Chas McGill posted:

'Shock games have more mindshare

Zaphod42 posted:

Because Looking Glass and Irrational no longer exist

The people with the rights would have to be involved and they'd rather do other things.

(Ken pretty much just finished making System Shock 4)

Great Joe posted:

hey, obsidian? yeah, it's sega, yeaaaahhhhhhhhhh im gonna need you to make alpha protocol more rpg-ish. yeah no, don't let the player use a pistol like they would in an fps from the get-go, lock that behind a big experience point gate. also if you dont do this were shutting you down, okay? thaaaaaaaaaanks

-an actual thing that happened

Basic Chunnel posted:

It definitely happened - it might have been a producer or someone like that who said it, but it was apparent that SEGA wasn't paying for QA during the several month delay they imposed. Because iirc it wasn't delayed because they felt it needed work, they delayed it because its original release date was in the middle of some stiff competition. I still think that AP's combat would have been at least marginally better received had it come out before Mass Effect 2. It was an unfavorable comparison.

It doesn't make a ton of sense until you consider that SEGA wasn't and isn't particularly good with its money. Also considering some of the stories about its development it was probably the case that they had given up on the game and didn't consider that money for QA would have been well spent. When I asked Avellone about what he'd do differently he said "get it right the first time", because the AP we got was its third version. The only development that I can recall comparing to that is Duke Nukem Forever, or possibly the canceled Black Isle Fallout 3, which was dropped and picked up again from scratch at least once.

BoredMarc posted:

Or there is what you are suggesting which is that he is putting on an elaborate ruse of being passionate about videogames,

Renoistic posted:

Some of my favorite games (the Max Payne games, Platinum Studio's games) are really short. I just don't pay full price for them (usually). And I of course replay them a bunch of times, even if I wouldn't dream of playing the same game for hundreds of hours.

CommissarMega posted:

...I actually want to back this. This lets me date a T-34, even an IS-2, I have to back this. I don't care if they're in girl form, I don't care that it's a shittier Kancolle.

Alien Rope Burn posted:

Really, I don't know if I'm more annoyed that it's a dumb mecha musume thing (as they all are, mind) or that it's the laziest attempt at mecha musume I've ever seen.

Skoll posted:

Guy, I honestly don't care. You're the one getting super combative that people would dare give Julian Gollop money for an XCOM successor that sounds like a mix of Event Horizon and Silent Hill.

ImpAtom posted:

Julian Gollop was able to make a reasonably fun and playable XCOM clone on the frigging GBA. He's probably at least earned some benefit of the doubt.

Chairchucker posted:

I think an XCOM clone is more likely to be good when it's made by the guy who made XCOM, though.

Not wild on the FIG exclusive items they've got.

Doggles posted:

A perfect excuse to trot Kologeon back out.

What it looked like while accepting donations:



What it turned into after the devs got their money:




The update announcing the change basically boiled down to, "we used gameplay from the game you wanted us to make, to get the funds for the game we wanted to make."

No new updates since the bait and switch nearly 5 months ago.

No Gravitas posted:

So far it seems that the things I was most excited for are getting gutted. Ah well.

Foo Diddley posted:

It's not that they have no programmers, it's that they don't have any programmers legendary enough to share a yearbook page with Trystan Snodgrass


Why the Ashes of Creation referral program is NOT a pyramid scheme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84EevAKfeqA

Now I'm no marketer, but it seems to me that explaining very carefully to people why your project is not a scam would have the opposite effect that you intended

ImpAtom posted:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/615312068/deadly-premonition-the-board-game

Not... what I would have imagined getting a board game adaptation.

Random Stranger posted:

Looking at it, I'm dubious. It's not what I'd want thematically from a Deadly Premonition game, but we can set that aside for the moment. It looks like a lot of the mechanics are a simple back-and-forth, take-that response. I'm really not clear why they have a hidden identity mechanic other than those are popular lately. With only two to four players, using it just as an early victory mechanic for guessing that the other player is the killer feels pointless. Also it appears that the game is extremely random with little in the way of strategic options.

Getting back to the thematic aspect of things, I know that what I'd want in a Deadly Premonition board game would be deduction: there doesn't seem to actually be a mystery to solve in the game, the suspects appear to act more as points where you're trying to get all of the ones dealt to you eliminated. And I'd want the investigation to get sidetracked with silly minutia where players have to deal with something else before they can get a clue. And those quirky sidewise bits don't seem to be reflected in the board game either (I'm sure there will be cards that reference things but not actual gameplay aspects).

Litany Unheard posted:

creators have never made a boardgame

Litany Unheard posted:

If their pitch doesn't include a list of the things they've already made, then it's not a guess. It will be bad. Every jackass on the planet thinks they can make a boardgame just because they've played a bunch of Settlers of Catan, but it's actually really really complicated. For the video game version go back a page or two where everyone is mocking the MMO being made by QA and PR people.

Also there's no actual gameplay shown of a game they've presumably been working on and playtesting for a year. No print and play option for backers, either. In the video game world it's the indie Kickstarter without a gameplay demo.

Anything else would just be reiterating what Random Stranger said.

Yodzilla posted:

Won't someone please help Namco kickstart a new Pac-Man game?? http://gamemeetsart.com/

Yodzilla posted:

What are you talking about there was a Katamari game released last year https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tap-my-katamari-endless-cosmic-clicker/id1055397979?mt=8

Count Uvula posted:

Dredmor made a shitload of money, which is why it took them like 5 years to close shop making very little money from CE and paying for the livelihoods of 3+ people

Mr Underhill posted:

The Moon Monster posted:

I don't understand why people make bad games when they could instead make good games. It simply doesn't make sense. Why did George Romero decide to make Daikatana bad instead of good? We may never know.

DoctorTristan posted:

That looks as bad as the Tetsuya Nomura Batman.

StrixNebulosa posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uMePkH8oX0

Phoenix Point has two days left.

JazzFlight posted:

Well, at least you still have 9 hrs to drop out.

Obsurveyor posted:

Automatic return fire is definitely a thing in the original X-Com. If you left enough time units they would automatically return fire or shoot at movement.

Obsurveyor posted:

I'm not watching a 9 minute video to pick out whatever thing you're about and apparently can't describe properly, I was responding to what was written.

Fangz posted:

Jeez, let the guy who created XCOM try and innovate a bit? Before you were all "I know XCOM clones have had a questionable track record" but now it's "wait it's doing something different??? CANCEL!"

Fangz posted:

Please tell me why what he showed does that.

Foglet posted:

Neither were two-action turns or mission timers or grappling hooks or huge awesome stompy robbits on your team.

fake edit: Or reptilian mammaries, for that matter.

Fangz posted:

It provides an use for the locational damage mechanic, and complicates target prioritisation. You'll note that return fire is triggered not from just the bad guy shot at, but *all enemies in LOS with a particular weapon*. So this opens up strategies like using the sniper to disarm enemies before hand, or using a smoke grenade to block off LOS and isolate enemies before you open up. It avoids the XCOM2 issue where you end up trying to maximise your burst damage and so avoid the AI ever getting a chance to act. It might also feed off the evolution/mutation system - for example, the aliens might not start with this ability, but instead gain it/get it strengthened over the course of the campaign, which varies up the challenge.

Wicked Them Beats posted:

Visually/presentationally, automatic return fire more accurately represents an actual battlefield and exchanges of fire in a way that a strictly turn-based representation does not.

Fangz posted:

XCOM's disarming shot and smoke grenades were pretty lousy because it's always preferable to kill an enemy, and it's too unpredictable whether your smoke would actually help at all because the enemy can just choose to not shoot the guys in smoke. I just don't see why there's a problem here. There *are* still ways to not get shot, but it just becomes trickier, and you get an alternative strategy created where you can intentionally take more damage to deal it more quickly, at the risk of getting your guys closer to being killed if you miscalculate. You really aren't saying anything here other than "it's bad".

Fangz posted:

I mean, heck, for all we know those enemy gunners get their return fire because they went into overwatch. (XCOM2 also gives one class Free Overwatch as an optional ability also.... Also introduces MECs and Turrets, both of whom get to shoot, then go into overwatch. Heck in XCOM:EU you get the Berserkers, who get a free move action every time you attack them, while ethereals get that damage reflect.)

SupSuper posted:

I think it's still too early to judge. The video was clearly designed to focus on the more exciting systems (boss aliens, targeted parts), without any RNG bullshit and the like. There's probably more stuff to come and they haven't had time to take action on all the feedback they've been gathering during and before the campaign (like how a lot of people would rather it be more oldCOM than newCOM).

As for the return fire, it could go either way. Yes, in the original X-COM any unit with TUs left had a chance to reaction to any action, which was reworked into "overwatch" for new XCOM, so this isn't too different. There might be other chances that aren't implemented yet so it isn't always guaranteed damage, plus most of the aliens will likely be melee-focused.
Also, stuff like cover, distance, etc, seems to mitigate damage now instead of aim (maybe this will finally make cover useful!) so soldiers in very safe positions will probably take little to no damage. This encourages you to not stay out in the open, unlike new XCOM where you could afford to as long as you made sure the alien wouldn't be around for a counterattack.

I do like how there seems to be a mixed reaction with the game "borrowing too much" or "differing too much" from XCOM, the clone cycle never changes.

Fangz posted:

adding in mechanics at the last minute and making them optional sure is a way to make good games

SupSuper posted:

Edit: Making mechanics "optional" is what got us in the real-time/turn-based Apocalypse mess, please don't wish that on any developer.

DatonKallandor posted:

random forum screechers should design games

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

Q: So return fire is a speciality that will have to be acquired?
JG: Yes.

Enjoy the link if you want all kinds of good info on Phoenix Point:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PhoenixPoint/comments/6fpzoo/questions_and_answers_from_julian_during/

Digirat posted:

You couldn't sell me a game that's supposed to be similar to XCOM any harder than by telling me there's no miss chances or other RNG bullshit. My favorite turn based game (and one of the only ones I liked for the gameplay itself) is advance wars days of ruin, due in no small part to the fact that virtually everything is deterministic. If you shoot a bomber with an AA unit you know what will happen, which includes the fact that you will suffer some return damage because that always happens, and this consistency in damage done and returned allows the devs to precision balance the game and dissuade cheesy strategies. How well you're doing at the end of your turn actually reflects how well you played, and not whether or not you were lucky. There's nothing I hate more than a dice roll deciding to sometimes punish me for making a strategically sound move.

Digirat posted:

I have not played it

Digirat posted:

I remember being interested in the concept when it came out, but feeling like it would probably be an extremely stressful game to actually play (against other people at least). Having to guess what the other player will do, then guess whether they've guessed that you've guessed it, and so on forever

Good Dumplings posted:

I finally looked up what the gently caress the thread title is about and you don't even get an emoji, you get a pledge for an emoji

legitimately made me laugh

Fangz posted:

In that post I was just referencing the thread title.

Bruceski posted:

The thread title's been kicking around in various forms for a while, I think this one's from the Confederate Express debacle.