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Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




I powered through this thread in a couple of days and I agree: it is awesome.

At one point I was a little worried that lazerbot was introducing too many factions at once, but it's all starting to tie in together nicely. I'm legitimately impressed. The only subplot that is still sort of in limbo is the Mario-Troll Slaiyers conflict, but I have faith that this too will be resolved in due time.

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Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




Alright, it's all starting to come together now. Shadow's faction has been remarkably ineffective ever since the justen bever fiasco, I'm curious to see what plan they're going to come up with.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




JazzFlight posted:

I can't wait until lazerbot posts the next page... oh, what's that? Chapter 3, Part 1 Motion Comic is done? Well, alllllllllright then!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYfNSKtqyf0

As always, more to come in the near-future!

Thanks for this, it's awesome as usual. A great way to tide us over until lazerbot starts updating again.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




So Bowser is a member of Shadow's Troll Slaiyers, right? At this point I think I need a flowchart to keep track of who belongs to which faction.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




Mario betrayed the Troll Slaiyers back in one of the early chapters, there was even a fight scene involving him and Shadow's crew. He has shown himself to be quite the sociopath, seeing others as little more than expendable tools to be used to further his own personal goals. The only person he cared about was Luigi, and now Luigi's dead.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




FlocksOfMice posted:

It's not really fair to call him a bad guy. Shadow himself is sort of a sociopath--Mario even pointed out that Shadow had no problem killing Daffy and Bugs to get what he wanted.

Tails Got Trolled is too complex and nuanced for that kind of black-and-white thinking. Everyone has their own goals and motives, and the push up against one another, but that's really about it.

I would submit that Mario is more of a 'bad guy' than Shadow, though of course I agree that it would be wrong to summarize our generation's War And Peace in these simplistic terms to begin with. Not only does his plan indirectly lead to the death of Sonic, which may indeed not be much different from Shadow's callous disregard for the lives of Daffy and Bugs, but he also provokes a showdown with his erstwhile allies despite the fact that there is no real reason to do so. He could have just left. Remember at the beginning of Chapter 5:



I think while Shadow can still reasonably be described as a gritty, dark anti-hero doing what's necessary for the greater good, Mario crosses over into being evil for evil's sake, perhaps due to his abusive childhood. He opposes the main antagonists out of a desire for revenge, but I wouldn't say the audience was meant to sympathize with him.

That said, precious few characters allow lofty ideals to get in the way of their goals and/or their thirst for vengeance. Even Sonic literally backstabbed Eggman after he got what he wanted from him.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




Chernabog posted:

The baby looks exactly like the troll from the first page of TGT.

lazerbot is forcing you to consider the human cost of this conflict. After more than ten chapters, it is suggested that the bald troll who died at the very beginning had a family, retroactively making his death more poignant. Morality is not black and white in this universe, and you begin to wonder whether people really deserve to die horribly for trolling others by calling them faggy noobs.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




Nathander posted:

Agreed. That was pretty much the point of his whole conversation with Mario afterwards when Mario reveals Luigi was a double agent and willingly killed Shadow's friends to maintain his disguise so the Mario brothers could keep moving towards their goal.

As much as a psychopath as Mario is, he had a point when he told Shadow that they were the same. This is basically going to cement it.

They're not entirely the same, in my view. Daffy and Bugs were murdered because it served a higher purpose and in a fit of righteous rage, respectively. It's also worth noting that Shadow had never even met Daffy before. I think it's still possible to sympathize with Shadow in a dark, vengeful, unhinged antihero kind of way.
In contrast, Mario not only cold-bloodedly betrays the Troll Slaiyers after gaining their trust and respect, he takes visible pleasure in telling them this and then tries to murder them for no real reason.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




Plutonis posted:

Aw... Apparently it was not intentional that the baby looked like fat troll.

Did lazerbot say something to that effect? In any case, it's not too late to retcon it as being intentional.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




How far did he get with the fairy comic?

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




I bet lazerbot has no idea what Shadow's plan is at this point.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




Nice attention to detail as well, Olivia. I notice he has no loving ears.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




Not sure. The 'you loving shoot them' bit is classic lazerbot, but I agree that there's something off about the rest of the dialogue. Like it's guest comic week.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




Undead Unicorn posted:

Yeah, was on ED chatlogs. Ponygiotis Vavetsikas is claiming responsibility.

What? That's not even funny. What an rear end in a top hat.

I don't see why this means the comic won't be continued, though. He just needs a new account.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




Plutonis posted:

Yeah, i want to hear a "so whats your amazing story, i
cant wait to hear it, wow!! oh
thats me being sarcastic if you couldn't tell." on that voice.

Tails really has evolved a lot as a character. Look at what an unredeemable crybaby he was at the beginning of TGT:



He should have the same basic voice, obviously, but maybe his newfound coolness should somehow be reflected in a slight change of tone.

Also, can anyone tell me what Shadow is holding in the top left corner of the page I just posted? Is it a piece of paper? Is he writing something? The first time I saw it I thought it was supposed to be like a psychiatrist taking notes.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




Georgia Peach posted:

He's a talentless-looking hoe.

Only retarded people and fat retarded people would hack lazerbot's account.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




ThatPazuzu posted:

Let's take a break of the Lazerboy Gets Trolled saga for some fanart

This isn't mine but I just like fat troll and fat troll's not baby meeting up in heaven.

I love it - but would a troll really be allowed to go to heaven?

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




PhysicsFrenzy posted:

Seriously. Lazy-B is a hundred times better than a lot of professionals when it comes to showing action.

Unless it starts dragging on like the Mario-Troll King fight. But so far, so good.

ClownSyndrome posted:

Holy poo poo, I wouldn't have thought the voice for Vector in the audio versions of TGT was THAT close to the real thing

Aramek's voice for Shadow is apparently pretty close to the real thing as well. He sounds somewhat more badass in TGT, but that's definitely fitting. How about Sonic, is his whiny voice canon? I've never seen the cartoon. It never even aired in my country, as far as I know.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




Daionus the 23rd posted:

Sonic and Tails sound nothing like that. Neither does Knuckles, but that just means Sega needs to get Aramek to replace a couple of their VAs.

Knuckles, definitely. I don't even want to hear the 'original' version. Aramek Knuckles is canon for me.

so your telling me you wasn't drunk or hosed up in anyway.when you had sex with me and that monkey

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




nerdbot posted:

Really looking forward to Wile E. Coyote eating Road Runner's brains

TGT will make you say things like this.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




withheldmcfakename posted:

And it was nice to hear a bit of Knuckles since he won't be back until Chapter 6.

I can't wait until we get to the part with Knuckles and Elmer Fudd. 'Dude I think she's talking about me.'

This is the best goon project ever, thank you Aramek and JazzFlight.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




Waffleman_ posted:

I just don't care about his original characters at all. Except Rob of course. I didn't even remember Demaro and Garry's names until you guys brought them up.

I don't entirely agree, Troll King and Emo Guy are definitely interesting and well-rounded characters. But as for Gary and Demaro, I can't really bring myself to care. I had a hard time even remembering how they fit into the narrative (though one of them did give us the memorable line 'noobs better run').

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




ThatPazuzu posted:

The short version is he subscribes to the South Park theory. At least he means no harm in it.

You were expecting what, exactly?

In a way, he's even right. There is this typically American/identity-politics tendency to be completely obsessed with the specific form that discourse takes while practically ignoring the real, underlying structures that cause these sentiments to exist in the first place. Successfully turning 'fag' into a taboo word isn't going to make homophobia go away.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




JazzFlight posted:

There's no "right" about anything Lazerbot's saying regarding this whole gay insult thing. It'd be one thing if he was using fag as a replacement for rear end in a top hat/idiot, but he was insulting the hacker by saying that all he does is watch gay porn. He's using being actually "gay" gay as a bad thing, like being fat or stupid. He can't exactly hide behind the "oh, it doesn't actually mean being homosexual" when that's exactly the form he's using.

Right, I can agree that it's a bad word to use, especially in that way.

It just baffles me that so many people here apparently expect lazerbot to have the same (semi-)intellectual, upper-middle class, humanities-student sensibilities that they do. Have we been reading the same comic? He is never going to live up to your online social justice standards.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




Attention Horse posted:

This fight is so loving boring, LazyB please make it stop :saddowns:.

I agree that it's boring, but he doesn't owe us anything. Let the man do his thing.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




He should be saying something about taking a nap and then taking a poo poo - or was it the other way around?

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




Looks like TGT is back and better than ever. Silver continues to be one of my favorite characters. He's very self-aware and is clearly wracked by serious existential doubts, but he still manages to be a likeable protagonist. He has proven himself to be an effective leader, but his failed jokes and his awkwardness around Blaze give him an endearing touch of vulnerability.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




So JazzFlight, when are we getting a new video? I'm rewatching the first few chapters of the motion comic on YouTube and they're still brilliant.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




Laputanmachine posted:

Could Lowtax or someone make a new type of account available?

A browsing account, for this type of cases. The account holder has full access to everything (Maybe not archives, unless there some feasible way of merging upgrades can be worked out), but is unable to post.

If you're going to be spending money on an Internet forum, you might as well buy a regular account straight away.

Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Oct 9, 2012

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




RandomFerret posted:

If you're writing vitriolic screeds about the SA paywall, it's working as intended.

What I'm taking away from this is that he seems to attach a lot of importance to this thread.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




Waffleman_ posted:

Despite the burn against us, it seems he HAS taken our feedback into consideration for this fight, adding in some meanwhiles to keep things from dragging on.

Yeah, the pacing is fine now. It also helps that Rob is such a fantastic character; he may have no loving ears but he does have a heart of gold.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




ThatPazuzu posted:

During construction Luigi was already dressed in his evil mode

Actually, he was already dressed like that when they came up with the plan for the concert in Bugs Bunny's hideout. That's also when Mario asked him why he didn't take that 'gay poo poo' off.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




Is it me or is lazerbot's art legitimately becoming pretty good? Maybe a little too much motion blur, but still.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




Col. Justice posted:

e - Also, there is no way is he really dead. That was way too easy.

That's what we thought about Sonic, too. lazerbot is the George R.R. Martin of webcomics.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




Rob's death is completely at odds with my headcanon. Time to start sending lazerbot death threats.

ComradeCosmobot posted:

The greatest irony of the Slaiyers is that they have barely made a dint on the troll menace short of Rob's setting a few on fire when escaping from a foolhardy infiltration of their castle and Shadow's murder of the first two.

Shadow's faction has accomplished basically nothing so far. It's amazing how our expectations keep getting subverted.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




Fucknag posted:

e: To compare:



This guy can take a hard sucker punch to the nose without even staggering. I have to admit that's pretty impressive. Oh wait no, it's just Buckley being a bad artist.

That's what I like about lazerbot; even if his art is not very good in any objective sense, the mere fact that he shows improvement and a willingness to experiment puts him ahead of people like Buckley.

Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Dec 3, 2012

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




You know, those are both really good. Definitely going to show up in lazerbot's next fanart compilation video.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




Amazing. I love your drawing style, AbominableSnow. lazerbot is going to be so proud of you when he sees this.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




Edit: sorry, I didn't see Waterhaul's post when I replied.

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Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




Is that really what Sonic would have done? The same Sonic that literally stabbed Eggman in the back after getting what he wanted? Well, I guess Tails doesn't know about that, so Sonic is still a paragon of virtue to him.

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