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Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

We need more beer up here!
Had a pint of Left Hand smokejumper imperial porter at lunch and it was awesome. Not as smoky as I was expecting, but had a nice chocolatey roastiness and was balanced for being pretty high alcohol.

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Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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SUPER HASSLER posted:

Oh snap that's out now?! :jumps in car, drives to Longmont:

I suppose so, and did I forget to mention it was a cask. :smug:

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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Ubik posted:

According to the people I've asked in the brewery, there are no plans to do any Oatmeal Stout this year. Next year is a possibility, but nothing for sure yet. It's a shame, because Oatmeal Stout is my favorite of the regulars too.

Can you tell me if you guys brew the oatmeal stout for Trader Joe's? The internet tells me Goose Island used to brew the Stockyard Stout, and Trader Joe's still has it for sale under that name and it's really loving delicious. I'm just not sure if it's the same thing since I've never had a Goose Island oatmeal stout before.

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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Midorka posted:

Firestone Walker's Union Jack is really good, but it reminds me almost exactly of Nugget Nectar. Not that that's a bad thing, but I think they're very similar and I wouldn't be surprised if it was dang near the same recipe. I don't know if I could tell them apart in a blind tasting.

I've never had either of these beers but just out of curiosity I looked up their ingredients. Their malt bills aren't very similar, Troeg's uses no specialty malts and Firestone Walker's is a more traditional American IPA recipe. Troeg's uses 5 different hops while Firestone Walker's uses six different ones, but only 2 of the hops are used in both recipes. One of those 2 hops they share is only used as a bittering addition in the Firestone Walker beer, so you basically get no discernible flavor from it in a beer like this.

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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Midorka posted:

I'll gladly go and get my 4 pack of KBS at my leisure and enjoy them throughout the year(s), sucks to be the people who waited hours to get nothing. It's good being friends with beer managers so I don't have to worry about it. Speaking of beer managers I got a Pliny the Elder from one for nothing today other than being a loyal customer. It's a solid beer and I'm enjoying it, but I think I prefer sweeter IIPAs like Maharaja.

I mean honestly Pliny the Elder just tastes like Stone Ruination anyway, I have a sneaking suspicion they're actually the same recipe.

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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Midorka posted:

Yeah, pretty much. Cool post!

Did I mention I know a BEER MANAGER :awesome: suck it plebes, waiting in line for your beer you might actually be able to differentiate from other beers.

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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I get the cat piss smell from some IPAs that use both Columbus and Simcoe as aroma hops, most notably Sweetwater's IPA. It doesn't smell exactly like cat piss but it's very reminiscent of it.

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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Angry Grimace posted:

I'm completely shocked if there are any states that allow open containers.

In Alabama it's illegal, but it's a class C misdemeanor and carries a maximum $25 fine if you're caught with an open container. Therefore my band drinks in the van while driving through Alabama (not the driver, we're not complete idiots). I didn't know Mississippi had a similar law, I'm going to have to look that one up. Could make our trips to New Orleans even better.

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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funkybottoms posted:

Josh Wow, is Hop City in ATL worth going deep into the city, or will i be able to find the same poo poo in one of the Greens locations?

I have no idea, I've never been there. I live in Athens and don't make it down to Atlanta much, I hadn't even been to the Brickstore until two weeks ago. From what I've seen Green's has a drat good selection though, so you should be pretty well covered there.

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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The Dregs posted:

Tried a Dirty Bastard tonight. The waitress said it was a scotch ale, but I am pretty sure it was their porter. It was black as hell and ashtray-y. Not too bad, but a little heavy on the cigarette butt for me.

I picked up a Mc Chouffe brown ale tonight. I bought it on a whim, I know nothing about it. I'm confident I will like it, though. Being new to craft beers is exciting.

The WIFE and I are headed out to Red Hare brewery for a tour tomorrow, if we can get a sitter. My first beer tour.

If this was on draft they probably screwed up and brought you the porter by accident, I can definitely see someone thinking that beer tasted like an ashtray. Their Dirty Bastard is a Scottish ale which is definitely not black and is malty and sweet.

Let me know how Red Hare is, I've been thinking about heading down there for a brewery tour to check the place out even though I've never tried their beers since we don't get them in Athens.

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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Southhampton makes an awesome biere de garde, it's a seasonal though it should be out now. They call it a Biere de Mars but it's the same thing.

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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Can't get a beer in the Atlanta Airport til 9am. gently caress this poo poo.

Edit: Charlotte Airport succeeds in getting a beer in my face. Hoegarden because they're out of Sam Adams, it' pretty good and they didn't put fruit in it.

Josh Wow fucked around with this message at 13:40 on Mar 22, 2012

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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I just had a Lakefront Brewery biere de grade which was pretty drat good, nice and malty. Drinking an 08 Wake N Bake now and it has retained more coffee flavor than I've had from some 09 and even 10 Wake N Bake's I've had, they usually get super chocolatey.

Last night I had a terrible loving beer, something along the lines of Bomb! Craft Lager. I did have it out of the can since I was at a bar that's not great for beer, but if you've ever wanted to taste diacetyl this is the beer for you.

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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Midorka posted:

I wouldn't buy a 4 pack of Hopzilla, at least not with the intentions of drinking it now. It's incredibly sweet and incredibly citrus heavy. I got through it, but it was definitely borderline cloying and the citrus was overwhelming at times. I don't know if it will age well but I don't think many people, outside of the Shock Top group, could drink a 4 pack of it and be happy.

I've generally found that aging beers causes them to get sweeter over time since hops fade and that loses some of the balance to the beer. With that said you're the first person I've found to say Hopzilla is sweet. There's no crystal malt in it since it's 100% Maris otter, and it ferments down pretty low as well. It is pretty citrusy but only from the hops, which is a lot different than a Shock Top kind of flavor.

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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air- posted:

It's official- I'm moving to D.C.! So I will be roadtripping from Dallas sometime next week and I think I'll sidetrack to spend a day in Asheville, NC. If you had one day there, where would you go, what would you do?

I always like visiting breweries/brewpubs more than bars or bottle shops when I go places. Highland is a solid brewery that has a fun tour, it was my favorite actual tour out of all the places I went. Green Man had my favorite beer out of all the places I went, excellent cask IPA was on and they have complimentary pretzels with some killer mustard. Wedge was the most interesting place visually, somebody there does badass metal working and they're in a little art district. They have awesome barstools with giant springs under them, and the beer is pretty good

Places not to go: Craggie and L.A.B. Beer sucked at both places hard.

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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FreelanceSocialist posted:

If you think beer there sucked hard, I would hate to go to a tasting with you at the vast majority of small breweries. :rolleyes:

Not sure I get your point here since I recommended Wedge and Green Man as well, so I'm clearly not biased against small breweries. The beers I had at LAB were very bland and served way too cold. The guy who served me at Craggie worked there as a brewer and of the 3 beers I asked him about he didn't have a positive thing to say about any of them. The 2 beers I tried were pretty loving terrible so maybe I should commend him on his honesty but he should have at least pointed me to beers he thought were good rather than just making disparaging remarks about the ones I got.

Plus if somebody is asking for recommendations on places to go I'm going to tell them where i had bad experiences, I would expect people to do the same for me. I work at a small brewery, I know it's about more than just the beer but for consumers it basically is just about the beer. If you take a tour at my work you probably aren't going to meet the awesome people I work with or hear funny stories, you're going to drink the beer and take the same tour everybody else does so if those things suck there's no reason for you to come.

There's 2 breweries in Asheville I didn't much care for, but the beer wasn't bad it just wasn't really to my tastes. I didn't mention those places because I'm not gonna recommend something I didn't really enjoy but they're clearly not bad breweries.

Josh Wow fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Apr 2, 2012

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

We need more beer up here!
I'm pretty sure you can walk to Wedge, if I remember correctly it's only like a mile out of downtown. Pisgah is a 30ish minute drive though. Highland and French Broad are like 15-20 minues out of town. That Oyster Stout at the Lobster Trap somebody else recommended is fantastic as well.

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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FreelanceSocialist posted:

I just think LAB really isn't that bad. If you're doing dinner in Asheville, I recommend it. They've got decent beer, in my opinion. And if it comes out too cold? You can let it sit for a minute, you know.

Well next time just say that instead of being all 'well clearly you can't appreciate a small brewery' :smug:

Also there's no excuse for serving the beers as cold as LAB does. If I order a beer, eat my entire meal and the beer is still cold enough it's muting the taste of the beer that's too loving cold.

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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Was at the beer store and was looking through their canned section and saw something I couldn't pass up:



An 8 pack of Paulaner Hefeweizen cans for $7. Not the greatest beer in the world but definitely solid, especially for the price. Plus the cans are semi-tiny at 11.2 oz so it looks funny in your hand

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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Docjowles posted:

For some reason my local beer store always has certain German and British beers at absurd prices, well under $1/bottle. I've taken the bait a few times and (unless I was just trying to get drunk) regretted it, they're always old as hell and taste like it. Hope yours fare better!

Yea they were fine, at least as good as any other Paulaner I've had. I was kinda worried there wouldn't be any yeast at the bottom, but it was there.

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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When I was in high school and my early years of college I only drank super lovely beer and lovely liquor, generally gravitating towards liquor since it was easier to get a hold of and mixing it could mask the taste. Once I turned 21 in college I decided to start trying different beers, but the way the beer store that was 1 block from my apartment was set up the American section and the import section were on opposite sides of the store. Since the first beer I went to get was Red Stripe I totally missed the American section for quite a while. So the first non-poo poo beers I tried were Red Stripe, Newcastle, and Hobgoblin. Hobgoblin was definitely an eye opener, and it was my favorite beer for a while.

Just after I turned 21 I also joined the band I'm currently in, and started touring. I lived in SC at the time which had terrible laws, mainly a 6% ABV cap. The band I joined lived in Georgia and we toured to other states frequently and that's what really opened my eyes to craft beer. One of the first out of state tours we went on was to Florida, and all the dudes in the band were into good beer. We ended up at a World of Beer in Tampa, which has a huge mixed six pack section. They told me some things to buy and I bought a few things on my own. The two standouts of the mixed six were the Sierra Nevada Celebration and the Flying Dog Scottish Porter. I thought the Celebration was garbage and the Scottish Porter was amazing. This is what opened my eyes to how different beer could be and I started trying new beers weekly.

After that I started reading about beer online and trying different beers, and I found the American section of the beer store I frequented. It was still slow going for quite a while, I remember reading about IPAs online and deciding I should go try one and the only two selections I could get because of the ABV limit was Harpoon's IPA and Red Hook's Longhammer IPA. Luckily when I was 22 the ABV limit got raised and SC got a huge influx of good craft beers. Now that I think about it the Harpoon IPA may have been the only one I could get before the law got changed, I think the Longhammer IPA was the first one to come in after the ABV cap was raised.

The guitar player for the band I joined also homebrewed, and he got me started doing that. So the combo of new breweries coming into the state all the time and me making my own beer just completely snowballed into the obsession I have today. It's funny going back and revisiting the beers that got you into it now. Hobgoblin is really just an ok beer at best. I love Celebration now (although this year was kind of toned down hop-wise) and the last time I had the Flying Dog Scottish Porter I thought it was pretty bland.

Josh Wow fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Apr 9, 2012

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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Mikey Purp posted:

Lagers
Sunner Kolsch
Stoudt's Kolsch

Kolsches are ales, not lagers.

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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Coco13 posted:

(We all went to UW-Madison, so we take it very seriously.)

I'm gonna be in Madison for two weeks starting this Sunday, where should I go?

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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bengy81 posted:

or how many companies think its ok to ship out bottles with crooked or missing labels.

This used to bother me a lot before I started working at a brewery, but now that I work with a labeler I realize how incredibly fickle they can be. Our labeler at Terrapin is as ancient and lovely as they come. No matter how much we work on it (which is all the time) it always puts on every other label slightly crooked.

It also drops a lot of labels, and we lose some labels to our drop packer, so no matter how hard we try we're going to be sending out beer with lovely labels or no labels until we get a fancy new(er) one. So this is one area to cut smaller breweries some slack, cause they generally can't help it.

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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CYBER SLIMER posted:

Anyone at Dark Lord Day manage to get their hands on any Cigar City beer? Just curious what their thoughts were. Especially on Blueberry Muffin, my creation :)

I didn't go to DLD, but I was down in Tampa playing a show and now I'm in WI doing a training course for work with one of your packaging guys and I've had a ton of your beers in the last few days.

The table saison was good, just a hint of tartness which was really refreshing. Vanilla Maduro was alright but really strong on the vanilla, I prefer the coffee version. Tocabaga was excellent, as was the black lager. The Improv was my buddy's favorite beer by far, and I thought it was really solid as well. Apple brandy barrel aged Marshall Zhukov's was good but a little on the sweet side, I've never had the original so I don't have a frame of reference for it.

The double cream ale in tequila barrels with lime peel and cumin was surpisingly good. I don't think I could drink a whole pint of it but I was expecting it to taste like wet rear end. I would love to cook with it since the cumin and lime flavors are up front. The ESB and English Mild were both pretty average. The french pale ale was definitely the worst thing I tried, it tasted like it had spruce in it. Puppy's Breath was probably my favorite, it's really well balanced and you can't tell it's 8% at all.

I've been trying a bunch of new beers at this training course as well, too many to talk about every one. I had a really good India Pale Lager from Jack's Abby in MA. Alaskan Smoked Porter is loving amazing. Unibroue does almost no wrong except for Ephemere, that beer is rank. Here's a picture of about 1/8 of the beer at this course:


Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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Midorka posted:

Everyone keeps talking about a bubble bursting, but how? Are people going to suddenly start drinking less or go back to piss water? I mean the economy is loving atrocious as it is, things can't get much worse money-wise in the future, so why would it "burst?" There will always be room for good beer, even in the most saturated markets.

There's a shitton of breweries opening up, and they all aren't making good beer. There's only so much shelf space available out there as well. There will most likely come a point when a lot of these newly opened breweries will close because their beer is lovely, or they don't have the capital to expand like they need to or whatever.

3 years ago there were 3 craft breweries in Georgia. Right now there's 8 with two more I know of (supposedly) months from opening. There's still only 5 of those 8 with actual production facilities, the other 3 contract brew. Of the two (supposedly) about to open 1 will have a production facility and 1 will contract brew. I don't expect for all of these same breweries to still be around in 5 years.

I prefer to call it a shake out rather than a bubble bursting.

Josh Wow fucked around with this message at 23:25 on May 9, 2012

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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A while back Stella Artois was giving away free custom engraved chalices, and I finally got mine:

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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Lord help me I kind of agree with Midorka. I think Dale's is a bit too big and way too sweet for a pale ale. It's not really hop forward enough for me to consider it an IPA though, mostly because it's so goddamn sweet.

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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CalvinDooglas posted:

Left Hand has an almost fully automated brewing facility. I'm fairly certain they could brew and package the beer without the liquid touching air. I imagine without worrying about it depressurizing, they could just force "nitrate" it.

This isn't actually true on the packaging side, they run the same bottle filler we do at Terrapin and I'll just say it's not the most sophisticated piece of machinery out there.

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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Midorka posted:

I really do believe what I said, I can not think of one brewery that brews high profile fantastic brews that ships outside of their home state that doesn't distribute to Philly. Every high profile beer I've ever heard about either comes to Philly or it doesn't leave the state.

Roughly how many of those high profile beers that you have access to have a mouthfeel that reminds you of a blanket?

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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Midorka posted:

Oh hey maybe you can explain to me why Terrapin put a session beer in a 4 pack and is charging $9-$10 for it.

"Who are the ad wizards who came up with this one?"

Our sales department.

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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Harminoff posted:

Wow just went to the grocery store and decided to check some dates. They had some Two Hearted Ale with a bottle date of 11/11 Feel bad for whoever grabs that.

I just had a 9 month old Two Hearted at a restaurant and it was fine. Even hoppy beers are fine after a while if they were packaged well. Not as good as fresh but still pretty drat good

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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FreelanceSocialist posted:

pasteurization stuff

In the US and Canada tunnel pasteurization is still widely used in the beer industry. I believe it's just because people got it in their heads that heating the beer up and cooling it super quickly is worse for it than doing it gradually, which I don't really think is the case. Plus tunnel pasteurization really stresses your bottles and you can have real problems with them exploding in your pasteurizer, or even after they've left it.

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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Midorka posted:

I'd rather drink Gatorade or something else than a low alcohol beer that's not getting me drunk, at least I'm drinking something that's re-hydrating me.

This is what beer is all about, if it doesn't get you drunk then what's the point?

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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Wizbro posted:

Any northern goons got some suggestions for poo poo I can try out?

I'm not Canadian but I thought Sleeman's Cream Ale and Honey Brown Lager were pretty good when I had them.

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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Jack Skeleton posted:

I ended up picking up a Boatswain Double IPA and Boatswain American IPA from Trader Joe's. Seems to be Rhinelander/Minhasbrewery's double IPA. For $1.99, I guess you can't go wrong.

Boatswain has a beer at TJ's named HLV ale and goddamn if it doesn't look like it says HIV on the label. I had their IPA and thought it was pretty bad. The Mission Street stuff is great as is the Stockyard oatmeal stout. The Simpler Times pilsener is an excellent example of diacetyl.

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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We do a pumpkin beer and use canned pumpkin puree in the mash, and spices in the whirlpool/boil.

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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Munkaboo posted:

I very much enjoyed Good Gourd... wait sorry, you're the Terrapin fellow. What's yours called again?

Pumpkinfest. I think it's ok and I think Dogfish Head's Punkin is ok. I thought Cottonwood's pumpkin beer was pretty good. Those are the only ones I've had that I thought were decent, but I don't seek out pumpkin beers either.

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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Lazy Magnolia makes a pecan nut brown that's pretty drat good, it's the only good nut beer I can think of.

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Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

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1554 is delicious, but I don't think of it as a schwarzbier. My favorite schwarzbiers are from Ayinger and Monschof, although I do enjoy Shiner's and Duck Rabbit's as well.

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