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the black husserl posted:I think it's way more likely that NMA will be crying about their character being hidden away on a corner of the map rather than us crying about it being an essential part of the game. I do think Tim Schafer and Wasteland 2 can make/break this model right now depending on how development goes on these/time it takes/etc to keep the steam going for it.
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If you have 10 Luck and the Explorer perk, you have a small chance of a special encounter where you find the ruins of the inXile building in which you will find a list of the people who contributed enough to be in the game and a safe containing the exact amount of money the kickstarter raised.
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Mar 20, 2012 01:27
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the black husserl posted:I think it's way more likely that NMA will be crying about their character being hidden away on a corner of the map rather than us crying about it being an essential part of the game. Apparently Brother None has been in private communication with Brian Fargo, who has already made an extension for NMA (the location/item/NPC tier at 1k was already filled). If it were like the bar of broken dreams in FO2 I wouldn't care, but I'm honestly not sure. Like Boiled Water says, the bulk of it would be FO2-style Easter-Egg content, but the number of donors makes it a disproportionately large amount of fan-generated content.
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Mar 20, 2012 01:30
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DemonNick posted:Apparently Brother None has been in private communication with Brian Fargo, who has already made an extension for NMA (the location/item/NPC tier at 1k was already filled). It's not fan generated though, it's named after a fan. If NMA successfully get a bar named after them in the game, then a) they have made a special deal that the other 100 pledges didn't get and b) they don't get to design the building and put quests and NPCs inside it. Also, considering how gamers will buy the same AAA turds every year, while screaming "never again", I don't think any number of outright failures could sink `crowdsourcing'.
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Mar 20, 2012 05:10
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Mar 20, 2012 05:26
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Jesto posted:So Kickstarter got over $150,000 of the pie raised for Double Fine Adventure. That seems like a bit much. Or, I wonder if they cap it at $1,000 or something? I love Kickstarter. I love when good projects get funded, and I love when terrible projects fail. The best place to look is RECENTLY LAUNCHED. An endless waterfall of great and terrible projects will flow down your computer screen. Everything from Burning Man floats to DeviantArt Mangas to Bejeweled knockoffs to Smackjeeves webcomics. Someone said that it's disingenuous for a for-profit developer to use this site. I have to point this out: Kickstarter is not a charity website. Charity and donations are AGAINST their TOS. They are a site for funding projects, period. Businesses use the site all the time. Keep in mind that the money for games comes from somewhere; either a developer "begs for money" from the internet or they "beg for money" from a publisher. There's honestly no difference to me. Kickstarter may be a middleman but it is a middleman that eliminates middlemen. It gives people a venue to pitch directly to the consumer, rather than hope to get lucky with a publisher only to have it be twisted in a completely different idea. There are no figurative bootstraps here. Anyway, people are not idiots, and that's the big thing. If Ubisoft tried to fund something through Kickstarter, people wouldn't fund it. However, if the creator of Beyond Good & Evil pitched BG&E2 to Kickstarter as an independent project, people would flock to it, even though the original was an Ubisoft title. It's all about connecting with the audience. This site's been running for a few years now and many game projects have been funded. Doublefine managed to create a brand new tier of success, but there's been plenty of success in the past, respectable success on its own level. Have some people taken the money and ran? It happens on occasion. Don't go in with your eyes closed and your hands over your ears, that's all. The majority of projects do not end up being a dine & dash, for what it's worth. The projects that succeed the most are music and comics projects, which are almost always nothing more than pre-orders for content that already exists or will be made no matter what. That's not really possible with a game, but I have seen games projects opt donators into betas and get hands on with the product while it's in development, and those projects seem to get funded more often than the "I promise this'll get made, all I need is to hire a bunch of people to actually make it because i'm just the idea guy" project or the "this game will allow you to literally be god in real life. You will develop super powers by playing this game, also free pizza for everyone in the world" project. Last thought before I go to sleep; if I had a nickel for every Kickstarter project that offered $5000 for a Producer credit and $10,000 for an Executive Producer credit........... I'd be an executive producer. If you are a developer and you're reading this thread, please stop doing this. Just stop it. And stop offering to fly to people's houses you loving creeps. You just stay at your house and make your little project alright. The 7th Guest fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Mar 20, 2012 |
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Mar 20, 2012 05:40
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If only Shenmue 3 could be funded via this method. 
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No love yet for Auditorium 2: Duet? It is a sequel to Auditorium, a cool little music game. You control the flow of energy to make music. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/761471459/auditorium-2-duet
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gmq posted:The problem about Kickstarter for video games is that you have to wait years to get a tangible result, unlike designing and manufacturing a watch or iPhone case. I doubt the interest in these projects will last much longer, at least until the first funded game gets released. Meantime, you've got a project like FTL which has already run a fair bit of its own race and is expected to release this year. I guess it's a lot like picking a game to buy: You have to do your homework. Jesto posted:So Kickstarter got over $150,000 of the pie raised for Double Fine Adventure. That seems like a bit much. Or, I wonder if they cap it at $1,000 or something? As well, the games that are going to use digital distribution will get to pocket most of the post-release sales. So, Kickstarter takes a relatively modest amount of the pre-development pledges, you get to make the game that you want, and you get to keep most of your retail sales. That's huge compared to what companies like Obsidian go through. Kickstarter is never going to produce a game with Modern Warfare's production values, but it's better than the alternative of having to suffer through a dozen more Modern Warfares
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ghouldaddy07 posted:If only Shenmue 3 could be funded via this method. I don't know if they could get the $100 million necessary.
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Mar 20, 2012 06:45
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:I don't know if they could get the $100 million necessary. At this point I think Sega might have better luck with a Kickstarter saying they'll close up shop and never make another game for $100 million.
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Quest For Glory II posted:Someone said that it's disingenuous for a for-profit developer to use this site. I have to point this out: Kickstarter is not a charity website. Charity and donations are AGAINST their TOS. They are a site for funding projects, period. Businesses use the site all the time. Keep in mind that the money for games comes from somewhere; either a developer "begs for money" from the internet or they "beg for money" from a publisher. There's honestly no difference to me. Kickstarter may be a middleman but it is a middleman that eliminates middlemen. It gives people a venue to pitch directly to the consumer, rather than hope to get lucky with a publisher only to have it be twisted in a completely different idea. There are no figurative bootstraps here. Actually there is a rather major difference between Kickstarter and publisher or venture funding. In traditional funding, the entity funding the project gets a cut of the profits. While I consider donating to Kickstarter the same as preordering a product that doesn't exist yet, I can see how others might liken it to charity since there is no return on the investment.
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Mar 20, 2012 06:53
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Dbhjed posted:No love yet for Auditorium 2: Duet? It is a sequel to Auditorium, a cool little music game. You control the flow of energy to make music.
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Mar 20, 2012 06:58
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WhiteHowler posted:Ten days to go, and they're only about halfway to their goal. The original is a really great game, and the co-op play in the new one looks very fun. I hope some goons will jump on this. For what it's worth, I threw some money into it. It seems pretty cool to me.
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WhiteHowler posted:Ten days to go, and they're only about halfway to their goal. The original is a really great game, and the co-op play in the new one looks very fun. I hope some goons will jump on this. It must be really depressing for them to see DoubleFine and Wasteland 2 blow past them a few hours after opening, while they have been at it for I think 50 days and only half way there, and have a very modest budget of 60k
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What's stopping me from getting funding then just not finishing the game? This is the one thing I can't figure out.
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:What's stopping me from getting funding then just not finishing the game? This is the one thing I can't figure out. Nothing. The entire system is built on good faith. You have to pick and choose who to back based on the perceived legitimacy of their project, or their dedication to seeing it through. You can reasonably expect Double Fine to follow through because if they don't, their reputation will be ruined and their business will be destroyed. Joe Shmo wanting a million dollars for a dream MMO isn't very trustworthy and probably shouldn't be backed. The system sort of works because they only get money if a project is fully funded. If your project looks sketchy, chances are the masses will realize this and not back you. A handful of gullible people might but they lose out on nothing because everyone else is smart enough. At least, that's how it's worked so far. Now that it's going mainstream as a source to fund fairly expensive game projects, who knows how this will turn out. I trust the big projects so far, but eventually a bad seed will come along. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 07:09 on Mar 20, 2012 |
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DemonNick posted:If I can be honest, I'm kind of concerned about Wasteland 2. This is my biggest concern too. But on the positive side, there are only 20 people eligible for the unique item so far. I doubt there will be much more of 2.5k+ pledges so we probably don't have to worry about the wasteland being cluttered with dragon dildos from the internet. I think future kickstarters could go much lighter on the reward side. If people want your game, they will donate whether or not they get a statue or whatever else stupid in the game. Also, all those figurines, survival kits and other reward stuff can get expensive to make, so it's kind of counterproductive to offer them.
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I'm so happy for Tim and everyone and I backed Double Fine because at the end of the day, more than anyone else I believe that the talented folks at that company would be more than capable of making full benefit of the money they've been given in order to make a fantastic game. They've created games like Monkey Island and Day of the Tentacle on much smaller budgets and they have a real passion for their work, so it seems like a safe bet. However I can't help but feel extremely annoyed at the amount of developers jumping onto using Kickstarter. The Wasteland 2 one I didn't mind so much because it sounded like something they really wanted to do, but then I hear bullshit like people wanting to develop Baldurs Gate 3 using Kickstarter and no no no this is completely stupid. Until Kickstarter has proven itself to be a service where it's worth backing developers, that you'd get a product that has just as much if not MORE effort for your money than if you let a big name publisher take care of the deal, then it's just not worth putting your money behind a company. In Double Fine's case, Tim himself said he was overwhelmed by the response but fully believes that the circumstances in which it generated so much money was so incredibly specific, being a brand of customer loyalty and appreciation of a niche genre, that it's honestly not a great idea for devs to be using it as their main source of funding. More than anything, having tons of would-be developers and big name titles in the service just devalues Kickstarter. It feels like a service that's supposed to help people who literally would have no other chance to develop a game, or the costs would be too prohibitive to risk releasing the final product. That said, if Frédérick Raynal would like money to help make Little Big Adventure 3 then I'll gladly help out 
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The fact that no one gets anything if the kickstarter doesn't reach its goal seems to provide some small immunity from someone taking the money and running. If they fool even one less person than they need to raise their goal then the scam is a complete failure.
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You have to be operating in the US to be listed on Kickstarter I think, and they have your banking information, real name, etc. What are you going to argue? "Oh no judge, this happened on the internet, you can't form a contract on the internet."
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Seashell Salesman posted:You have to be operating in the US to be listed on Kickstarter I think, and they have your banking information, real name, etc. What are you going to argue? "Oh no judge, this happened on the internet, you can't form a contract on the internet." There is no contract formed. As far as I know, they aren't under an actual obligation to deliver you a product. A person can't be sued if a project doesn't pan out. There have been multiple kickstarters that got fully funded but didn't deliver, just not on the same scale as the current big game projects. The backers are just SOL. edit: It's not a game, but it's gaming related: Idle Thumbs Video Game Podcast. The funniest, most insightful, and all around best gaming podcast ever is back, in kickstarter form. They've already been up for almost a month and are well over-funded, but more funding means more security for Chris Remo and whatever his mysterious plans are. Only 44 hours left as of now! This should perhaps be added to the OP? Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 07:27 on Mar 20, 2012 |
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They claim on their individual kickstarter page that they will create a thing, then they take money from kickstarter. Taking money from kickstarter constitutes consideration as far as I can tell.
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Mar 20, 2012 07:32
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Has Tim Schaefer even said what genre or style this kickstarter game(Which I DID donate for, making this question even more amusing to me) is going to be?
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People talk a lot about kickstarter fatigue but I think there's a greater case for kickstarter momentum. Donating to the Wasteland kickstarter isn't going to prevent me or anyone else from donating to an Obsidian kickstarter or something else, it's just going to make it more likely that people will be aware of the project because they've already backed something on kickstarter.
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rotinaj posted:Has Tim Schaefer even said what genre or style this kickstarter game(Which I DID donate for, making this question even more amusing to me) is going to be? Yeah its a hidden object game.
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Seashell Salesman posted:They claim on their individual kickstarter page that they will create a thing, then they take money from kickstarter. Taking money from kickstarter constitutes consideration as far as I can tell. According to your language, even if there were a contract Kickstarter would have to sue them, not individuals. And Kickstarter has no reason to.
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rotinaj posted:Has Tim Schaefer even said what genre or style this kickstarter game(Which I DID donate for, making this question even more amusing to me) is going to be? You should take the time to actually read the kickstarter page and watch the video that's there!  http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/66710809/double-fine-adventure Hint - it's in the very first line of the page.
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emoticon posted:According to your language, even if there were a contract Kickstarter would have to sue them, not individuals. And Kickstarter has no reason to. If I pay someone via an escrow (like, say a law firm) for a service, then the escrow doesn't become party to the contract. This is how movies and all kinds of things are financed AFAIK. Long, long before Kickstarter was even conceived of people were conditionally funding projects "only if the target funding is reached." e: bizarre grammatical mistake. Seashell Salesman fucked around with this message at 08:04 on Mar 20, 2012 |
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Songbearer posted:However I can't help but feel extremely annoyed at the amount of developers jumping onto using Kickstarter. The Wasteland 2 one I didn't mind so much because it sounded like something they really wanted to do, but then I hear bullshit like people wanting to develop Baldurs Gate 3 using Kickstarter and no no no this is completely stupid.
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Seashell Salesman posted:If I pay someone via an escrow (like, say a law firm) for a service, then the escrow doesn't become party to the contract. This is how movies and all kinds of things are financed AFAIK. Long, long before Kickstarter was even conceived of people were conditionally funding projects "only if someone the target funding is reached." You're right. According to the Kickstarter TOS, they are not a party to any disputes between users and creators. So if Doublefine doesn't deliver, people can try suing them, I guess.
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Awh, nobody mentioned my favorite - The Arkh Project! http://www.indiegogo.com/The-Arkh-Project http://thearkhproject.tumblr.com/ As it stands, this is the most awful, horiffic scam ever, by a terrible person taking advantage of the lack of minority representation in videogames. Wanna read their design document? http://thearkhproject.wikispaces.com/file/detail/gddedit.doc Let me, uh, pick some choice quotes. quote:Chop Down Plants and Trees to Find Crafting Items That's... not how a design doc works. quote:Victory Conditions Wait, what? Perfect completion? All items? Jeepers.
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They plan to pay multiple programmers a total of $40,000 for 10 months work? No part of that sentence makes sense.
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To be honest I didn't think that design document was too bad until haaaaahahaha they want a hundred grand for that?
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'You win when you reach the end of the game' isn't really communicating anything. It's like saying 'To be good at baseball you just have to hit a lot of home runs.' Also, 'A game with a lot of gays and minorities' isn't exactly sound footing to start off on and it's scarcely better than the tokenism they're decrying. It's pandering. Come up with a game people want to play first (which seems to be something they're hardly paying attention to), then worry about that kind of what kind of characters will inhabit the world.
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Don't forget this loving thing, which I believe was posted to their tumblr (though it looks like they took it down)
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TOOT BOOT posted:Also, 'A game with a lot of gays and minorities' isn't exactly sound footing to start off on and it's scarcely better than the tokenism they're decrying. It's pandering. Come up with a game people want to play first (which seems to be something they're hardly paying attention to), then worry about that kind of what kind of characters will inhabit the world. Well, I can see someone going for a realistic metric (the statistic that's thrown around is that about 10% of people on earth are gay, probably 1% of the characters in a game which features a gay character are gay). Yeah it does sound pandery though. The big issue I see with the whole crowdsourcing thing is that it's not really letting people actually invest in a game. I mean if you're going to pay ten bucks and essentially get a 20 dollar game 50% off if it come out, that's cool if you're pretty excited about the concept of the game but I really think these things would do a lot better if people could actually get money back out at higher levels of investment. Obviously there's people evidently willing to pony up $1K+ for lunch with a devloper or whatever, but why not see if you can get a guy who would normally only pony up 10 bucks to pony up 100 if he'll eventually get 150 back if the game hits a certain profitability threshold? You'd also probably get more large sum pledges since there's more people who would justify making an (admittedly not very lucrative) investment because they're excited about/fairly confident about a game than there are people who have the money to essentially gift money to game developers they're already fans of. A Stupid Baby fucked around with this message at 09:07 on Mar 20, 2012 |
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Hakkesshu posted:Don't forget this loving thing, which I believe was posted to their tumblr (though it looks like they took it down) Where's that huge psyduck gif that shoots more psyducks out of its eyes? Because goddamn I don't have words for this
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Fewd posted:Where's that huge psyduck gif that shoots more psyducks out of its eyes? Because goddamn I don't have words for this If it helps that was actually made on reddit as a joke apparently. The designers just don't get sarcasm and thought it was genuinely supportive.
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Hakkesshu posted:Don't forget this loving thing, which I believe was posted to their tumblr (though it looks like they took it down) I know this is a reddit joke, but it just goes to show how important a good story and vision for a game is. Everyone knows double-fine (and Ron Gilbert) know their stuff when it comes to story - especially story with a big heart beating inside it. Hell, I'm sure they could even do a great story with a gay central character if they put their heads to it. Meanwhile on the right, we get a proposed project that sounds like a lumping together of a bunch of weird rear end empty pandering ideas with nothing behind them other than the weird rear end empty pandering ideas. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 09:50 on Mar 20, 2012 |
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