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http://www.supermicro.com/products/nfo/FatTwin.cfm Just purely asking, does anyone use or know people who use super micro? I can't help stop thinking how awesome that FatTwin looks, then I found out the price and can't stop thinking about it
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Corvettefisher posted:http://www.supermicro.com/products/nfo/FatTwin.cfm Off the top of my head Etsy runs almost entirely on Supermicro. We've used them and I have no complaints. Edit: Not for virtualization though. http://codeascraft.etsy.com/2012/08/31/what-hardware-powers-etsy-com/ Nukelear v.2 fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Sep 12, 2012 |
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Thanks either way! I hope some other goons have experiences or know some good reviews that would be awesome. Not sure about production but maybe a fat twin 2u with 4 servers for a demo/dev lab environment, or PoC for some clients.
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Corvettefisher posted:Thanks either way! I hope some other goons have experiences or know some good reviews that would be awesome. Not sure about production but maybe a fat twin 2u with 4 servers for a demo/dev lab environment, or PoC for some clients. Seems like they'd be really sweet for any application where you don't need a "you fuckers better have a replacement part in my hands within 4 hours" support contract, or tons of direct-attached storage. A big farm of totally interchangeable stateless web servers like Etsy runs is pretty much an ideal use case for commodity parts. It would be pretty funny to plunk down a 2U fat twin on a client's desk and say "this vSphere cluster will replace your 2 racks full of ancient underutilized machines" v  v
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Corvettefisher posted:http://www.supermicro.com/products/nfo/FatTwin.cfm We do (or, I should say did), through a Supermicro OEM, Silicon Mechanics. Since I've taken over the purchasing decisions, they aren't going to be used for production systems anymore. They have way too many random quirks and support is scattered across the board. If I need to update a driver on a dell system, I punch in the service code into the website and I get the right drivers. To update it on one of the supermicro systems, I need to find out what hardware flavor they were putting into the machine at that point, track down the manufacturer's website, and download the driver from there (knowing all the while that the driver was never fully validated with the rest of the hardware that was shipped with the machine.) As lab machines, fine. If you are going to be buying 10 racks worth of the same machine and throwing the same OS image on all of them, you should be fine too. If you have a large support staff, you may be ok as well. However, if you are a smaller shop with limited management resources, run the gently caress away. I've been bitten no less than 5 times this year alone with critical hardware failures that were nebulous as hell to track down and resolve. Two of our machines of the same type like to dump their network connection randomly and won't come back until after you do a hard boot (as in, complete power off, not soft reset.) I can't even tell you how many MegaRAID cards we've had to RMA. We've also gone through at least 3 backplanes on various servers (one of them leading to massive drive corruption when it decided to go.) Every single piece of hardware had to be ordered and shipped with a lead time of 4-7 days. Also, the built in IPMI is comical compared to the iDrac7 Enterprise that you get on the 12th gen poweredge servers.
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Docjowles posted:Seems like they'd be really sweet for any application where you don't need a "you fuckers better have a replacement part in my hands within 4 hours" support contract, or tons of direct-attached storage. A big farm of totally interchangeable stateless web servers like Etsy runs is pretty much an ideal use case for commodity parts. From what I hear they only do next day however the post I saw somewhere else was from 2009, I believe they would do that or at least overnight which isn't so bad with vmware HA capabilities. The ability to show how much consolidation can be done is also great, and being able to say "What? You mean X company didn't bring in a data center for you to try out?" Could be a HUGE selling point. bull3964 posted:We do (or, I should say did), through a Supermicro OEM, Silicon Mechanics. <3 Dell servers. I feel your pain with the MegaRAID cards, UCS servers have them as stock I believe. Oh you wanna stop responding for 5 minutes controller? Any reason why? No? You just felt like it! how nice of you... This would most likely only be for labs and demos, and just the ability to say "Oh I have a datacenter you guys can play with for X days" I am sure I could amaze some clients by going "Here is a VDI, Domain Controllers, SQL, Sharepoint and Exchange. Now watch what happens when I cut a server off, Neat huh?" Dilbert As FUCK fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Sep 12, 2012 |
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Supermicro is unfortunately going to bring you some trouble if your virtualize on it (well, VMware anyway, from experience). Very random issues/quirks.
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Corvettefisher posted:http://www.supermicro.com/products/nfo/FatTwin.cfm We used to like 5 years ago, and ran the gently caress away after waaaay too many random issues.
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Anyone updated to vCenter or ESXi 5.1 yet? Any trip reports?
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Mierdaan posted:Anyone updated to vCenter or ESXi 5.1 yet? Any trip reports? Lab yes, otherwise no I haven't gotten keys for it yet. I do like the new 'simple install' Even if it did crash the first time
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Mierdaan posted:Anyone updated to vCenter or ESXi 5.1 yet? Any trip reports? I've been using the beta in my home lab for a while with no issues. There's a bug with the EMC VMAX when creating VMFS-5 datastores if not running a certain code level, and it's also not supported with any versions of View. Those have been the only two things I've ran in to.
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My standalone lab server doesn't want to seem to upgrade. - Downloaded VMware-ESXi-5.1.0-799733-depot.zip from VMware. - Placed it on the local datastore. - Tried to install code:I can only assume I am hamfisting or screwing up something.
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Not to sure about that, any reason not to use vum or are you just trying to do it cli for the experience? Actually try esxcli software vib update --depot /vmfs/volumes/<dataStoreName>/<folderName>/VMware-ESXi-5.1.0-799733-depot.zip minus the = Dilbert As FUCK fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Sep 13, 2012 |
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Sep 13, 2012 21:36
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Corvettefisher posted:Not to sure about that, any reason not to use vum or are you just trying to do it cli for the experience? The server is a standalone server not attached to vCenter. Tried it without the = as well (google showed use of both = and a space). Edit: The checksum didn't match up. Just redownloaded and it worked fine. I think that's the first time I have had a file get borked from a download. Moey fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Sep 13, 2012 |
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How long should I spend troubleshooting terrible datastore latency when using Dell's R610 integrated broadcom NICs before I just replace them? Do these things work OK for anyone?
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Mierdaan posted:How long should I spend troubleshooting terrible datastore latency when using Dell's R610 integrated broadcom NICs before I just replace them? Do these things work OK for anyone? I have never had any problem with ours. For almost two years they have been used in multiple roles without issue (management, VMNetwork, iSCSI and vMotion). Is it only with storage you are having issues, or is there bad latency when used for other traffic?
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Mierdaan posted:How long should I spend troubleshooting terrible datastore latency when using Dell's R610 integrated broadcom NICs before I just replace them? Do these things work OK for anyone? Are they broadcom by chance? I have never had good perfromance when compared to intel or the cisco VICs. Furthermore I really don't use onboard for storage, maybe as a failback, but not primary for storage. What kind of performance issues are you having?
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Mierdaan posted:How long should I spend troubleshooting terrible datastore latency when using Dell's R610 integrated broadcom NICs before I just replace them? Do these things work OK for anyone? Corvettefisher posted:Are they broadcom by chance?
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???? I have had a history of issues with broadcom drivers and esxi not working right. Is that not the case for you?
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No, he asked if anyone has issues specifically with Broadcom NICs and you asked if they were Broadcom NICs. You seem like you're always in a hurry to post post post regardless of whether it'll prove helpful. You live up to your title, for sure.
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Wow go me :/ Oh well class is starting time try and help some students Dilbert As FUCK fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Sep 13, 2012 |
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Moey posted:The server is a standalone server not attached to vCenter. Welp. Updating from the latest 5.0 to 5.1 seemed screw this thing up. Update ran fine, needed to reboot after. Reboot server. It comes back online (pingable) but cannot get in with the vSphere client (server could not interpret the communication from the client error). Try pulling up the servers IP in a browser, I just get "503 Service Unavailable". Good thing this is just a test/dev box (although I do need to get it back online for other testing). Edit: Booting into recovery and rolling back the version fixed it right up. I should probably double check to see if this aging hardware is still supported in 5.1. Double Edit: PowerEdge 2950s are still supported. Will investigate later. Triple Edit: Wowza, the bios on that server is extremely old, probably should update that. Moey fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Sep 13, 2012 |
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Moey posted:I have never had any problem with ours. For almost two years they have been used in multiple roles without issue (management, VMNetwork, iSCSI and vMotion). My issue is seeing the normal 5-15ms latency on my Compellent disks, but crap like this at the datastore level.  This is with 2x onboard Broadcom interfaces configured as I was describing earlier in the thread (look at post history for screenshots). code:code:
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Stop yelling at your hard drives https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDacjrSCeq4
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Mierdaan posted:usefull stuff That driver version is mighty old, from what I can tell from some google fu'ing it is from about a year ago.(going from this thread http://communities.vmware.com/thread/327921?start=15&tstart=0 ) http://www.dell.com/support/drivers/us/en/04/Product/poweredge-r610 Should get you the latest broadcom drivers, if you haven't already done so. You also might want to check out what esxtop, and powercli in general, is reporting not just the vsphere client. Does this problem occur on other 2 hosts with the same adapters/setup?
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Yeah updating the drivers was already on my agenda for tomorrow. esxtop shows DAVG/rd and DAVG/wr spiking to >100 pretty regularly, so that matches the performance graphs. And yeah it's all 3 cluster hosts.
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Blew off a date this weekend so I can sit my rear end down, study more, and rewriting the lovely OP I did. Also ordering some vitamins to help with neurological and critical thinking so I can be less dumb, and reformatting to Centos, and selling my 6970 so instead of playing the occasional video game on the weekends I will just study. I am leaving the first bullet the same, and revising 2 down.  Open to criticism(I know there is a lot), suggestions, and talks about the weather. Mostly gearing the OP to VMware since I really don't see people talking about Xen, or Hyper-V much.
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Corvettefisher posted:Blew off a date this weekend so I can sit my rear end down, study more, and rewriting the lovely OP I did.
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Syano posted:dude, we told you on the first page. Hyperv is not a host based hypervisor Fixing it, I did a straight copy and paste of the first paragraph guess I just never fixed it Dilbert As FUCK fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Sep 14, 2012 |
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Mierdaan posted:How long should I spend troubleshooting terrible datastore latency when using Dell's R610 integrated broadcom NICs before I just replace them? Do these things work OK for anyone? I used to build network hardware at my previous gig. We bought Broadcom PHYs and implemented our own MAC in VHDL. No, of course they didn't work for us and we got little documentation and support despite paying boatloads for the PHYs. gently caress Broadcom. Corvettefisher posted:Fixing it, I did a straight copy and paste of the first paragraph guess I just never fixed it Should at least mention VirtualBox and Vagrant (get someone else to write about this). Maybe some stuff about Xen, KVM, Solaris/SmartOS Zones perhaps? edit: And then there's stuff like OpenVZ as well. luminalflux fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Sep 14, 2012 |
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Corvettefisher posted:http://www.supermicro.com/products/nfo/FatTwin.cfm We used them all the time at my last job. They are good if you need bargain systems and have a decent vendor that builds and tests them properly. Sometimes when a new machine would come out we would have a few kinks to work out for things like BIOS settings or backplane switches cause the vendor just slapped things together (probably cause my boss always wanted things like ASAP and not having any testing done first)
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CentOS hogs 100% of the CPU in VirtualBox unless you select ICH9 as the motherboard type instead of PIIX - even though it will bitch at you for being an sub-optimal setting. No wonder it took a minute just to boot up. Also, install the dkms package from RPMForge or you'll have to re-install the VBOXADDITIONS every time yum upgrades the kernel.
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Of course black mesa source comes out this weekend... Oh well testing out the guest OS reclaimation, hopefully it doesn't destroy partitions and vmdk's like in the first release of it.
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How do you normally update the firmware on Broadcom NICs in an ESXi host, given that everyone seems to package them for Windows and Linux only? CentOS live CD? A VMware support rep literally just suggested to me, twice, that I create a Windows guest and run the firmware update utility in there.
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Dell server? Should have a boot cd you can use to update your firmware. Stick your service tag in the support site and you can download the latest copy if you do not have it BTW. This is one the myriad reasons you dont use supermicro unless you really know what you are getting in to
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Syano posted:Dell server? Should have a boot cd you can use to update your firmware. Stick your service tag in the support site and you can download the latest copy if you do not have it Yeah they're Dell. Thanks for reminding me that Dell puts those out. late-edit: actually the Dell Repo Manager tool doesn't even get the latest version of the Broadcom firmware. They actually recommend the liveCD method, specifically using the OMSA LiveCD and using the RedHat .bin driver packages off the Dell site. Mierdaan fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Sep 14, 2012 |
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Mierdaan posted:late-edit: actually the Dell Repo Manager tool doesn't even get the latest version of the Broadcom firmware.
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I'm sorry, did I stress enough that a loving VMware tech recommended I update my NIC firmware by running the firmware update tool in a Windows guest VM?
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Mierdaan posted:I'm sorry, did I stress enough that a loving VMware tech recommended I update my NIC firmware by running the firmware update tool in a Windows guest VM? Just use VMDirectPath!! Not serious and I'm not surprised. VMware support has been very spotty lately.
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