.Yawgmoth posted:Also there's a lot of people here in the food/medical industry, and saying "My friend had a stomach ache so he went to the doctor and found out he has celiac disease, so he's eating gluten free. I have a stomach ache now, so obviously I have celiac too and will feel better if I go gluten-free!" I was in an Indian restaurant this week, listening to a woman try to order without hanging up her cell phone, while shouting at the Indian dude with limited english "Does that have gluten in it? Gluten!? Is there GLUTEN!? Whatever, I'll take that." But just because that woman was a monster doesn't mean that I have to be a dick to everyone who decides to try out a gluten-free diet and see if it helps them.
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wafflesnsegways posted:Do we have to challenge every person with some kind of eating requirement to justify themselves before talking about food with them? I've seen this happen with vegans, people trying to avoid saturated fat, pretty much anyone with any kind of diet restrictions. People with allergies are told that they probably don't have allergies. I think a lot of it is the same annoyance at how everyone on the internet also explains their social awkwardness by self-diagnosing as having aspergers.
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wafflesnsegways posted:But why are we even having that conversation in the first place? Someone came in and asked a question about avoiding gluten, and then had to spend several big posts proving that they actually have a reason for avoiding gluten. A while back, I said something about reducing saturated fat in my diet, and ended up giving my medical history to shut up someone who kept insisting that saturated fat is good for me. That's lovely. Because you (or whoever asks about whatever diet) likely the 8000th person the people in this forum have seen ask that question and 7992 of them were self diagnosing, believing some random nonsense pseudoscience etc... etc... etc... I don't say it condones every snarky response (and certainly some people consistently go over the line here) but these kind of questions are right up there with "I'm poor, teach me how to make ramen more interesting" posts for some.
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wafflesnsegways posted:But why are we even having that conversation in the first place? Someone came in and asked a question about avoiding gluten, and then had to spend several big posts proving that they actually have a reason for avoiding gluten. A while back, I said something about reducing saturated fat in my diet, and ended up giving my medical history to shut up someone who kept insisting that saturated fat is good for me. That's lovely. We're not intentionally being lovely, we're trying to get a complete picture for your benefit. Getting mad about people wanting more info so they can help you better is lovely.
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Hmm - when they hired my student aid, she was assigned to me on the basis of 'having worked at no less than 3 bars' - I need to consider my reputation really... ... and she also informed our male student workers that I was a nice guy, and that they should just prank me a bit more... I need to fire her, really! Happy Hat fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Jun 23, 2012 |
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dino. posted:I'd say that many of the people I've met here have been perfectly nice. Happy Hat, and Potehto, and Halal, and the Charmmis, and MP. I think sometimes people forget that there's a real human on the other side of the screen, with actual feelings, and it doesn't feel very good to be on the receiving end of mean-ness. Look at this guy, trying post like a person and not the prey animal he is. Food chain bitch, loving live it.
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I don't think anyone's being mean intentionally.Yawgmoth posted:People want to have a complete picture before they give an answer. If you want to just throw out a question with no context and get answers from people who don't need/want a complete picture before giving an answer, there's sites for that. But on this forum people like to know as much as possible before answering, because "how do I lower my saturated fat intake?" for example is not a question one can answer without knowing what you're eating currently. In that exchange, I wasn't asking for anyone's help. I was sharing a couple things I like to eat with someone who asked. Sort of like how Toriori was just making a chatty "eating gluten-free is tough" post when everyone piled on. Basically, everyone has to decide who they trust when it comes to making diet decisions, and GWS posters with funny names are never going to rank that high, so why play food police? You're probably not going to change anyone's mind, and you probably will scare people away.
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I have just finished off a bottle of recioto with my wife, a wine that is like an experienced concubine at a senior prom, looking upon the nervous girls who're about to lose their maidenheads to fumbling youths with half flasks hidden in the bushes, with a certain air of deep experience, and oozing experience from ever pore, giving an off an aura of raw sexuality and unopposable seductiveness that will lead to bodily harm at best and exhumed bodies at worst. She (the wine) has tangoed with my olfactory organs, and from there has lodged herself right in my groin, much to my wife's benefit. What I am saying is two things, one; this is really a good wine, and two; I am happy! People should drink more recioto!
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http://www.chefandy.com/tips.html Oh, it's still delicious, still light, still filled with fresh fruit taste -- but somehow it seems a little more exotic. How about it?
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Scientastic posted:The data for coeliac disease and lymphoma isn't particularly convincing, but the largest study saw a link. wafflesnsegways posted:People with allergies are told that they probably don't have allergies.
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SubG posted:Oh, I wasn't advocating a connexion---I was just pointing it out because if you were doing your PubMed search for `cancer' you mightn't be seeing the lymphoma papers, and (I am assuming) they are the basis for the claim Gumbel2Gumbel was repeating. I know. I was just in data summarising mode.
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SubG posted:Is it your position that it is improper to say this because it isn't true, or that it is simply impolite to say it regardless of its truth? I'm actually asking for your option here, I'm not baiting a trap or anything. I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing out that people are wrong about allergies all the time. It's the sense of hostility that bugs me.
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In unrelated news, I just finished bottling the last two batches of homebrew I made for my wedding. 600 beers in all, 5 types. I figure either all 600 will run out early, or we'll have 450 left over after. Nothing in between. Luckily, all of these except the IPA should age well.
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wafflesnsegways posted:Basically, everyone has to decide who they trust when it comes to making diet decisions, and GWS posters with funny names are never going to rank that high, so why play food police? You're probably not going to change anyone's mind, and you probably will scare people away. And why shouldn't we ask "hey are you following that diet because a doctor told you or because you read it on dietz4u.com?" Honestly, if being asked questioned about your choices is going to scare you away from a forum, then you should probably reexamine those choices and why you made them. You should be ready to defend your opinions and choices at any time, not just in GWS. This isn't a massive task, it just requires a little metacognition. Lastly, I find your "it probably won't have an effect so never try to change anyone's mind" to be rather insulting. I'd rather risk offending people at the chance to educate them and lead them to a better understanding and a more informed decision than lay down and say "well it might not work so I'm not gonna do it." So yes, we might scare some people off, but those people are the kind of folk who think Sandra Lee is an amazing cook and refuse to hear anything to the contrary.
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wafflesnsegways posted:Basically, everyone has to decide who they trust when it comes to making diet decisions, and GWS posters with funny names are never going to rank that high, so why play food police? You're probably not going to change anyone's mind, and you probably will scare people away. I personally would highly trust the advice from GWS posters with funny names. I've been seeing them interact for years, reading their words, seeing their perspective. There are a lot of smart people here who possess a vast range of knowledge. I don't post here often, but if I had a cooking question, this is the first place I'd go. The GWS Collective has failed to scare me away. 
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